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Post by duncan on Apr 9, 2018 8:48:16 GMT
I know nobody takes them seriously - I was being facetious.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:54:24 GMT
Nothing, its officially the moment the Oliviers died. Jonathan Groff was nominated for a Tony for the same role. Tracie Bennett is probably not in 'Follies' for much longer than Michael Jibson is she? And the Oliviers died years ago, no-one really takes them seriously. Chillax. Neither Jonathan Groff nor Tracie Bennett won though, so this is a very flawed comparison. Honestly they should have both nominated and awarded Peter Forbes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 9:06:40 GMT
Jonathan Groff was nominated for a Tony for the same role. Tracie Bennett is probably not in 'Follies' for much longer than Michael Jibson is she? And the Oliviers died years ago, no-one really takes them seriously. Chillax. Neither Jonathan Groff nor Tracie Bennett won though, so this is a very flawed comparison. Honestly they should have both nominated and awarded Peter Forbes. Fairy Nuff. To be fair none of the Hamilton cast should have been nominated anyway so if someone's going to win from there, it may as well be the big scene stealer of the show, no matter how small the role. Anyway, I thought he was the best one in it really so I don't mind him winning so much, I just thank God the Oliviers saw a tiny bit of sense and ignored Rachel John. Now that's a vanilla performance in a nothing role.
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Post by ellie1981 on Apr 9, 2018 9:20:04 GMT
Watching the Oliviers last night I realised I saw the covers for King George and Aaron Burr at the matinee on Saturday - I only glanced at the cast board when I arrived to see if Jamael and Rachel were on. After the opening Olivier number I was so much more impressed with the guy I saw on Saturday, yes ok Giles won his category so I’m sure is better in the show, but on Saturday there was a commanding power in the cover - does anyone know who it would have been please? Also King George... very funny part but I can’t see what Michael Jibson does with the role to make it a winner over the other nominees?! What am I missing? Yes, I have seen Giles three times and Sifiso Mazibuko once. I was far more impressed with Sifiso.
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Post by showoff on Apr 9, 2018 10:08:59 GMT
Also King George... very funny part but I can’t see what Michael Jibson does with the role to make it a winner over the other nominees?! What am I missing? I'm not sure, but I'm missing it too. When I went, to be blunt, he was utterly out of tune. I found it so bad that I was looking around to see if anyone else was noticing it.I find it quite bemusing that he actually won. To me he was butchering the part. The ridiculous thing being that Obioma Ugoala was by far the best thing on that stage, and they awarded three supporting nominations to Hamilton, yet not one to the most deserving (in my opinion).
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Post by wickedgrin on Apr 9, 2018 12:03:56 GMT
And the Oliviers died years ago, no-one really takes them seriously. Chillax. Personally I agree, but within the industry (along with the BAFTAS) they are the most prestigious awards and highly coveted. Actors aren't too bothered about the Soap Awards etc. but to be an Olivier nominee or winner still has clout. Witness the gutted faces of the losers! I also think that if you are lucky enough to be in a "hit" show such as Hamilton or Harry Potter (last year) you get nominated regardless almost. I personally don't think any of the performances in Hamilton deserved nomination.
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Post by squidward on Apr 9, 2018 13:11:14 GMT
Watching the Oliviers last night I realised I saw the covers for King George and Aaron Burr at the matinee on Saturday - I only glanced at the cast board when I arrived to see if Jamael and Rachel were on. After the opening Olivier number I was so much more impressed with the guy I saw on Saturday, yes ok Giles won his category so I’m sure is better in the show, but on Saturday there was a commanding power in the cover - does anyone know who it would have been please? Also King George... very funny part but I can’t see what Michael Jibson does with the role to make it a winner over the other nominees?! What am I missing?
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Post by squidward on Apr 9, 2018 13:29:38 GMT
Watching the Oliviers last night I realised I saw the covers for King George and Aaron Burr at the matinee on Saturday - I only glanced at the cast board when I arrived to see if Jamael and Rachel were on. After the opening Olivier number I was so much more impressed with the guy I saw on Saturday, yes ok Giles won his category so I’m sure is better in the show, but on Saturday there was a commanding power in the cover - does anyone know who it would have been please? Also King George... very funny part but I can’t see what Michael Jibson does with the role to make it a winner over the other nominees?! What am I missing? I totally agree about Michael Jibson, especially having beaten Cleve September. The King is a showier part I guess, but it’s a novelty act as opposed to Laurens and Philip, both of which we’re exquisitely played by CS in my opinion. I know I’m in the minority on this one, but I thought to have Jamael Weston nominated as Best Actor in a musical in the first place was highly questionable. In my humble opinion, he’s got a very long way to go before he gets to that stage. And finally, Catherine Tate. Whoever made the choice to have her host the event should hang their head(s) in shame. Same for whoever wrote her script (probably her) and chose her dress (ditto). If the Olivier organisers want the awards to be taken seriously, to undermine it with a clapped out, vulgar and inept host was a major mistep.
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Post by singularsensation10 on Apr 9, 2018 14:11:26 GMT
Waaaait.... Hamilton won best sound design?!?! Well now we know there’s no actual judgement behind the choosing of the winners, all of the nominees must be placed into a hat and picked out at random because seriously. Hamilton. Winning best sound design. Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 14:11:40 GMT
Same for whoever wrote her script (probably her) and chose her dress (ditto). I thought Catherine Tate looked pretty fabulous myself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 14:22:55 GMT
So it won Musical, Actor, Supporting Actor, Choreography, Lighting, Sound and Music. It should of won Costume if not 42nd Street but they clearly hated that show at the Oliviers so thats neither here nor there and I will remain bitter. I know this sounds selfish but I love that whilst this has tied Matilda, Matilda and Potter, two British shows, have the most wins at the Oliviers ever. That makes me happy, not just a quality stand point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 16:37:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 11:10:30 GMT
Marsha is on for Eliza the next two weeks, so those who didn't enjoy Rachelle can go and see someone else! 😁
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Post by BGLowe on Apr 12, 2018 12:37:22 GMT
I finally was in the room where it happened last night! Sat in D24/25 - fantastic seats as I love being up close to see the expressions. Without repeating everyone else I absolutely adored this. A couple of understudies;
Sifiso Mazibuko was on for Aaron Burr. I really enjoyed his interpretation although I did feel he was stronger in act 2 as it felt like he was more relaxed. His “The room where it happened” was amazing but I wanted a little more for “Wait for it”. A strong performance though.
Miriam-Teak Lee was on for Angelica. I have to be honest I was gutted when I saw it wasn’t Rachel John as I adore her. Miriam was good but didn’t completely sell it for me. She had a lot of sass and her acting choices were nice but I, again, wanted a little more with her vocals.
As I already knew,Gabriel Mokake was on for Mulligan/Madison. He was good - not much to report.
I loved Jamael Westman who 100% sold it for me- he seamlessly made the character transitions and sung it really well. I also really liked Rachelle Ann Go - whilst she was somewhat Disney pop princess, I think it worked overall and I sobbed during its quiet uptown. I did feel she held back a little during burn, I really wanted her to just let go. I’d be interested in seeing someone else play the role though.
No Hamilton blues for me because luckily I am going again in July and I can’t wait!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 13:22:32 GMT
Is anyone after a single stalls seat (Row L) for the Matinee on Thursday 10th April? I want to go, I'm travelling alone, there's a pair of tickets available but because of their STUPID ruling, I can only buy tickets in pairs "because you can't leave a single seat". I'm prepared to buy the both so another person can buy the other single ticket from me? (or is that a breach of their other ticket sales rules?)
edit: no matter, they've gone now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 21:12:17 GMT
I think this is the first time since it was announced this thread was created it fell off the first page, so thought I'd bump it back up for the fans. 😂
Anywho, I haven't seen much about the stage door situation for Hamilton London, which surprpises me considering all the crazies who love it. (Not y'all on here, the fangirls). Any comment on the stage door situation?
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Post by poster J on Apr 14, 2018 23:04:37 GMT
I think this is the first time since it was announced this thread was created it fell off the first page, so thought I'd bump it back up for the fans. 😂 Anywho, I haven't seen much about the stage door situation for Hamilton London, which surprpises me considering all the crazies who love it. (Not y'all on here, the fangirls). Any comment on the stage door situation? I'm sure the fans could have bumped it themselves if they wanted to, no show needs to be discussed constantly (sometimes I wish the Wicked thread understood that...). Anyway, I went to the stage door when I saw the show again last week. All very orderly and friendly, but my goodness the fangirls beside me were annoying - they clearly wanted all the cast to know that they'd seen the show a ridiculous number of times (23 apparently, and it's only done just over 100 performances!) and would be back later in the week... All of those who were on for principal roles stopped except for Rachel, Rachelle and Christine who I didn't see at all (which was a shame as I'd gone to try to see Rachel) - presumably there are other exits that the cast can use as well. Several of the ensemble also stopped to chat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 16:47:32 GMT
I stagedoored once. There were like 25-30 nice, patient people. Nothing like the craziness at Wicked. Everyone (except Rachel John, who probably used other door) stopped to chat with fans and pose for pics. Tarinn was the sweetest; I think I'm falling in love.
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 15, 2018 17:13:28 GMT
Yeah the couple of times I've been, the stage door has been a pretty calm and respectful place! Also, it's not outside the actual stage door, because of the ongoing works on the building, so people kinda queue up against a hedge that runs parallel where the stage door is and alongside a little path so it's a little less hectic than normal!
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 15, 2018 19:38:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 19:48:26 GMT
You prioritise; if I can see The Drowned Man 30~ times without going broke, and you can see the various Mischief shows almost certainly far more than 23 times without having to rob a bank, and if they don't have children or drug habits to feed, then I don't see why a keen Hamilton fan making 23 trips shouldn't be perfectly achievable!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 20:00:05 GMT
You prioritise; if I can see The Drowned Man 30~ times without going broke, and you can see the various Mischief shows almost certainly far more than 23 times without having to rob a bank, and if they don't have children or drug habits to feed, then I don't see why a keen Hamilton fan making 23 trips shouldn't be perfectly achievable! Exactly! and presumably people are sitting in mainly the cheaper seats not the premium ones. Also given the lead-in time to booking, people would have booked many of these tickets over a year ago and paid off the credit cards/earned more money in the interim and therefore spent it on Hammy. If I booked decent tickets for every other show at my local we're talking £25 a pop at least (more for a posher seat). That's kinda the same spread of cost, if you look at it over course of a year.
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Post by fiyero on Apr 15, 2018 20:14:30 GMT
Isn't there a limit of 6 tickets per person for the booking period? I guess they could come with a different friend each time but still seems a stretch! Not judging, I'm seeing it 5 times in its first year (twice so far)
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Post by Rukaya on Apr 15, 2018 21:50:32 GMT
I'm not one to judge people repeat visiting a show, and I won't, but I'm more just amazed and thoroughly impressed that they've been able to see it 23 times already considering the availability (or lack thereof) and the prices! I applaud them, if anything, to have presumably found cheaper seats or having been able to book that many trips in advance.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 15, 2018 21:52:22 GMT
Probably have waited for hours in the returns queue everyday.
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Post by theatrefan77 on Apr 15, 2018 23:19:23 GMT
It's really not as difficult to get the tickets as some people might think. I've seen it 3 times and booked only a couple of weeks in advance. the most I've paid is £57.50.
Of course if you check online on the day they only have Premium seats at £200 but apparently, if they don't sell them, they reduce the price for personal callers close to curtain up.
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Post by poster J on Apr 16, 2018 7:38:54 GMT
I've seen the show 3 times myself and have another 2 booked for much later in the year, but I stand by my view that seeing one fifth of the shows that have taken place is excessive. I get that people can really love a show, and I've done double-show days of a particular show myself, or seen it twice in a week, but I can't imagine wanting to go to a show any more than that no matter how much I love it, and certainly not going once every 5 days or less. Yes, each show is going to be a bit different, but not that different, and I'd rather enjoy rediscovering the show a few weeks or months later. I appreciate people will have different views to me, and that some people on here do see the same show a lot, and that's their prerogative, but I'm also entitled to my opinion.
Frankly I'd also prefer to be able to pay my mortgage and eat, and I just don't get that much time off work. That's just my opinion though, and each to their own, especially if people have a lot more disposable income than me while working clearly a lot fewer hours - I must be in the wrong job.
I don't think it's difficult to get Hamilton tickets, but there is no way they would have got cheap tickets for all of those shows - the booking period restrictions still apply, so that'll be a lot of returns queuing with no guarantee of a cheap ticket, so clearly a significant amount of money is being spent.
My main point though was that bragging about how many times you've seen a show at the stage door is just plain annoying and attention-seeking.
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Post by ellie1981 on Apr 16, 2018 8:23:47 GMT
Maybe they’re rich kids? Students with wealthy parents or something.
I’ve already seen it 4 times and *cringe* have another 5 booked (4 taking new people and one alone), which would make it in contention for the most visits I’ve done for a single show - by far the most in a calendar year. But apart from the previews they have all been at the very least a month apart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 8:30:40 GMT
I know its quite a cynical opinion, but I do feel with people getting to 20+ viewings this far into run already is somewhat down to gaining bragging rights over the need to repeat the viewing experience. Being able to stand at the stage door and declare that this was their 23rd viewing in as many weeks validates them inside, its the 'fan-girl/guy' mentality. If they can be the person thats seen the show the most then it gives them some security over the biggest fan position, internally. poster J makes a very good point about money as well. I think theres been a change in society over the last decade whereby the younger generations have not been taught the true extent of the value of money. People are so flippant with their finances these days and so heavily dependant on credit. They spend whats in their account, as soon as its in their account, and then some. Theres a real lack of financial foresight and planning for the future. At least in my experience of people I know. It'll be really interesting in 20-40 to see the state of affairs as less and less people own houses and go to retire on an empty pension they forgot to contribute to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 9:00:53 GMT
I know its quite a cynical opinion, but I do feel with people getting to 20+ viewings this far into run already is somewhat down to gaining bragging rights over the need to repeat the viewing experience. Being able to stand at the stage door and declare that this was their 23rd viewing in as many weeks validates them inside, its the 'fan-girl/guy' mentality. If they can be the person thats seen the show the most then it gives them some security over the biggest fan position, internally. poster J makes a very good point about money as well. I think theres been a change in society over the last decade whereby the younger generations have not been taught the true extent of the value of money. People are so flippant with their finances these days and so heavily dependant on credit. They spend whats in their account, as soon as its in their account, and then some. Theres a real lack of financial foresight and planning for the future. At least in my experience of people I know. It'll be really interesting in 20-40 to see the state of affairs as less and less people own houses and go to retire on an empty pension they forgot to contribute to. I think you're absolutely right, generally speaking, but just for the record - I'm in my early 20s and every month pay into a savings account, ISA, and pension Better than me!.. I speak as someone rather ashamedly 'victim' of this change in culture. Only recently started contributing to a pension as a result of the change in legislation. Post-Bills theres a little movement at the end of the month but I still make room and exception for luxuries like theatre trips.
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