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Post by Nelly on Apr 4, 2016 9:11:55 GMT
It says 'rumoured' on that link?
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Post by MusicalTalk on Apr 4, 2016 10:33:17 GMT
Rap education/inspiration if ALW did this, it'd be seen as plagiarism
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 5, 2016 20:10:41 GMT
Confirmation that Hamilton will come to London in 2017 www.playbill.com/article/confirmed-hamilton-headed-to-london-in-2017-com-356927New York Times interview with Hamilton's producer Jeffrey Seller earlier today: "Seller is spending a great deal of his time on the formidable task of putting multiple productions on the road, each of which, he says, must replicate the quality of the Broadway production. After Chicago, a second road company will open in San Francisco and perform for five months, then move on to Los Angeles. (That same cast may end up back in San Francisco for a longer engagement if the demand warrants.) There will most likely be a company that begins its tour in another West Coast city. Seller is working with the British producer Cameron Mackintosh on a “Hamilton” production to open in London in 2017, which will be followed by companies in Continental Europe and Australia." www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/magazine/the-ceo-of-hamilton-inc.html?_r=0
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Post by Jon on Apr 5, 2016 20:23:52 GMT
Continental Europe which I assume is either Germany or the Netherlands would be risky as Hamilton might not play well there. Even Mormon hasn't opened in Europe yet.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 5, 2016 20:27:08 GMT
Translating it would be difficult, presenting it in the original language might discourage some theatregoers
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 5, 2016 20:53:14 GMT
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Post by musicalfloozie on Apr 5, 2016 21:01:47 GMT
Yippee I'm so excited, must admit been thoroughly taken in by this one. Luckily it's 2017 as I'm on a no more tickets for this year as got a little carried away with booking shows and meant to be saving haha.
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Post by primitivewallflower on Apr 6, 2016 1:16:47 GMT
Continental Europe which I assume is either Germany or the Netherlands would be risky as Hamilton might not play well there. Even Mormon hasn't opened in Europe yet. Hamilton could actually do quite well in France/among the French, since a) English-language musicals have a bit of a cult following in Paris, b) Hamilton touches on the history of France at several points, and c) much like in America, the pro-immigrant overtones of the musical make it all the more relevant to contemporary audiences there. The biggest challenge then is not the plot itself but the logistics of translating in real-time what is unofficially the most lyrically-dense major musical ever written. Do you resort to super/side titles? Or do you risk translated songs?
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Post by viserys on Apr 6, 2016 4:57:57 GMT
Book of Mormon also opens in Sweden next year.
I really can't see Hamilton happening in France, though. The "cult following" you refer to has been limited to a few classics that have seen short runs at the Theatre de Chatelet in recent years. Hardly any big mainstream musicals have ever made it in Paris (or elsewhere) and even Stage Entertainment has been struggling to fill their one single theatre (Mogador), where they are now doing Cats (again) to be followed by Phantom soon.
Otherwise I fully agree, I can't see Hamilton happening in any other language than English and an English-language version will be hard to follow for foreigners. I can see this work with subtitles in Scandinavia or the Netherlands perhaps, where people are used to subtitles in the cinema and on TV but definitely not in Germany, where the majority still insists on having everything spoonfed dubbed in German to them.
Overall I just don't think Hamilton NEEDS to go global. Maybe in the 80s/90s, it was a sign of success that shows like Cats, Les Mis or Mamma mia "went around the world" in dozens of languages. And yes, it was nice, but it shouldn't be a benchmark. Besides, people travel a lot more these days. I know many musical lovers in Germany who are big fans of Billy Elliot, although it's never played in Germany - they simply went to see it a couple of times in London. Same with Book of Mormon and I'm sure that once Hamilton is announced, there'll be another trek across the channel to see it.
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 6, 2016 5:24:51 GMT
Lin probably wants to protect his baby so much that he'd also probably take a really long time researching/auditing translators if they plan to go that route -- either of the lyrics to be performed or for supertitles that get the point across with a comparable amount of density and cleverness. I don't see it doing many (if any) non-English language productions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 5:42:56 GMT
I really hope I can get excited about this but I am just not at the moment. I don't know why as the Cast Recording is great but I am just not that excited about this coming over. Maybe it is because it is crazily hyped I am just not wanting to be let down and am worried I will be. :/
I say that, I wasn't too excited about In the Heights, but I saw it and loved it so am ready to be proven wrong.
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Post by ali973 on Apr 6, 2016 6:07:01 GMT
I actually CAN see this translated. I think there might be a great appetite for a "rap musical". There is French rap, and I think the French might find great novelty in a show like Hamilton.
I'm slightly skeptical about Australia though. Book of Mormon and The Bodyguard have been rumored to open there forever but nothing has materialized yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 7:07:57 GMT
I really hope I can get excited about this but I am just not at the moment. I don't know why as the Cast Recording is great but I am just not that excited about this coming over. Maybe it is because it is crazily hyped I am just not wanting to be let down and am worried I will be. :/
I say that, I wasn't too excited about In the Heights, but I saw it and loved it so am ready to be proven wrong. Honestly if you like the cast recording I doubt you will feel let down. From what I've seen the only people who have not liked the show or been disappointed by it are people that hate rap or that hate it being part of theatre. It's also a much better show than In the Heights. Not that In the Heights is bad but: 1. Lin came up with the concept for ITH and wrote the music and lyrics but did not write the dialogue. Most critics of ITH have issues with the book rather than the music/lyrics. He wrote everything for Hamilton. 2. He started writing In the Heights when he was still in university, he has become a much more accomplished and experienced writer since. 3. Hamilton is a much more ambitious and complex piece which makes it all the more impressive to watch. I saw Hamilton back in August (before the cast recording came out) and the first thing I said to my friend at the interval was 'the lighting is amazing.' There is so much more to this show than the (brilliant) music. The staging of numbers like Satisfied, Yorktown, It's Quiet Uptown and the finale make them a million times more effective so even if you listen to the cast recording all day every day you will find things to be impressed by when you see the show for the first time. However, having low expectations is not a bad thing. It ensures you wont be overly disappointed. I do think you'll be the opposite however.
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 6, 2016 12:29:44 GMT
Right -- I saw Hamilton once before the cast recording came out and once after. I really do think it's one of those "whole-experience" type of shows. Of course, people freaking out in a good way over the cast recording and wanting little more than to see it live just based on that probably proves me wrong (or just shows that people are different). And I'm not even a huge fan of the show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 12:33:50 GMT
Am I the only one not overly bothered about the transfer ??
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Post by Steffi on Apr 6, 2016 12:38:11 GMT
Am I the only one not overly bothered about the transfer ?? You and Michael. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 12:42:14 GMT
You can't be *that* unbothered about Hamilton if you took time out of your day to go into a thread about Hamilton, have a bit of a read on the subject of Hamilton, then share a thought on Hamilton. Unless... you're one of *those* people.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 16:42:58 GMT
You can't be *that* unbothered about Hamilton if you took time out of your day to go into a thread about Hamilton, have a bit of a read on the subject of Hamilton, then share a thought on Hamilton. Unless... you're one of *those* people..... I have... It doesn't interet me at all the story or music to be honest. Not my sort of show by first impressions, could give it q go but it's at the bottom of the list below musicals I really want to see.
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Post by infofreako on Apr 6, 2016 17:26:40 GMT
Not sure you caught the point baemax was making
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 17:32:13 GMT
Not sure you caught the point baemax was making What was the point?
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Post by Mr Wallacio on Apr 6, 2016 19:50:06 GMT
Not sure you caught the point baemax was making What was the point? That if you had no interest in the show at all you wouldn't have taken time to open this thread and make a comment in it is basically what Baemax was getting at
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Apr 7, 2016 16:14:40 GMT
You can't be *that* unbothered about Hamilton if you took time out of your day to go into a thread about Hamilton, have a bit of a read on the subject of Hamilton, then share a thought on Hamilton. Unless... you're one of *those* people.....
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Post by andrew on Apr 7, 2016 21:36:12 GMT
Was about to pre-order the Hamilton book (as Miranda calls it, the Hamiltome) until I saw there's to be an audiobook. Now I can't decide between an audiobook with narration or a lyric book with notes. I have Finishing The Hat from Sondheim and found that I pretty much ignored the printed lyrics and just read the prose and annotations around them, so I'm tempted to wait for this audiobook.
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Post by Seriously on Apr 8, 2016 5:42:24 GMT
I've tried and tried, but I still can't hear what you guys hear (and yes, I do work in musical theatre).
The thought of lots of Arts Ed ensemble boys at the VP with terrible Brooklyn accents thinking they can do rap in 18th Century frills just fills me with dread.
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Post by ali973 on Apr 8, 2016 6:12:09 GMT
^ Not many of the cast will be Arts Ed/musical theatre trained people. They tend to have open calls and look for people with r&b/rap background rather than classically trained theatre performers.
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