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Post by ali973 on Sept 1, 2016 4:08:33 GMT
They've already casted three Burrs (plus one from the original workshop) and six Hamiltons (between Broadway and Chicago, replacements and alternates) and guess what..none of them white.
In one of the earlier articles about London the statement said that the London production would even be MORE diverse include South Asians and Middle Easterners. And when they meant diverse they meant variety of none-white performers.
Let's move on..
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Post by 49thand8th on Sept 1, 2016 4:16:12 GMT
Can a white actor play a black character that is portraying a white character in history? Or is that reverse positive discrimination meets blind colour casting in 360? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this show is not for you.
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Post by ali973 on Sept 1, 2016 4:20:51 GMT
^ lol yes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 7:12:00 GMT
I personally would feel uncomfortable watching a bunch of white people singing rap and R&B music whilst playing slaveowners. It's like 'hey remember that time my race owned your race, well now we're going to go back to that point AND us white people will sing the music that you guys created!' If people want to see a white person playing Aaron Burr, they can write their own musical about him. This was one was written and created by a person of colour for people of colour to play and it should absolutely stay that way. If it didn't, I think it'd be the only way the show could alienate me as a fan. And I say this all as a white person.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 7:38:21 GMT
Can a white actor play a black character that is portraying a white character in history? Or is that reverse positive discrimination meets blind colour casting in 360? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this show is not for you. I'm going to agree with that. And also mention that that may be missing the point. However to ensure there's no confusion, short answer: No.
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Sept 1, 2016 7:50:21 GMT
Can a white actor play a black character that is portraying a white character in history? Or is that reverse positive discrimination meets blind colour casting in 360?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 8:30:39 GMT
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this show is not for you. I'm going to agree with that. And also mention that that may be missing the point. However to ensure there's no confusion, short answer: No. I'd go even further and suggest that WEW is possibly trying to make a point of her own by "humorously" missing the casting point. Fact is, the author has specified that non-white performers are to play the majority of leading and featured roles. There's a role specifically for a white performer, and there's no reason not to have white performers in the ensemble and filling out bit parts (like they have on Broadway). If I remember correctly, the furore over the Broadway casting call was because they specifically called for non-white performers, rather than calling for unspecified performers (to play non-white roles). You can't discriminate against the performers in the first place, though obviously you are free to cast whoever you want. And if you want to follow the author's specifications (spoiler: they do), then white performers will be free to audition but are INCREDIBLY unlikely to get a major role that isn't King George.
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Post by theatremadness on Sept 1, 2016 9:54:59 GMT
And just as an FYI, the West End casting notices all specify for non-white performers where appropriate.
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Post by westendwendy on Sept 1, 2016 11:28:46 GMT
Can a white actor play a black character that is portraying a white character in history? Or is that reverse positive discrimination meets blind colour casting in 360? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this show is not for you. It was a question not a statement. I really look forward to watching the show. The soundtrack is super.
I just always question why an actor can't simply be an actor whether they are green, black, orange or white. You have blind colour casting with dozens of roles and when Jonathan Pryce plays the engineer in Miss Saigon on Broadway the whole world goes crazy and the show is almost cancelled. (true story)
Anyway its a debate on BAME representation and for another thread! Can't wait to see Hamilton whatever cast they have!
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Post by 49thand8th on Sept 1, 2016 12:31:43 GMT
I know it's a true story; I was alive in the early 90s, I remember this. And I'm Asian American and it was a BS excuse to threaten to cancel the show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 12:40:03 GMT
I know it's a true story; I was alive in the early 90s, I remember this. And I'm Asian American and it was a BS excuse to threaten to cancel the show. Yes, most of us who were alive then (and many who weren't) know that story, and equally know it was a) utter BS b) a poor decision to cast Pryce in the role. Thankfully we have come some way since then, Hamilton being an example of that. There is colour blind casting in the traditional sense, which is obviously a good thing, and then there's the foregrounding of roles for POC. For some shows the colour of the actors' skin IS very much important, Hamilton is one of those shows. As someone mentioned above, if the talk of further mixing up the ethnicities of the performers in Hamilton over here are true, then that's an exciting evolution of the show.
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Post by 49thand8th on Sept 1, 2016 12:41:36 GMT
Also, there seems to be the underlying current of "I am but a poor white performer; who can I play?" You'll be fine. You'll have plenty of roles and always will. Sit this one out or get in line to play King George.
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Post by primitivewallflower on Sept 1, 2016 12:44:05 GMT
I think the more interesting question is to what extent the London cast's diversity will reflect British rather than American questions of national identity. Hints that they'll cast Middle Eastern and South Asian actors show the producers are at least thinking about this; if so, it's a really good idea. Given Brexit and the migrant crisis, Hamilton just might resonate in Europe in unanticipated ways.
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Post by bjorne on Sept 1, 2016 12:44:33 GMT
They've already casted three Burrs (plus one from the original workshop) and six Hamiltons (between Broadway and Chicago, replacements and alternates) and guess what..none of them white. In one of the earlier articles about London the statement said that the London production would even be MORE diverse include South Asians and Middle Easterners. And when they meant diverse they meant variety of none-white performers. Let's move on.. I wonder why the Broadway production is not already more diverse including principals that are South/East Asians and Middle Eastern... They're not that mixed maybe? I'm not exactly an expert about this and I'm not trying to be polemic, I was just wondering when I read that...
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Post by 49thand8th on Sept 1, 2016 12:45:43 GMT
I kind of wondered that when Lexi Lawson replaced Philippa Soo. I'm certain isn't intentional to cast to have fewer people of any particularly ethnicity, but the results are interesting (however you want to interpret that).
At the same time I suppose you can also see it as them not staying strictly with Angelica = black; Eliza = Asian, Hamilton = Latino, etc... especially since Mandy Gonzalez is the next Angelica and Michael Luwoye is the new Ham alternate.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Sept 1, 2016 14:03:53 GMT
So Ham4ham is over- what up with that? I thought Rory did a pretty good job with it..
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Post by 49thand8th on Sept 1, 2016 14:24:27 GMT
Rory was great, but the crowd was really unwieldy and it's possible the NYPD just got fed up. Maybe Ham producers realized without Lin there that the crowd wasn't worth the downturn in social media coverage? My other theory is they wanted to wind down once the weather got harsher and it was easier to ease people out of it now rather than later.
I walked past it the day Cynthia Erivo did the Ham4Ham show. She had finished, but I saw the cops not even let Javier through the street (he was trying to walk around the crowd) to get to the stage door.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 14:47:47 GMT
Yeah I attended one Ham4Ham and it was fun but the crowd was ridiculous. Bearing in mind they only originally intended to do it through previews, they've been kind enough to do it for over a year and if they want to stop now I think it's fair. It's extra work for the cast, theatre staff and NYPD. The digital Ham4Hams are much better audio quality anyway so I always preferred them.
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Sept 1, 2016 16:09:36 GMT
I walked past it the day Cynthia Erivo did the Ham4Ham show. She had finished, but I saw the cops not even let Javier through the street (he was trying to walk around the crowd) to get to the stage door. OMG No way! I was there that day! It's even possible you saw me!
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Post by bjorne on Sept 1, 2016 16:16:38 GMT
I remember the Ham4ham video where Lin was scared that someone could be hit by a bus or something. Last time I went to NY I passed near the theatre and it was crazy, I'm not surprised that they stopped it actually.
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Post by 49thand8th on Sept 1, 2016 17:29:46 GMT
I walked past it the day Cynthia Erivo did the Ham4Ham show. She had finished, but I saw the cops not even let Javier through the street (he was trying to walk around the crowd) to get to the stage door. OMG No way! I was there that day! It's even possible you saw me! Isn't this like saying "we were at the same sporting event"?
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Post by ali973 on Sept 1, 2016 20:11:27 GMT
well..TBH i thought they stopped it because it was getting lame LOL I have to say, even during Lin's final weeks, it started going downhill, even the Patti LuPone one wasn't great. Some of the earlier shows were pure treasures..The 3 Georges doing the Schyler Sisters, the playout music by the orchestra, the In the Heights reunion..Though the last one they did was a great finale, I have to say it was more like the ones they did when it first started.
I did hear that they will do it in Chicago though, so maybe that company will be original and somehow give us something new.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 20:19:03 GMT
The live ones I really enjoyed were the 3 Kings doing The Schuyler Sisters and the girls doing My Shot. The digital ones I loved JaBurr, Jasmine doing My Man, Pippa doing Copland, Lin at Les Mis and especially the White House ones.
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Post by 49thand8th on Sept 7, 2016 21:27:33 GMT
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