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Post by Jon on Jun 9, 2016 14:23:51 GMT
^ I agree, it'll be lost if it begins now. I think they have their hands full with the Tony Awards (and their aftermath), replacing or extending the leads and casting and mounting the Chicago sitdown production. I agree that the machine will probably kick start much later on in the year. The only big opening following summer is Dreamgirls, which won't be as dominant as Harry Potter or Aladdin. Not to mention it's not opening until September or October 2017, they have more than enough time to announce it and crank up the marketing machine |
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Post by primitivewallflower on Jun 9, 2016 16:36:44 GMT
As I've said before, the subject matter of a show really really doesn't matter. Look at Les Mis. It's based on historical events, in a non-UK country, events which most people are so unfamiliar with that even people who've seen the show can come out believing it's about the French Revolution, and yet it's been running for years with no sign of stopping. And does it matter if a show is peculiarly American? Why not ask Book Of Mormon, which is only three years old here but still going strong without a single dip in its sky-high ticket prices? If Hamilton fails to find an audience over here - and that's always a possibility - then it's not going to be because of the subject matter. To add to this, Hamilton has been firing on many different cylinders at once in the US. Most of them are pretty plausible to see catching on in the UK: the breadth of the music, the clever lyrics, the emotional story. Hell, it's just a fun musical to sing along with regardless of where you're from. A couple aspects of Hamilton may not translate, or may translate in unexpected ways. For example, in the context of American culture it's hard to understate the significance of Hamilton recasting the US founding narrative as one populated by people of color, humanizing the Founding Fathers, and further by lauding Alexander Hamilton rather than Thomas Jefferson (the traditional 'forefather' of the US Democratic Party). It's fair to say that it's dominated the recent conversation among Early American historians. I wouldn't expect that side of Hamilton to resonate as powerfully with UK audiences (through no fault of their own of course). But! On the other hand, maybe it elicits a conversation about how the UK confronts its own history and identity. After the uproar over the casting of a black Hermione in Harry Potter it's not crazy to think there's broader exploration to be done here. It's hard to predict. Related to this, Hamilton's focus on immigration makes it quite timely in America. Even before the nomination of Donald Trump, there were political tensions between America's self-identity as a nation of immigrants and the perceived strains of immigrants on economic prosperity. Now of course that's front and center in the political discourse. But again! Immigration is a major issue both in the UK (maybe even bigger right now than in the US) and the continent, so maybe the American undertones of immigration and identity running through Hamilton will resonate just as strongly -- or even more so! -- when it transfers. One more thing: I'm cautiously optimistic about how well Hamilton will do in in London but for what it's worth I have found that teenagers tend to be really good canaries-in-the-coal-mine about musicals. Maybe it's the combination of their sophistication and thirst for the emotional, but if I were ever to consider investing in a musical I'd absolutely do an all-teen preview first. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 9, 2016 22:35:57 GMT
Baz Bamigboye @bazbam 2m2 minutes ago
#HamiltonMusical confirms London run at #VictoriaPalace on Monday.It opens October 2017
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Post by daniel on Jun 9, 2016 22:37:31 GMT
It's happening people!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 9, 2016 22:37:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:38:11 GMT
Baz Bamigboye @bazbam 2m2 minutes ago #HamiltonMusical confirms London run at #VictoriaPalace on Monday.It opens October 2017 People here Aren't going to be planning that far ahead Other than us board sisters On Broadway it's the biggest thing ever We have our own nice little double bill just starting though Which is a lot better known internationally |
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Post by infofreako on Jun 9, 2016 22:41:00 GMT
Funny how we were talking earlier on here about how the announcement was a way off yet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:43:19 GMT
Baz Bamigboye @bazbam 2m2 minutes ago #HamiltonMusical confirms London run at #VictoriaPalace on Monday.It opens October 2017 People here Aren't going to be planning that far ahead Other than us board sisters On Broadway it's the biggest thing ever We have our own nice little double bill just starting though Which is a lot better known internationally Not comparable. Harry Potter has been around for over a decade. Hamilton has got incredibly far with no prior source material (other than a historical biography) and in the space of 18 months. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:45:55 GMT
People here Aren't going to be planning that far ahead Other than us board sisters On Broadway it's the biggest thing ever We have our own nice little double bill just starting though Which is a lot better known internationally Not comparable. Harry Potter has been around for over a decade. Hamilton has got incredibly far with no prior source material (other than a historical biography) and in the space of 18 months. Got far in the US NO doubt it's going to be a hit here But remember The poster says Hamilton An American Musical Not the same |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:47:29 GMT
No one is disputing that it is American in subject although the UK's influence certainly forms a large part of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:52:31 GMT
Booking for London doesn't open until October.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:52:41 GMT
I just find Americans are hysterical about everything
We just don't have the same ridiculous attitude here
People camped overnight ongoing
Yes there are hit shows
In reality
People are not going to pay £1000 for Hamilton seats
We are in a recession
People rely on offers at sainsburys
We need perspective
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:55:40 GMT
They wont be charging that much here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:56:19 GMT
They wont be charging that much here. Lucky for us!! |
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Post by Jon on Jun 9, 2016 22:56:25 GMT
Can't imagine Hamilton will be charging mega high prices from the get go, I suspect like Mormon and Aladdin, the preview prices will be reasonable then once the reviews come in, they'll use dynamic pricing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:58:26 GMT
Can't imagine Hamilton will be charging mega high prices from the get go, I suspect like Mormon and Aladdin, the preview prices will be reasonable then once the reviews come in, they'll use dynamic pricing. Indeed You are right As per all Delfont Shows |
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Post by Jon on Jun 9, 2016 23:03:15 GMT
Apparently Cameron Mackintosh is spending £30m on the refurb of the VP which seems very high, I thought when the refurb was announced when it was owned by Stephen Waley Cohen, it was £12m for the refurbishment,
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Post by Oleanna on Jun 10, 2016 0:30:04 GMT
Top price £85 according to Baz.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 0:43:43 GMT
Top price £85 according to Baz. Well the highest prices on Broadway now come out at £588 or so, so it could be much worse.. I wonder if they'll go for those £150-£200 straight away or wait to see how it does first. The success of this show is going to be extremely interesting to watch. |
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Post by primitivewallflower on Jun 10, 2016 1:12:39 GMT
Top price £85 according to Baz. Well the highest prices on Broadway now come out at £588 or so, so it could be much worse.. I wonder if they'll go for those £150-£200 straight away or wait to see how it does first. The success of this show is going to be extremely interesting to watch. Is it me, or does it sound more like he's surmising rather than delivering sourced information? I cannot imagine they've set price points yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 1:19:02 GMT
The top tweet sounds like that's what he's directly heard from someone, whereas the second tweet seems like a guess.
I think?
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Post by viserys on Jun 10, 2016 5:40:18 GMT
£85 for regular seats is still a steep hike from current prices (and I'm sure other shows will follow as they usually do).
And I hate the lottery rubbish. Disappointed if they don't do "normal" day seats that rewards those who put some time and effort into getting cheap tickets by queuing. And knowing in the morning if you didn't get tickets by arriving too late, then having plenty of time to sort out an alternative.
I don't think they'd dare to start charging greedy £500 prices as London audiences generally don't seem to do "hype" the way Broadway does. All I wonder about is if we get the same awful situation with bots scooping up everything for the resale market.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 10, 2016 5:43:31 GMT
All I wonder about is if we get the same awful situation with bots scooping up everything for the resale market. Uhm don't think so, at least not till Broadway crazy level. I mean, here it's illegal, so they won't be reselling tickets on the official website. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 5:56:38 GMT
I can understand why they'd do lottery instead of dayseats though, what with all the cancellation line nonsense going on in New York. I know it most likely wouldn't get to that level here, but don't think it's worth it for them to try.
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Post by viserys on Jun 10, 2016 6:15:28 GMT
yea, but there's stuff like Viagogo and Seatwave in Britain too, that's already caused problems for rock and pop concerts? But yea, I hope you're right.
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