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Post by kathryn on Sept 26, 2017 15:43:42 GMT
Damn, looks like we've been moved from Row O in the stalls 5-6 to Row K in the dress/Royal 37-38, which is really rubbish. Obviously Row O in the stalls will feel a lot closer than row K in the Royal!
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Post by kathryn on Sept 26, 2017 15:50:05 GMT
^True, with the caveat that those who know little of theatre ways wouldn't really know that. I would say that can be the case, but the people who booked the first few weeks of Hamilton had pre registered and then sat there queuing on the first day on sale to be able to get those seats. I think they know of theatre ways. If people were just booking early fot Bragging rights, then they'll still get them if all their 3 choices were early in the run. I think you are forgetting that Hamilton is a show that has a much wider appeal than the normal theatre audience. It's a mainstream hit because of the way the soundtrack and the mixtape has told. A lot of the people who are desperate to see it - who can't afford the American prices - are not regular theatre goers and don't know about previews being cancelled or about theatres being re-built. They wouldn't expect a cancellation any more than they'd expect the first dates of a concert tour to be cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 16:33:18 GMT
kathryn I think youre forgetting that the only people who have heard of Hamilton, or bought the cast recording in this country are theatre fans. Maybe it's more mainstream in the US, but so far its pretty much theatre fans only. Its no where near as mainstream as you think it is.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 26, 2017 16:56:22 GMT
Then how come I know people who go to the theatre once in a blue moon who have booked Hamilton tickets?!
Did you miss the all-star mix-tape? It got to number 6 on the UK iTunes chart, that's the UK-specific chart, not the US one.
It's not just theatre buffs who want to see Hamilton - that's the whole blimmin' reason that the show is such a phenomenon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 17:02:32 GMT
Then how come I know people who go to the theatre once in a blue moon who have booked Hamilton tickets?! Did you miss the all-star mix-tape? It got to number 6 on the UK iTunes chart, that's the UK-specific chart, not the US one. It's not just theatre buffs who want to see Hamilton - that's the whole blimmin' reason that the show is such a phenomenon. Isnt the itunes chart based on streaming or actual sales? I know people who go to the theatre often, but know nothimg about the show. Its definitely not a phenomenon here. Yet. We'll have to agree to disagree
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 17:10:16 GMT
Then how come I know people who go to the theatre once in a blue moon who have booked Hamilton tickets?! Did you miss the all-star mix-tape? It got to number 6 on the UK iTunes chart, that's the UK-specific chart, not the US one. It's not just theatre buffs who want to see Hamilton - that's the whole blimmin' reason that the show is such a phenomenon. Isnt the itunes chart based on streaming or actual sales? I know people who go to the theatre often, but know nothimg about the show. Its definitely not a phenomenon here. Yet. We'll have to agree to disagree I agree. It certainly isn't on the radar of any of my mates who aren't big musical fans. I do think the hype here will die down pretty quickly when the next big thing comes out. (Mormon now for example is now perfectly easy to get tickets for). It is intrinsically American and while the concept of a rap and hip hop musical is a novelty; the story doesn't mean much to the average Brit. Anyway, I walked past the VP last week and it is a huge building site. No idea how they are gonna pull this one out of the bag.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 26, 2017 17:11:30 GMT
Then how come I know people who go to the theatre once in a blue moon who have booked Hamilton tickets?! Did you miss the all-star mix-tape? It got to number 6 on the UK iTunes chart, that's the UK-specific chart, not the US one. It's not just theatre buffs who want to see Hamilton - that's the whole blimmin' reason that the show is such a phenomenon. I know people who go to the theatre often, but know nothimg about the show. Its definitely not a phenomenon here. Yet. We'll have to agree to disagree It's currently people with certain interests (generally in American rap music and/or musical theatre) who are aware of it and jumped at the chance to booktickets. The show sold out incredibly quickly and has a huge advance, so it's obviously not just the usual theatre buff crowd. Frankly, no-one could have reasonably expected the opening to be delayed 2 weeks, and people have every right to feel aggrieved. I don't know why people are so ready to blame the punters for not having a crystal ball when this sort of thing happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 17:12:25 GMT
It's obviously not the phenomenon it is in America but it's definitely known about from non-theatre fans. Put it this way, this is the only show I've managed to convince my non-theatre fan friends to come and see with me. And it wasn't even a matter of convincing at all, they asked me.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 26, 2017 17:15:17 GMT
]I agree. It certainly isn't on the radar of any of my mates who aren't big musical fans. I do think the hype here will die down pretty quickly when the next big thing comes out. (Mormon now for example is now perfectly easy to get tickets for). It is intrinsically American and while the concept of a rap and hip hop musical is a novelty; the story doesn't mean much to the average Brit. Anyway, I walked past the VP last week and it is a huge building site. No idea how they are gonna pull this one out of the bag. It gets mentioned about once a fortnight on the Empire Magazine (film review) podcast. It's definitely has a reach beyond theatre buffs.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 26, 2017 18:09:32 GMT
Have to say I don't know a single person or work colleague who I have spoken to about Hamilton have ever heard of it. Even with all the adverts on sides of buses they still don't know what it is. I think it's only serious musical fans who have a clue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:29:56 GMT
In my experience, almost everyone under about 25 seems to know Hamilton or to have at least heard of it, regardless if they are theatre fans or not, while a fair few slightly older people (massive generalisation, sorry), despite going to the theatre frequently, haven't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:30:48 GMT
It's definitely not just serious musical fans.
Maybe it feeds into demographics of age or whatever, but I know a fair few people who know about it that would hysterically laugh if I called them a serious musical fan.
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Post by dizzieblonde on Sept 26, 2017 19:17:03 GMT
Isnt the itunes chart based on streaming or actual sales? I know people who go to the theatre often, but know nothimg about the show. Its definitely not a phenomenon here. Yet. We'll have to agree to disagree I agree. It certainly isn't on the radar of any of my mates who aren't big musical fans. I do think the hype here will die down pretty quickly when the next big thing comes out. (Mormon now for example is now perfectly easy to get tickets for). It is intrinsically American and while the concept of a rap and hip hop musical is a novelty; the story doesn't mean much to the average Brit. Anyway, I walked past the VP last week and it is a huge building site. No idea how they are gonna pull this one out of the bag. I was in Victoria yesterday, and can second Dom's assessment - the entire area is half built (it seems), and the theatre itself is near inaccessible right now. ! I'm now a bit concerned that the theatre isn't anywhere close to being finished, but just have fingers crossed than the shrouding covering the building is masking a more complete project than appearance would suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 21:18:22 GMT
I agree. It certainly isn't on the radar of any of my mates who aren't big musical fans. I do think the hype here will die down pretty quickly when the next big thing comes out. (Mormon now for example is now perfectly easy to get tickets for). It is intrinsically American and while the concept of a rap and hip hop musical is a novelty; the story doesn't mean much to the average Brit. Anyway, I walked past the VP last week and it is a huge building site. No idea how they are gonna pull this one out of the bag. I was in Victoria yesterday, and can second Dom's assessment - the entire area is half built (it seems), and the theatre itself is near inaccessible right now. ! I'm now a bit concerned that the theatre isn't anywhere close to being finished, but just have fingers crossed than the shrouding covering the building is masking a more complete project than appearance would suggest. Indeed. On one of the back corners you can look through as it's not covered and the inside of the theatre looked like a shell! Noticed it walking back from Starlight last week. Got tickets for early January - even wondering if that will happen. If there will be a further delay, wonder when that would be announced....
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Post by singularsensation10 on Sept 26, 2017 21:25:15 GMT
The tickets only sold out because they only did one release - so not all seats went on sale initially. It's a basic sales tactic to build buzz and excitement.
I have to say, people that aren't big on theatre that I know have no idea what the show is and are not bothered by the concept if I tell them about it. The whole significance of the show being played by a non-white cast will not resonate with a lot of the audience members. Most of them won't know the story before attending the show so won't understand lots of the references (i.e. "John Adams doesn't have a real job anyway" is the first that springs to mind).
My predication is that the show will be a HUGE hit then a hard sell.
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Post by Jon on Sept 26, 2017 21:29:08 GMT
I'm sure the theatre will be almost completed by late November/early December, a lot can be done in eight weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 22:01:44 GMT
Hmm, I find it odd that people are using anecdotal evidence from their friends to suggest how big of a longterm success this will be. If I remember correctly, the vast majority of tickets were on sale and it also trended worldwide when they went on sale, this wasn't a small pre-sale or something similar.
And I would think a non-white cast would resonate greatly with...well non-whites.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 22:39:39 GMT
Having seen it three times here in the States the most appealing aspect of the show is the rare combination of infectious energy, music, and stagecraft. It checks all the boxes of what you hope for in a show even if the historical premise/topic is not of great interest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 22:46:06 GMT
Hmm, I find it odd that people are using anecdotal evidence from their friends to suggest how big of a longterm success this will be. Yet thats exactely what you did regarding how well known to Hamilton was to non theatre goers. whats the difference? "
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 23:09:12 GMT
Hmm, I find it odd that people are using anecdotal evidence from their friends to suggest how big of a longterm success this will be. Yet thats exactely what you did regarding how well known to Hamilton was to non theatre goers. whats the difference? " 'Only serious musical theatre lovers know this musical.' 'I know multiple people that aren't serious musical theatre lovers that know it.' vs. 'This musical will likely be a longterm success.' 'It wont because my friends have no interest.' You don't see the difference?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 23:20:21 GMT
It's obviously not the phenomenon it is in America but it's definitely known about from non-theatre fans. Put it this way, this is the only show I've managed to convince my non-theatre fan friends to come and see with me. And it wasn't even a matter of convincing at all, they asked me. That isnt using anecdotal evidence from friends to support a theory??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 23:22:12 GMT
It's obviously not the phenomenon it is in America but it's definitely known about from non-theatre fans. Put it this way, this is the only show I've managed to convince my non-theatre fan friends to come and see with me. And it wasn't even a matter of convincing at all, they asked me. That isnt using anecdotal evidence from friends to support a theory?? Did you not read my above post? People were stating 'this isn't known about by non-theatre fans' as if it was a fact, which is able to be proven wrong with anecdotal evidence. What can't be proven with anecdotal evidence is how well a show will do long term.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 5:36:00 GMT
That isnt using anecdotal evidence from friends to support a theory?? Did you not read my above post? People were stating 'this isn't known about by non-theatre fans' as if it was a fact, which is able to be proven wrong with anecdotal evidence. What can't be proven with anecdotal evidence is how well a show will do long term. No, people were making predictions based on their own experience. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing whatsoever about how popular the show was when tickets went or sale, or will be in the future, but it can be used as something upon which to make a personal prediction. The only statement of fact in that is the anecdote itself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 9:49:15 GMT
Did you not read my above post? People were stating 'this isn't known about by non-theatre fans' as if it was a fact, which is able to be proven wrong with anecdotal evidence. What can't be proven with anecdotal evidence is how well a show will do long term. No, people were making predictions based on their own experience. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing whatsoever about how popular the show was when tickets went or sale, or will be in the future, but it can be used as something upon which to make a personal prediction. The only statement of fact in that is the anecdote itself. Fair enough. I guess I just can't imagine basing predictions on the success of a show on the level of interest my (very small in comparison to the UK population) group of friends have in it. Plenty of things they have no interest in that are huge successes. My personal prediction is that the show will continue to defy expectations and whilst it will never be at its 2016 Broadway peak, it will absolutely be around for a while. People brought up Book of Mormon, but that has had a great run thus far despite buzz eventually dimming, as will happen for any show, and that was never as big of a phenomenon as Hamilton was/is. And whilst certain people may find the nontraditional casting or historical context the appeal, I think the vast majority of people just enjoy a great story combined with great music, great direction and hopefully great performances. And certainly, there are very few shows that do that as well as Hamilton does.
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Post by shady23 on Sept 28, 2017 8:26:01 GMT
I've just checked my account and have been moved to a performance on 18th December from the Grand half back to Stalls row A.
That can't be right surely? Not that I am complaining. Wow!
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