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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 21:35:08 GMT
I'd be most disappointed if it was Sam Mackay at this point, so the only way is up if he's *definitely* out!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 21:36:16 GMT
I'd say he did the same for Dreamgirls if I remember correctly, and it's possible he's done some pre-announcement announcements (how weird that this is even a thing!) for other things but I can't remember in all honesty! I'm probably wrong in saying he hasn't created any hype what-so-ever, but I don't think he's gone especially over-the-top and is totally at fault for the actual over-the-top mass hysteria that has spawned from it!! You may be right but Amber Riley is exciting casting! Even if this potential drama graduate is great (I'm sure he is), it wont excite anyone as no one will know who he is. And he knows how hyped the fans will get, so it does seem a little mean to get their hopes up, especially when there have been strong rumours floating around about people like Lin and Riz Ahmed.
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 15, 2017 21:40:57 GMT
I'd be most disappointed if it was Sam Mackay at this point, so the only way is up if he's *definitely* out! Really didn't like him as Usnavi. Saw the understudy first and thought he was soooo much better.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 15, 2017 21:41:15 GMT
I'd say he did the same for Dreamgirls if I remember correctly, and it's possible he's done some pre-announcement announcements (how weird that this is even a thing!) for other things but I can't remember in all honesty! I'm probably wrong in saying he hasn't created any hype what-so-ever, but I don't think he's gone especially over-the-top and is totally at fault for the actual over-the-top mass hysteria that has spawned from it!! You may be right but Amber Riley IS exciting casting! Even if this potential drama graduate is great (I'm sure he is!), it wont excite anyone as no one will know who he is. And he knows how hyped the fans will get, so it does seem a little mean to get their hopes up, especially when there have been strong rumours floating around about people like Lin and Riz Ahmed. Yes that's all very true! He might be getting their hopes up - but he didn't start any rumours, so in a sense they're getting their own hopes up. He might be causing 'hype' on twitter, but 1) that's his job (ish!!) and 2) because all he's announcing is the casting of lead characters from the biggest musical import in recent years. He's said absolutely nothing about it being anyone 'famous', only things to do with the musical, it's really not his fault if the person cast is not 'well known' enough for people!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 21:47:34 GMT
Hmm, well he has tweeted before about Lin playing the role in London so I'm not sure we can say he didn't at least add to the rumours.
True, he may be being told to tweet this by his boss or whatever, I don't blame Baz personally for any of this, I just think it's slightly off. It's not even like it would be someone known in musical theatre, if it's a recent graduate it will be a complete unknown. Just seems a little weird and inconsiderate to create any buildup whatsoever. It personally doesn't bother me if it's an unknown, it's more so the way it's being handled. A minor not major quibble though.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 15, 2017 21:50:27 GMT
You realize that Sam Mackay is white, right? That guy had no business in In the Heights to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 21:50:33 GMT
Personally I'm hoping for someone other than Lin.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 21:51:28 GMT
You realize that Sam Mackay is white, right? That guy had no business in In the Heights to begin with. Sam was terrific in In the Heights!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 15, 2017 21:53:26 GMT
Hmm, well he has tweeted before about Lin playing the role in London so I'm not sure we can say he didn't at least add to the rumours. True, he may be being told to tweet this by his boss or whatever, I don't blame Baz personally for any of this, I just think it's slightly off. It's not even like it would be someone known in musical theatre, if it's a recent graduate it will be a complete unknown. Just seems a little weird and inconsiderate to create any buildup whatsoever. It personally doesn't bother me if it's an unknown, it's more so the way it's being handled. A minor not major quibble though. Ah yes, again that's very true. Now you mention it, I remember him saying that Lin could come in at some point after it had opened, did he ever hint that he may start the West End production as Hamilton? But again, as we've both said, he'll only be tweeting what he's told. But you're totally right - it's all very minor. Maybe to the producers, an announcement of an unknown is hugely exciting! I still feel that it's too easy to read stuff into his tweets and get yourself excited over nothing but I definitely recognise that he is adding fuel to the fire. But hey, it's working. We're all talking about it. And I already have my ticket! Anyhoo, above all else, I hope that if it is an unknown, that the poor lad doesn't get hours of flack on twitter tonight from 'fans' saying that they were hoping for someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 21:56:15 GMT
Hmm, well he has tweeted before about Lin playing the role in London so I'm not sure we can say he didn't at least add to the rumours. True, he may be being told to tweet this by his boss or whatever, I don't blame Baz personally for any of this, I just think it's slightly off. It's not even like it would be someone known in musical theatre, if it's a recent graduate it will be a complete unknown. Just seems a little weird and inconsiderate to create any buildup whatsoever. It personally doesn't bother me if it's an unknown, it's more so the way it's being handled. A minor not major quibble though. Ah yes, again that's very true. Now you mention it, I remember him saying that Lin could come in at some point after it had opened, did he ever hint that he may start the West End production as Hamilton? I honestly can't remember, there's been so many different things floating around from different sources haha.
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Post by geeky101 on Jun 15, 2017 21:57:09 GMT
You realize that Sam Mackay is white, right? That guy had no business in In the Heights to begin with. He was excellent. And Lin/producers are all for diverse casting, which can work both ways, in both shows.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 15, 2017 21:57:41 GMT
You realize that Sam Mackay is white, right? That guy had no business in In the Heights to begin with. Sam was terrific in In the Heights! Irrelevant.
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Post by Sari on Jun 15, 2017 21:59:49 GMT
He was terrific but he can't be Hamilton.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:00:01 GMT
Sam was terrific in In the Heights! Irrelevant. But the whole point of Lin's shows is diversity. Should that not work both ways? Can white people not be in his shows? Other than King George of course!
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Post by ali973 on Jun 15, 2017 22:01:25 GMT
You realize that Sam Mackay is white, right? That guy had no business in In the Heights to begin with. He was excellent. And Lin/producers are all for diverse casting, which can work both ways, in both shows. I feel we're going to get no where if I have to break it down why there is an issue in casting Sam. BTW- Lin had nothing to do with In The Heights London. Unlike Hamilton, this was an independently produced production that had no input from the original creative team. Southwark licensed it like any fringe professional, semi-professional, community theatre, college or high school production would have licensed it. Heck, I could have licensed it and produced it in my bedroom and cast whoever and whatever I wanted with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:01:33 GMT
You realize that Sam Mackay is white, right? That guy had no business in In the Heights to begin with. What the actual f*** did I just read?
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Post by 49thand8th on Jun 15, 2017 22:02:37 GMT
But the whole point of Lin's shows is diversity. Should that not work both ways? omg
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:02:43 GMT
an independently produced production that had no input from the original creative team. Apart from all the words and all the music.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 15, 2017 22:02:52 GMT
Come on..you're killing me here. You can't have white people play brown people..are you guys serious, do I really need to teach you this? I thought you watched Season 5 Episode 5 of Orange is the New Black. If not, please go watch it.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 15, 2017 22:03:23 GMT
Apart from all the words and all the music. Exactly!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:03:57 GMT
I could have licensed it and produced it in my bedroom and cast whoever and whatever I wanted with it. Seems doubtful.
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Post by 49thand8th on Jun 15, 2017 22:04:37 GMT
You realize that Sam Mackay is white, right? That guy had no business in In the Heights to begin with. He was excellent. And Lin/producers are all for diverse casting, which can work both ways, in both shows. The "both ways" thing works when opportunities are equal. Don't be obtuse.
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Post by geeky101 on Jun 15, 2017 22:04:55 GMT
Come on..you're killing me here. You can't have white people play brown people..are you guys serious, do I really need to teach you this? I thought you watched Season 5 Episode 5 of Orange is the New Black. If not, please go watch it. But you can have brown people play white people, a la George Washington in Hamilton? Hmm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:05:08 GMT
To confirm, Lin has said in the past that white people are not to play the principal characters in Hamilton other than King George, understudies and in future school productions. The ensemble is free to include white people.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 15, 2017 22:07:19 GMT
Come on..you're killing me here. You can't have white people play brown people..are you guys serious, do I really need to teach you this? I thought you watched Season 5 Episode 5 of Orange is the New Black. If not, please go watch it. But you can have brown people play white people, a la George Washington in Hamilton? Hmm.
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