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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 17, 2024 21:07:44 GMT
Zero buzz about this though eh. And yet previews are almost sold out. Having seen it in New York- where it really surprised me with its artistry- I’m expecting this to be huge here too when word gets out. This ain’t Thriller Live. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 17, 2024 21:15:06 GMT
Do MJ fans want “artistry”? Or do they just want Thriller Live?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 17, 2024 21:15:55 GMT
Zero buzz about this though eh. Yeah, I just can’t past all the issues with MJ’s personal life. Yes, the music’s good, but I’m not not interested in sitting through a biographical account of his life when all the questions remain about his involvement with minors… I know nothing was proven in his lifetime (he paid a lot of the accusers off), but still. Not for me. Agree. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 17, 2024 22:35:12 GMT
Do MJ fans want “artistry”? Or do they just want Thriller Live? Well they can’t watch Thriller Live anymore so this will have to do. It’s also been one of the highest grossing musicals on Broadway since opening, so there’s clearly still a big market for his music. I’m not MJ fan- but the show was great in New York. None of us will know if he was actually guilty of anything , but I respect anyone not wanting to support this show. And anyone who wants to go and see it. |
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Post by nash16 on Feb 17, 2024 23:12:49 GMT
Zero buzz about this though eh. Yeah, I just can’t past all the issues with MJ’s personal life. Yes, the music’s good, but I’m not not interested in sitting through a biographical account of his life when all the questions remain about his involvement with minors… I know nothing was proven in his lifetime (he paid a lot of the accusers off), but still. Not for me. Exactly this. So weird that so many breezily overlook it all. But the connection to his music must outweigh the morals… Apparently the show does address it, but fleetingly. |
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Post by danb on Feb 18, 2024 7:10:34 GMT
Yeah, I just can’t past all the issues with MJ’s personal life. Yes, the music’s good, but I’m not not interested in sitting through a biographical account of his life when all the questions remain about his involvement with minors… I know nothing was proven in his lifetime (he paid a lot of the accusers off), but still. Not for me. Exactly this. So weird that so many breezily overlook it all. But the connection to his music must outweigh the morals… Apparently the show does address it, but fleetingly. Less snide moralising and judging others please! Somebodies art is not them. He isn’t alive to benefit from it. |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 18, 2024 7:31:57 GMT
It's shocking that of all people Lynn Nottage is the one that authored the book. A girl must eat, but
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Post by Steve on Feb 18, 2024 8:02:12 GMT
He isn’t alive to benefit from it. That's where I draw the line. I love listening to Michael Jackson's music, but I'd never have gone to Thriller Live or this if he was alive to benefit. Now he's dead, he can't benefit so it's fine to patronise his music. If you don't want to go, out of consideration to his victims, that's fine too. There's no right answer, so everyone can make this decision for themselves. |
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Post by shownut on Feb 18, 2024 8:31:01 GMT
Yeah, I just can’t past all the issues with MJ’s personal life. Yes, the music’s good, but I’m not not interested in sitting through a biographical account of his life when all the questions remain about his involvement with minors… I know nothing was proven in his lifetime (he paid a lot of the accusers off), but still. Not for me. Exactly this. So weird that so many breezily overlook it all. But the connection to his music must outweigh the morals… Apparently the show does address it, but fleetingly. On the flip side, some of us find it weird that so many breezily invest in his guilt when he was proven innocent in a court of law and the allegations made against him were from people with ulterior motives....but that is probably another thread entirely..... |
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Post by mrnutz on Feb 18, 2024 8:49:39 GMT
Exactly this. So weird that so many breezily overlook it all. But the connection to his music must outweigh the morals… Apparently the show does address it, but fleetingly. On the flip side, some of us find it weird that so many breezily invest in his guilt when he was proven innocent in a court of law and the allegations made against him were from people with ulterior motives....but that is probably another thread entirely..... Regularly sleeping in beds with children that are not your own is weird behaviour, whether it's illegal or not. Anyway, I've booked for this as a fan of theatre rather than MJ, just as I was happy to watch Steve Coogan playing Jimmy Savile on TV. |
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Post by shownut on Feb 18, 2024 9:05:14 GMT
On the flip side, some of us find it weird that so many breezily invest in his guilt when he was proven innocent in a court of law and the allegations made against him were from people with ulterior motives....but that is probably another thread entirely..... Regularly sleeping in beds with children that are not your own is weird behaviour, whether it's illegal or not. Anyway, I've booked for this as a fan of theatre rather than MJ, just as I was happy to watch Steve Coogan playing Jimmy Savile on TV. I never said it wasn't weird, but it doesn't mean he was a peodophile either.....there is a difference....and again, probably for a different thread as it is the show we should discuss here, not the morals of someone none of us will ever know the truth about. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 18, 2024 10:17:07 GMT
Nobody would say we shouldn’t discuss the real life of Eva Peron in the Evita thread. It’s completely on topic, as it is to discuss Michael Jackson’s “weirdness” here.
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Post by shownut on Feb 18, 2024 10:29:14 GMT
Nobody would say we shouldn’t discuss the real life of Eva Peron in the Evita thread. It’s completely on topic, as it is to discuss Michael Jackson’s “weirdness” here. Funny you mention that as I had written in my answer about parallels to EVITA then took it out. Great minds and all.... |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 18, 2024 10:31:24 GMT
Nobody would say we shouldn’t discuss the real life of Eva Peron in the Evita thread. It’s completely on topic, as it is to discuss Michael Jackson’s “weirdness” here. Im not disagreeing with you, i guess folk comment on MJ because he is in our recent memories? |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 18, 2024 10:37:17 GMT
The joy of freedom- no one is being forced to go and see this!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 18, 2024 10:42:29 GMT
No they’re not. And this is where we discuss why we will or why we won’t. I don’t think the forum would work if we only allowed people to comment if they were intending on seeing a show. It would be a bit limiting.
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Post by toomasj on Feb 18, 2024 13:55:32 GMT
Yep, each to their own as far as I see it. As a lover of his music, I’ll definitely be seeing this. But I’m not going to judge anyone making a moral decision not to because of their feelings on Jackson and the allegations against him. I would likewise not expect to be judged tor going.
Personally really looking forward to this after the rave reviews from Broadway.
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Post by danb on Feb 18, 2024 14:06:51 GMT
He isn’t alive to benefit from it. That's where I draw the line. I love listening to Michael Jackson's music, but I'd never have gone to Thriller Live or this if he was alive to benefit. Now he's dead, he can't benefit so it's fine to patronise his music. If you don't want to go, out of consideration to his victims, that's fine too. There's no right answer, so everyone can make this decision for themselves. I guess my problem has always been with the parents as much as MJ, and the fact that things have always been ‘settled’ out of court. Taking the money rather than letting things play out in open court speaks just as much about their morals as his. These are all properly messed up people being used by a morally bereft legal system and its players, with barely a thought for the lives it is affecting. |
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Post by ceebee on Feb 18, 2024 20:28:59 GMT
I wasn't a huge fan, but I did like his music. Looking forward to seeing this.
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Post by david on Feb 18, 2024 21:47:42 GMT
Yep, each to their own as far as I see it. As a lover of his music, I’ll definitely be seeing this. But I’m not going to judge anyone making a moral decision not to because of their feelings on Jackson and the allegations against him. I would likewise not expect to be judged tor going. Personally really looking forward to this after the rave reviews from Broadway. This is where I am myself with MJ toomasj . I'm booked in for a Thursday matinee mid March. Having a look at stuff posted on YT, Myles Frost looks sensational as the lead so hopefully he will be on at my show! |
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Post by nash16 on Feb 19, 2024 1:04:28 GMT
Exactly this. So weird that so many breezily overlook it all. But the connection to his music must outweigh the morals… Apparently the show does address it, but fleetingly. On the flip side, some of us find it weird that so many breezily invest in his guilt when he was proven innocent in a court of law and the allegations made against him were from people with ulterior motives....but that is probably another thread entirely..... If his cray fans sniff out this thread, you’ll definitely be hearing from that element a LOT on here… |
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Post by shownut on Feb 19, 2024 6:51:08 GMT
On the flip side, some of us find it weird that so many breezily invest in his guilt when he was proven innocent in a court of law and the allegations made against him were from people with ulterior motives....but that is probably another thread entirely..... If his cray fans sniff out this thread, you’ll definitely be hearing from that element a LOT on here… Not sure when referring to any group of people as crazy just because they have a differing opinion to others was acceptable? Maybe try saying those that agree with my opinion might show up and support that theory, rather than referring to me or anyone else as "cray"? Let's do better. |
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Post by ceebee on Feb 19, 2024 10:33:44 GMT
I've always believed in innocent until proven guilty. Hence I'm happy and comfortable seeing this show and hopefully being reminded how much of a superstar MJ really was.
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Post by nash16 on Feb 19, 2024 11:37:19 GMT
If his cray fans sniff out this thread, you’ll definitely be hearing from that element a LOT on here… Not sure when referring to any group of people as crazy just because they have a differing opinion to others was acceptable? Maybe try saying those that agree with my opinion might show up and support that theory, rather than referring to me or anyone else as "cray"? Let's do better. No, I’m talking about the cray-zee fans. (And it’s much quicker to say it that way!) |
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Post by Steve on Feb 19, 2024 12:38:41 GMT
I've always believed in innocent until proven guilty. Hence I'm happy and comfortable seeing this show and hopefully being reminded how much of a superstar MJ really was. I also believe in innocent until proven guilty, for the living.
For the dead, as with Jimmy Saville (never even charged with anything in his lifetime), I judge on a balance of probabilities.
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