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Post by Phantom of London on May 7, 2022 15:36:22 GMT
So Samantha Barks is a lady after my own heart, as she is vegetarian like I am.
So seeing Hedwig in Manchester this afternoon and Hedwig made a reference to which I didn’t cheer that the fur brigade protesting outside that he couldn’t care about them and they can go and screw themselves, he had on what looked to be a very convincing fur, I am sure that fake furs look very convincing. I hope any consume designer, worth their salt would never consider using real fur?
Many years ago I was at a show, which involved a turkey fight, people basically throwing bits of turkey at each other, a bit however landed on me, after the show I went ape, at the duty manager.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 7, 2022 16:39:44 GMT
I think if the garment is vintage you can just about get away with it. Same for stuff made out of ivory, antiques ok - new stuff not. I’m sure they wouldn’t risk controversy by using real fur though.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 18:14:04 GMT
I've got quite a collection of vintage furs that were given to me many moons ago when I had an amateur theatre company. We did use them - and often - in period pieces. I've still got a few, though I've relocated many over the years. I would NEVER use real fur unless it was vintage and from 1960 or earlier. While I didn't love using the real ones, authentic-looking stoles are hard to find - at least here in America.
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 7, 2022 18:28:22 GMT
Is it better to use an existing vintage fur for a stage show or going out an purchasing a faux fur? (Given that the use of a fur garment is deemed essential)
My understanding is that faux fur is often made from synthetic fibres which can have negative environmental impacts.
There is probably no right way forward. But there is a least bad option depending on your point of view.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 19:50:12 GMT
Yeah, I've heard the same about faux fur, which is why I've used vintage pieces. However, I needed a fur coat for a play and we only had minks and stoles, so I got a faux fur coat from a charity shop.
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Post by Phantom of London on May 8, 2022 18:03:35 GMT
I wouldn’t be keen on vintage fur, nor ivory, that’s just me.
A former poster on here that claimed they were a producer of 42nd Street at Drury Lane, who was also all over fashion as a hobby, claimed they used real fur in that show, this poster was also inconsistent in some of the things he claimed.
I would’ve thought if a show used real fur and it got out, it would really harm the box office. Also could you force backstage staff to deal with fur?
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Post by jojo on May 8, 2022 20:26:55 GMT
Is it better to use an existing vintage fur for a stage show or going out an purchasing a faux fur? (Given that the use of a fur garment is deemed essential) My understanding is that faux fur is often made from synthetic fibres which can have negative environmental impacts. There is probably no right way forward. But there is a least bad option depending on your point of view. It's going to depend on the situation and a lot of factors will come into play. From an environmental point of view it's definitely better to re-use an existing garment than use something new. That's true for all stage clothes, not just furs and fake furs, but if you can get a good looking fake fur second hand, then it might be a safer option. I have a friend who went Vegan recently and was going to get rid of all of her leather shoes. At one point she was trying to give them away, but as the environment was a factor then when she gave it more thought, she realised that was counter-productive. She's keeping the shoes she wears regularly, and will donate hardly worn dress shoes to charity shops. Charity shops won't accept fur coats or anything ivory, but I assume that's because they can't be sure it's genuinely old. The other worry was that people would just pretend their new fur coat came from the charity shop. From an ethical point of view, most people accept that the use of genuine 'vintage' items are fine. Different people will have different definitions, but IMO the important thing is not to support the fur industry. So no new fur, and no doing anything that makes fur look fashionable. In that respect, new fake fur is also problematic. But if it's a period play and the actors are wearing period costume, then you are just reflecting those times. If it's a big West End production, then something new and fake is likely to be best, but if it's an amateur production with a one week run, then something from the back of a cupboard is fine IMO. The most important thing is that the actors using the items are comfortable with it. Also, does the character need to wear a fur coat in the first place?
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Post by Phantom of London on May 10, 2022 13:48:29 GMT
Theatre by its nature is not environmentally friendly, how many skips theatres, fill up during the year must be eye watering, then to boot all that power theatres must consume?
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 10, 2022 14:13:28 GMT
The move to LED lights has certainly reduced power usage in theatre due to lighting. Same can't be said for automation, revolves and the like.
Costumes do often find their way from professional productions into costume hire companies which gives them a much longer life.
I suspect the amount of print media produced to promote shows has declined significantly over recent years which again is a positive from a paper waste perspective
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Post by jojo on May 11, 2022 11:18:47 GMT
I'm not sure that saying theatre as a medium/industry is so inherently bad for the environment that there's no point in trying is an argument to lead on. Most people get that performance and theatre falls under the category of special occasion, so a bit of extravagance is fine, but it's still part of society and needs to play its part.
Besides, most Vegans and vegetarians I know do care about the environment, not least because animals will suffer more than humans as the climate warms as they lose their natural habitats and starve their way to extinction.
The re-use of vintage materials is not straight forward, and I totally understand why some productions would prefer to get brand new costumes, but there is also a moral case for not doing so.
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Post by crowblack on May 11, 2022 11:53:13 GMT
I'm a costume collector, lapsed vegetarian and an occasional amateur taxidermist (roadkill and what the cat dragged in only!). My chief objection to real fur is the cruelty, but the 'it's natural' argument for real fur doesn't stand up either. The animals are intensively farmed, dosed with chemicals while alive and then when they've been killed their flayed skins are treated in all sorts of chemicals again, and fur coats have to be kept in plastic bags and cold storage to keep moths and fur beetles at bay in Summer. Very good synthetic furs have been available for decades now, are very hard wearing, require very little care and I have some from the 60s that still look bright and dramatic.
On the use of vintage fur, it depends, I suppose: if it was being worn by a trendsetter papped at a party or in a super-stylish film production that would give a boost to the fur industry to produce copycat lookalike items in real fur, then no. We saw that with Game of Thrones - suddenly real coyote fur trim was being used everywhere. If it's just being used here and there in a period drama then I suppose it's OK - I can't imagine someone's going to see a bit of vintage fur trim on a Victorian cape and rush out to copy it with fresh fur.
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