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Post by og on Feb 28, 2023 16:06:36 GMT
Can we take another moment to appreciate one special move....
Hannah Waddingham to host the awards is inspired.
Jason Manford was fine, if boring and a bit ill fitting. The new host should change things up nicely imo and no doubt she will sing!
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 28, 2023 16:16:33 GMT
Very happy with the 4 best actresses in a musical. A bit disappointed in the supporting actor and actresses in a play/musical categories though.
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 28, 2023 16:50:21 GMT
Why do some categories have five nominees and others only four? Doesn't seem fair to those who miss out on a spot.
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Post by alece10 on Feb 28, 2023 17:19:49 GMT
And why do the Oliviers never put "The' in front of the theatre name? They never do it and it just sounds really odd.
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Post by madsonmelo on Feb 28, 2023 17:50:55 GMT
The main awards are surely going to ''To Kill a Mockingbird'', ''A Streetcar Named Desire'', ''Standing at the Sky's Edge'' and ''Oklahoma!''. They really really loved these shows and gave little to no love to the other nominees.
I mean, ''Prima Facie'' overperformance and ''The Band's Visit'' got a nice haul of noms, but I don't see both beating ''Mockingbird'' and ''Standing''.
I have no idea who wins Actor in a Musical, but Kate is winning Actress, right?
Poor Emma Corrin, thought that for sure she would get a nom. Comer is unbeatable.
Actor in a Play is Mescal's to lose or any of the other nominees has a chance?
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Post by alessia on Feb 28, 2023 18:10:00 GMT
Jerusalem is by far the best play of the lot
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Post by lonlad on Feb 28, 2023 18:59:40 GMT
JERUSALEM was/is magnificent but, like CONSTELLATIONS last year, shouldn't have been eligible. It's a reprise of a pre-existing production - same set/star/director etc - rather than a reconsideration of it, the way a proper revival would be. I'm rooting for GOOD or STREETCAR. Too bad no room for Jamie Lloyd's thrilling if contoversial SEAGULL.
Very surprised no noms either for the amazing Lynette Linton for director (she won the Standard Award in this category in December), or the incomparable Patrick Vaill, another Standard winner, but then PV didn't get a Tony nomination either for his stunning Jud Fry in OKLAHOMA! on Bway so he must be used to being overlooked. He was streets ahead of Arthur Darvill, Marisha Wallace, and Liza Sadovy in that production. Though Sadovy's win last year for CABARET was and remains entirely deserved.
Sigh.
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Post by nottobe on Feb 28, 2023 19:44:44 GMT
A nice mix of nominees I would say. I'm also very surprised no Patrick Vail for Oklahoma and I'm also surprised no The Unfriend nominations and only one for Phaedra.
Aside I have to say I found Amber Davis very annoying reading the nominees as she kept bobbing around, come on get some proper presenters!
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Post by Rory on Feb 28, 2023 19:54:44 GMT
I too was surprised that The Unfriend didn't get a nomination for best comedy.
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 28, 2023 20:26:19 GMT
The Outstanding Achievement in Opera nominations baffle me. How can you reasonably compare a singer, a director & a designer?
I bet the ROH Peter Grimes will win Best New Opera Production. I was booked for it then returned my ticket, after reading the first night reviews & seeing the production pics. I have form with Peter Grimes & the Oliviers: I walked out of ENO's 2009 production after the first act because I loathed it only for that to win the Olivier. So I'll probably totally disagree with the Oliviers for two Grimeses running!
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 28, 2023 21:06:06 GMT
Good year for Sadler's Wells (inc. vs. ROH); 50% of 'Best new dance production'* noms, and 75% of 'Outstanding achievement in dance' noms. * surprised in a good way to see Traplord nom'ed - afair it was only on for 3-4 performances (in an underground car park). In Affiliates, the Bush got 2 of 5: deserved recognition! Streetcar in for all the big awards; Frecknall, Mescal, Ferran, Vasan (plus Revival cat). I'd give it three of those .. Lastly, no mention for Mark Rylance. |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 28, 2023 21:09:37 GMT
Mark Rylance has already won an Olivier for the same role in the exact same production remounted last year. It's not even like Ian McKellen being nominated for two different productions of Lear directed by two different people.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 28, 2023 21:11:59 GMT
That’s a second Olivier for Katie Brayben then and I am totally delighted about it.
Jodie Comer has it in the bag too.
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 28, 2023 21:12:11 GMT
Ah, Rylance last year
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 28, 2023 21:15:08 GMT
No I mean technically he would have been eligible for the 2023 Oliviers but it wouldn't really make sense. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 28, 2023 21:16:45 GMT
Mark Rylance and Jerusalem should absolutely not have been nominated. It’s a revival yes- but if exactly the same production and performance than won Oliviers last time.
It was insulting that the Mary Poppins revival won awards for the same categories as first time round.
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Post by alessia on Feb 28, 2023 21:24:40 GMT
I still don't understand how the Oliviers work for 'revivals' - So Jerusalem ought not to be there because it's the same production as the original Jerusalem? So why has it been selected...?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 28, 2023 21:28:46 GMT
I still don't understand how the Oliviers work for 'revivals' - So Jerusalem ought not to be there because it's the same production as the original Jerusalem? So why has it been selected...? I mean there's the fundamental problem that the Oliviers make the rules along the way so you end up with stupid decisions (eg putting the orchestrator of a jukebox musical in the same category of a composer who wrote a score). Jerusalem was indeed eligible but probably the majority of the voters thought there was no point in rewarding something that, as good as it was, it's more of a remount than a revival. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 28, 2023 21:32:21 GMT
surprised in a good way to see Traplord nom'ed - afair it was only on for 3-4 performances (in an underground car park). The Arts Council must have loved that! |
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Post by AddisonMizner on Feb 28, 2023 22:07:30 GMT
Below is who should win it for me. Just my opinion, but I should preface it by saying that I haven't seen all of the nominees:
Best New Play: Prima Facie at Harold Pinter Theatre
Best New Musical: The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse
Best Musical Revival: I loved Oklahoma and South Pacific equally, but for different reasons. South Pacific because it was a glorious, traditional revival with some of the best singing I have heard in a long time on the musical theatre stage. Oklahoma for doing something radically different with the piece, mining the text for new meaning. I thought I would hate it, but didn't. Overall, I would say Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Young Vic.
Best Actress: Jodie Comer for Prima Facie at Harold Pinter Theatre (already has it in the bag!)
Best Actor in a Musical: Julian Ovenden for South Pacific at Sadler’s Wells (just stunning! I still think about that opt up at the end of 'This Nearly Was Mine').
Best Actress in a Musical: Miri Mesika for The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse
Best Actress in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Marisha Wallace for Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Young Vic
Best Actor in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Peter Polycarpou for The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse
Best Theatre Choreographer: Matt Cole for Newsies at Troubadour Wembley Park Theatre (no competition)
Really surprised that NEWSIES did not get nominated for Best New Musical though!
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 28, 2023 22:20:25 GMT
Below is who should win it for me. Just my opinion, but I should preface it by saying that I haven't seen all of the nominees: Best New Play: Prima Facie at Harold Pinter Theatre Best New Musical: The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Musical Revival: I loved Oklahoma and South Pacific equally, but for different reasons. South Pacific because it was a glorious, traditional revival with some of the best singing I have heard in a long time on the musical theatre stage. Oklahoma for doing something radically different with the piece, mining the text for new meaning. I thought I would hate it, but didn't. Overall, I would say Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Young Vic. Best Actress: Jodie Comer for Prima Facie at Harold Pinter Theatre (already has it in the bag!) Best Actor in a Musical: Julian Ovenden for South Pacific at Sadler’s Wells (just stunning! I still think about that opt up at the end of 'This Nearly Was Mine'). Best Actress in a Musical: Miri Mesika for The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Actress in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Marisha Wallace for Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Young Vic Best Actor in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Peter Polycarpou for The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Theatre Choreographer: Matt Cole for Newsies at Troubadour Wembley Park Theatre (no competition) Really surprised that NEWSIES did not get nominated for Best New Musical though! Out of interest, did you see Tammy Faye? |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 28, 2023 22:21:11 GMT
I’ve just realised- how the hell is Gina Beck not nominated for South Pacific? She was sensational
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Post by theatrefan62 on Feb 28, 2023 22:22:45 GMT
Below is who should win it for me. Just my opinion, but I should preface it by saying that I haven't seen all of the nominees: Best New Play: Prima Facie at Harold Pinter Theatre Best New Musical: The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Musical Revival: I loved Oklahoma and South Pacific equally, but for different reasons. South Pacific because it was a glorious, traditional revival with some of the best singing I have heard in a long time on the musical theatre stage. Oklahoma for doing something radically different with the piece, mining the text for new meaning. I thought I would hate it, but didn't. Overall, I would say Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Young Vic. Best Actress: Jodie Comer for Prima Facie at Harold Pinter Theatre (already has it in the bag!) Best Actor in a Musical: Julian Ovenden for South Pacific at Sadler’s Wells (just stunning! I still think about that opt up at the end of 'This Nearly Was Mine'). Best Actress in a Musical: Miri Mesika for The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Actress in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Marisha Wallace for Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Young Vic Best Actor in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Peter Polycarpou for The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Theatre Choreographer: Matt Cole for Newsies at Troubadour Wembley Park Theatre (no competition) Really surprised that NEWSIES did not get nominated for Best New Musical though! Would Newsies be eligible? Isn't it too far out |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 28, 2023 22:29:15 GMT
Below is who should win it for me. Just my opinion, but I should preface it by saying that I haven't seen all of the nominees: Best New Play: Prima Facie at Harold Pinter Theatre Best New Musical: The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Musical Revival: I loved Oklahoma and South Pacific equally, but for different reasons. South Pacific because it was a glorious, traditional revival with some of the best singing I have heard in a long time on the musical theatre stage. Oklahoma for doing something radically different with the piece, mining the text for new meaning. I thought I would hate it, but didn't. Overall, I would say Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Young Vic. Best Actress: Jodie Comer for Prima Facie at Harold Pinter Theatre (already has it in the bag!) Best Actor in a Musical: Julian Ovenden for South Pacific at Sadler’s Wells (just stunning! I still think about that opt up at the end of 'This Nearly Was Mine'). Best Actress in a Musical: Miri Mesika for The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Actress in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Marisha Wallace for Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! at Young Vic Best Actor in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Peter Polycarpou for The Band’s Visit at Donmar Warehouse Best Theatre Choreographer: Matt Cole for Newsies at Troubadour Wembley Park Theatre (no competition) Really surprised that NEWSIES did not get nominated for Best New Musical though! Would Newsies be eligible? Isn't it too far out It was eligible, it was nominated for best choreography |
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Feb 28, 2023 22:53:22 GMT
Really wish they would seperate new score or new orchestrations. There is a huge difference between what goes into creating both of them and it would seem to be unequally balanced. I have no idea how Totoro got this nom over any new musical, but specifically Tammy Faye. Has the best new musical ever been won by a production that wasnt nominated in anything other than performance?
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