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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 17:46:19 GMT
With Cush Jumbo hot fovourite to win the Olivier Award in her category I was thinking as she was made an OBE a few years ago that if her career keeps on like this she may become a dame in due course. I then began to think if any BAME actresses had been made Dames and the only name that sprang to mind was Floella Benjamin but her honours have really been for her charity and public work.
The same with actors Lenny Henry has done some fine stage and screen work but is best known as a comedian and was largely knighted for his charity work with Comic Relief. With the death of the great Sidney Poitier recently there isn't another living black actor who has been knighted. Ben Kingsley would qualify as a living BAME actor of course as he is he is of Indian-Kenyan decent I think.
So who do people think could be the next BAME actors/actresses to get their knight/damehood?
Adrian Lester who had an OBE and was advanced to a CBE a couple of years ago is someone who sprang to mind as likely to be dubbed with the sword in the next decade or so.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 8, 2022 17:55:14 GMT
Idris Elba.
Now sure where he already sits on the honours scale at the moment, though.
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Post by Jon on Apr 8, 2022 21:17:30 GMT
Sir Adrian Lester has a nice ring to it.
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Post by teamyali on Apr 9, 2022 1:58:39 GMT
Chiwetel Ejiofor (already has a CBE) Sophie Okonedo (already has a CBE) Arinzé Kene (already has an MBE) Sharon D. Clarke (already has an MBE) - the fact that she’s the first (and only) performer so far to be nominated for all the 4 acting categories at the Oliviers (Best Actress, Best Actress in a Musical, Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actress in a Musical), and won 3 of them
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Post by Jan on Apr 9, 2022 9:24:09 GMT
The only problem compiling lists like this is you don't know who has already been offered an honour but has turned it down. Paterson Joseph has no honour at all as far as I know ?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 9, 2022 11:03:55 GMT
The only problem compiling lists like this is you don't know who has already been offered an honour but has turned it down. Paterson Joseph has no honour at all as far as I know ? I was going to say this
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Post by cavocado on Apr 9, 2022 15:52:28 GMT
I'm not a fan of the honours system, so I hope a lot of my favourite actors have turned them down (and not just been ignored). Of course we can usually only guess who has done this, but isn't it reasonable to assume that those who've accepted lesser honours would be likely to accept a knighthood/damehood? If someone is okay with being a 'Member of the Order of the British Empire' then why would they turn down 'Dame/Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire'?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 16:34:44 GMT
David Oyelowo would be a contender I'd have thought. He has had a strong and diverse career
Personally I don't see Idris as being particularly deserving. He tends to play versions of same character.
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Post by Jan on Apr 9, 2022 17:37:33 GMT
I'm not a fan of the honours system, so I hope a lot of my favourite actors have turned them down (and not just been ignored). Of course we can usually only guess who has done this, but isn't it reasonable to assume that those who've accepted lesser honours would be likely to accept a knighthood/damehood? If someone is okay with being a 'Member of the Order of the British Empire' then why would they turn down 'Dame/Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire'? Paul Scofield accepted a CBE, turned down a knighthood, then accepted Companion of Honour.
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Post by jojo on Apr 10, 2022 12:17:40 GMT
It's different for actors, but Danny Boyle famously turned down a Knighthood after accepting lesser awards. His reasoning, if I remember correctly, was that it's fine to give/receive honours, but becoming Sir is more in your face than having some letters after your name, and crucially for him, he believes that part of his job as a film-maker is to be a political commentator that challenges the establishment, and the act of accepting a Knighthood would be, or at least appear to be, a conflict of interest.
I'm sure Jon Snow said similar about working journalists not accepting honours, which is fair. It will be interesting to see if he accepts anything now he's retired.
By contrast, Sir Mo Farah and Dame Kelly Holmes got their awards for being double Olympic gold medallists, which is objectively a great achievement representing Britain on the world stage. When Holmes got her DBE gold medallists were rare, let alone double gold medallists. Our greater investment into Olympic sports means we have more of them now, so there remains some judgement on the matter.
It's notable that Olympic achievements are more likely to result in gongs than achievements in the more commercial sports, such as football. Andy Murray hitting the sweet spot by winning double gold and leading GB to Davis Cup victory, as well as big tennis tour titles that bring big pay cheques. I wonder if there's a similar slant in favour of less well known theatre actors over more famous and wealthier screen actors.
Another aspect is that typically there's supposed to be a five year gap between awards, so if you accept a CBE, then it's supposed to be another five years at least before you get the DBE/KBE. Rumour has it David Beckham (OBE) turned down a CBE because he hoped they'd come back a year later with the offer of a KBE.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 10:46:28 GMT
Thanks for all the great feedback. Chiwetel Ejiofor must be near the top of the list as he had his CBE back in about 2015 but is still only just in his mid 40's so might be thought a bit young to be a knighted actor but an Oscar win or if not before he his 50 I'd expect him to get his knighthood.
Sophie likewise would be a solid choice to get her damehood in the next decade.
One name I forgot to mention and though not actively acting so much would be Kwame Kwei-Armah who was made an OBE a decade back and has had a distinguished career in the arts for a long time.
It is usually 4 years between awards unless a political honour or in exceptional circumstances I think.
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Post by jojo on Apr 11, 2022 11:14:44 GMT
It's probably not official, but I remember reading something about how the five year gap is supposed to be a minimum, but they made exceptions for Olympians, because they like to give the Olympic honours in the aftermath of the Olympics. With so many of our higher profile honours now going to Olympians, it might influence how the rest of them are issued.
Age seems to be a factor, but again it depends on which industry you are in. Sporting stars do most of their world class achievements at young age, then retire. If they've achieved enough by 30 and are unlikely to achieve more, then what's the point in making them wait until they are 50? I quite like the idea of making them wait until they've retired, but that ship seems to have sailed.
According to Wikipedia, Floella Benjamin was made a Dame in 2020 for services to charity, though her OBE was for services for broadcasting. Charity usually gets a mention with most Knighthoods and Damehoods, even when the individual has been very successful in their own field.
And to throw another spanner in the works, Floella Benjamin became Baroness Benjamin of Beckenham in 2010 when she became a Life Peer for the LibDems. But that's a job title to go with a position.
There's no reason to rush the awarding of acting honours, and I think it's something of a millstone if someone becomes Sir/Dame too early in their career. Actors especially need to be able to shake off their own identity to do their job, and prominent titles make that harder.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 12:53:03 GMT
Floella was made a political peer to represent the Lib Dems in House of Lords like Seb Coe was for the Tories and both received a knighthood/damehood many years after for their contributions to the particular field they were in.
4 or 5 years between honours is the standard term. There had been a push to knight Ronnie Corbett as he was ayling but as he'd been made a CBE in 2012 they couldn't get it done before he sadly passed away.
When England won Rugby World Cup in 2003 a couple of the team had only been honoured a couple of years previously but they were still upgraded. Honours can be awarded outside of the specific New Years, Birthday Honours mainly for political reasons but Ellen McArthur's damehood was announced when she completed her voyage and Captain Tom's knighthood was announced outside of other honours possibly due to public pressure and his great age.
With sports a lot of success is often pre 30 or certainly pre 40 but if the achivements are there I think they should be recognised there and then personally.
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