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Post by sfsusan on Apr 8, 2022 21:40:53 GMT
Smith has been banned from all Academy events for 10 years. That's an interesting approach. He doesn't lose the ability to work*, doesn't lose the ability to be recognized/honored for that work, but he can't embarrass the Academy in public. *I wonder if him not being able to attend the Oscars (or perhaps even do any Oscar-related campaigning for a film) will reduce his marketability. Aren't actors generally obliged to do promo tours around award season? Would those be considered Academy events? |
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Post by jojo on Apr 9, 2022 7:24:25 GMT
I've made no secret that I think Smith was very much in the wrong and there's no excuse for it, but ten years seems a long time. I was expecting it to be five or so.
I wonder if it's because the Academy are themselves trying to compensate for messing up on the night.
Though I see the news is saying that he can still be nominated for OSCARS, just not attend the events, though I imagine that would be awkward.
I think Smith is more than established enough as an actor that I don't think it will have a huge impact on his marketability beyond the fall-out from the original incident. Though a return to the show sooner would be a useful part of his image rehabilitation, and if he's supposed to be the main promoter of a film that is in with a shout of other OSCARS it might make them less likely.
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Post by wiggymess on Apr 9, 2022 8:51:29 GMT
I've made no secret that I think Smith was very much in the wrong and there's no excuse for it, but ten years seems a long time. I was expecting it to be five or so. I wonder if it's because the Academy are themselves trying to compensate for messing up on the night. Though I see the news is saying that he can still be nominated for OSCARS, just not attend the events, though I imagine that would be awkward. I think Smith is more than established enough as an actor that I don't think it will have a huge impact on his marketability beyond the fall-out from the original incident. Though a return to the show sooner would be a useful part of his image rehabilitation, and if he's supposed to be the main promoter of a film that is in with a shout of other OSCARS it might make them less likely. A lot longer than I was expecting too - I thought maybe 2 or 3 years but this definitely sends the message that it won't be tolerated. I wonder if it will be reduced in due course. He'll still get acting work, as he should IMO (he's still a fine actor and I think most people who disagreed with his actions didn't want him "cancelled") but this surely will affect the type of roles he'll be offered? These days it's easy to spot films which are gunning for awards season and it would be a liability to cast him. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 9, 2022 11:57:18 GMT
Yes, but on the other hand he’s been doing awards-bait films for years ‘cos he wanted that Oscar, and now that he has it he can start doing the kind of films that never get nominated again, which he always excelled at. Most notably, comedy and action films. The films that tend to make actual money at the box office.
So it’s not necessarily the worst thing in the world for his career.
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Post by wiggymess on Apr 9, 2022 12:50:06 GMT
Yes, but on the other hand he’s been doing awards-bait films for years ‘cos he wanted that Oscar, and now that he has it he can start doing the kind of films that never get nominated again, which he always excelled at. Most notably, comedy and action films. The films that tend to make actual money at the box office. So it’s not necessarily the worst thing in the world for his career. I guess that depends on how you define career. I would have thought he'll be gutted to have to go back to only making those types of movies, but that is a complete guess on my part of course. He's a bankable star in pretty much anything he's in and obviously doesn't need the money, so his career in that sense (box office and personal earnings) will probably be fine, but I can only imagine how demoralising it will be to have to take such a huge step backwards and be limited in the roles he'll now be offered (nothing traditionally seen as "Oscar bait" I'd guess). Sad to think where his career could have gone vs where it seems like it will now go. Whole situation is very sad really. No winners at all here. I hope he gets the help he needs to resolve his issues and I really hope he surrounds himself with the right people. I wonder if those who agreed with his actions (and are now very quiet) think it was all worth it. I doubt he does. |
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Post by lynette on Apr 9, 2022 21:28:47 GMT
And the other guy, will he be invited to present again next year?
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Post by wiggymess on Apr 9, 2022 22:38:49 GMT
And the other guy, will he be invited to present again next year? The comedian who made a joke and was assaulted? Yes quite possibly, because the academy clearly have sense and understand there is a difference between telling a joke (in poor taste admittedly) and physically attacking someone. Obviously. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 9, 2022 22:43:01 GMT
He has hosted the ceremony before. He may well be asked to do so again.
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Post by jojo on Apr 10, 2022 7:40:06 GMT
Yes, but on the other hand he’s been doing awards-bait films for years ‘cos he wanted that Oscar, and now that he has it he can start doing the kind of films that never get nominated again, which he always excelled at. Most notably, comedy and action films. The films that tend to make actual money at the box office. So it’s not necessarily the worst thing in the world for his career. I guess that depends on how you define career. I would have thought he'll be gutted to have to go back to only making those types of movies, but that is a complete guess on my part of course. He's a bankable star in pretty much anything he's in and obviously doesn't need the money, so his career in that sense (box office and personal earnings) will probably be fine, but I can only imagine how demoralising it will be to have to take such a huge step backwards and be limited in the roles he'll now be offered (nothing traditionally seen as "Oscar bait" I'd guess). Sad to think where his career could have gone vs where it seems like it will now go. Whole situation is very sad really. No winners at all here. I hope he gets the help he needs to resolve his issues and I really hope he surrounds himself with the right people. I wonder if those who agreed with his actions (and are now very quiet) think it was all worth it. I doubt he does. It's obviously going to hit his career, in so much that being a Hollywood superstar is 95% image, but how much was already dented by his actions, and how much worse it will be because he can't do as much schmoozing is less obvious. I'd assume he'd want to keep a low profile at all of the awards ceremonies next year anyway. He gets to keep his award, which is right IMO. So all of his future projects can stick 'with Academy Award Winner Will Smith' on the poster - if they dare. Having won one Oscar, I'm not sure it's that important that he is seen to be in the running for more. It's Graham Norton I feel sorry for. He usually likes to make a big deal out of returning guests who have picked up an Oscar, but it's going to end up hanging over every interview he does and make it tricky to talk about his career highlight without everyone immediately thinking about his career lowlight. That's probably all fine if he is talking about more serious subjects for more serious films, but will be an elephant in the room for the foreseeable if he's doing promotion by simply being a fun guy on chat shows. |
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Post by sfsusan on Apr 10, 2022 19:16:14 GMT
That's probably all fine if he is talking about more serious subjects for more serious films, That's an interesting point. I was wondering if this might give him an opportunity (if he wishes) to pivot to art house/independent films. That would also give him a way to frame the change as moving toward something positive rather than being pushed out of his old career by something negative. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 10:53:51 GMT
If there is no ban on him being nominated then that is a big plus for Will. Not being able to attend doesn't really affect his career he's been a leading man for over 25 years, has won and kept his Oscar. The big test will be how well his films perform going forward, what sort of roles will he get offered etc.
A lot of actors don't attend awards ceremonies and the SAG Awards I think were much scaled back this year. Lets see how this affects Will's invites to big white/black tie/society gatherings?
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Post by sfsusan on Apr 11, 2022 11:04:33 GMT
If there is no ban on him being nominated then that is a big plus for Will. There might not be an official ban on him being nominated, but I wonder if the Academy will circulate an unofficial 'don't say his name' directive. Or voters might self-censor to avoid any possible controversy from him being nominated or winning. Time will tell. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 12:39:18 GMT
How films are sometimes advertised "Starring Academy Award winner" or "Academy Award nominee" usually when the film isn't that great. Would there be a ban on them being able to do this for Will's future films?
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Post by jojo on Apr 11, 2022 13:31:35 GMT
I don't see how. He's keeping his Oscar. He's still an Academy Award winner. He's no longer a member of the Academy, so as long as they don't say 'starring Academy member ...' they're fine.
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