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Post by mhumphries on Feb 25, 2022 21:11:53 GMT
So seeing as this looks to close down the entire underground network on these two days, would it be a safe bet that a few shows will cancel if staff can’t get to work or even enough punters making it on time to the actual theatre.
I’m looking at an hour and thirty minute walk from Paddington to Tower Hill now, will probably be quicker and easier then trying to get on a bus.
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Post by greeny11 on Feb 25, 2022 22:55:44 GMT
Surely people can use buses, National Rail and the river services to get into London. I'd be surprised if anything got cancelled.
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Post by Jon on Feb 25, 2022 22:57:50 GMT
I'm sure they've been Tube strikes before and it hasn't resulted in shows having to cancel.
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Post by sph on Feb 25, 2022 23:15:00 GMT
Given that TFL would strike if there weren't enough teabags in the break room, we're all pretty used to it by now. I don't expect any shows to cancel, but they may be a bit quieter.
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Post by showgirl on Feb 26, 2022 5:36:06 GMT
I already had 2 plays booked for Thursday 3 so have hastily made plans to use mainline rail more plus the overground and walk further than usual too. Buses should also be an option but are likely to be busier and the roads more crowded. On previous such strike days, 60% of tube services have actually run, but there's no knowing what it will be like this time and I'd rather not run the risk of being late.
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Post by alece10 on Feb 26, 2022 8:17:02 GMT
I had something booked for Thursday and I have now changed it to a couple of weeks later rather than taken the risk. The union is very strong on the line I need to use and my section is always closed when there is strike action. I feel so sorry for for the workers. Afterall they have only been given an 8% pay rise, terrible!!! And train drivers only get about 60 grand for a 35 hour week and the ones who sit in those little booths by the barriers looking at their phones all day are only on about 34 grand. I'm surprised they can afford food.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2022 8:42:25 GMT
Full Tube strike days can be horrible so I wouldn't be surprised if some shows cancel.
The Tube drivers/staff who are striking are entitled idiots and if some services are running then I'll be doing everything I can to support the ones who choose to work by trying to get into work myself. The recent Night Tube strikes have barely had any impact at all so hopefully this one will be the same. The unions have been far too powerful for far too long and it has to stop.
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Post by greeny11 on Feb 26, 2022 8:52:01 GMT
I struggle to sympathise with the drivers when they work the same number of hours but paid 200% more than I do, and yet they want more money. I get that their job is critical to the safety of the Underground, but they are well remunerated for their work unlike other jobs. I get the feeling they want more money for less hours - and not provide a service that is useful to the customers.
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Post by vickyg on Feb 26, 2022 9:02:16 GMT
I don’t think there have been cancellations before but if you can still get into town and out again there’ll be opportunities for many more returns than usual!
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Feb 26, 2022 10:50:34 GMT
I struggle to sympathise with the drivers when they work the same number of hours but paid 200% more than I do, and yet they want more money. I get that their job is critical to the safety of the Underground, but they are well remunerated for their work unlike other jobs. I get the feeling they want more money for less hours - and not provide a service that is useful to the customers. Maybe you just deserve to be paid better?
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Post by interval99 on Feb 26, 2022 11:13:55 GMT
As the tube strikes become more regular it's another reason to avoid going to London . Every visit to London in the last year has had a tube line closed either to strike action or the rebuilding work and even the new timings where you seem to get three trains in ten minutes and then have to wait ten to fifteen for the next group of them. I know London well enough to get around the central area but as London venues are beginning to be more out of centre or via DLR lines it's more of a concern. London buses are meant to be a great way to get around but outside regular users how many people know the numbers and routes, for out of town visitors the tube is the London travel option, normally quick and easy to understand visually regardless of language. Most visitors will only find out about these strikes on the day.they may cope with it then but less likely to want a quick return visit.
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Post by christya on Feb 26, 2022 12:05:40 GMT
Oh great, I'm supposed to be there on 1st. There's a 40 minute walk for me to get to Kings Cross then. I don't do buses, and don't fancy road transport anyway with the likely state of traffic if there's no tube.
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Post by Jan on Feb 26, 2022 12:24:20 GMT
I struggle to sympathise with the drivers when they work the same number of hours but paid 200% more than I do, and yet they want more money. I get that their job is critical to the safety of the Underground, but they are well remunerated for their work unlike other jobs. I get the feeling they want more money for less hours - and not provide a service that is useful to the customers. Plus I’m sure they’ve noticed that for the last two years the number of people using their service has been very low and so less money is available to pay them.
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Post by profquatermass on Feb 26, 2022 13:35:53 GMT
People do realise that this strike has nothing to do with pay?
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Post by Jan on Feb 26, 2022 13:56:06 GMT
People do realise that this strike has nothing to do with pay? Well, in the sense that pensions are a form of pay I suppose. Listen to this genius: "RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said: “Our members will be taking strike action [next week] because a financial crisis at London Underground has been deliberately engineered by the Government to drive a cuts’ agenda which would savage jobs, services, safety and threaten their working conditions and pensions.”" So, Covid was deliberately engineered by the Government to ensure fewer people used the tube and thus caused a financial crisis at TfL ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2022 14:18:16 GMT
People do realise that this strike has nothing to do with pay? I didn't, because they seem to strike about pay all the time! Frankly though, I don't really care what it's about. The staff used up the last of my sympathy and goodwill a long time ago. TfL is a mess and always has been but the staff mostly don't help themselves with their attitudes - I've seen very few friendly ones who seem to be doing anything at all over the years. They get paid more than enough to compensate for whatever it is they're moaning about now.
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Post by profquatermass on Feb 26, 2022 14:56:41 GMT
People do realise that this strike has nothing to do with pay? I didn't, because they seem to strike about pay all the time! Frankly though, I don't really care what it's about. The staff used up the last of my sympathy and goodwill a long time ago. TfL is a mess and always has been but the staff mostly don't help themselves with their attitudes - I've seen very few friendly ones who seem to be doing anything at all over the years. They get paid more than enough to compensate for whatever it is they're moaning about now. I'm not sure they've been on strike about pay in recent years. Still, who really needs pensions and decent working conditions?
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Post by alece10 on Feb 26, 2022 15:46:42 GMT
I didn't, because they seem to strike about pay all the time! Frankly though, I don't really care what it's about. The staff used up the last of my sympathy and goodwill a long time ago. TfL is a mess and always has been but the staff mostly don't help themselves with their attitudes - I've seen very few friendly ones who seem to be doing anything at all over the years. They get paid more than enough to compensate for whatever it is they're moaning about now. I'm not sure they've been on strike about pay in recent years. Still, who really needs pensions and decent working conditions? They have far better pensions and working conditions than most of us.
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Post by n1david on Feb 26, 2022 16:22:33 GMT
So, Covid was deliberately engineered by the Government to ensure fewer people used the tube and thus caused a financial crisis at TfL ? I suspect he's referring to the decision taken in 2015 by then PM Cameron and then mayor Johnson to remove all subsidy from TfL, making it the only major public transport system in the world which is expected to turn a profit to survive. www.ft.com/content/b7392524-8923-11e5-90de-f44762bf9896
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Post by Jan on Feb 26, 2022 16:38:48 GMT
So, Covid was deliberately engineered by the Government to ensure fewer people used the tube and thus caused a financial crisis at TfL ? I suspect he's referring to the decision taken in 2015 by then PM Cameron and then mayor Johnson to remove all subsidy from TfL, making it the only major public transport system in the world which is expected to turn a profit to survive. www.ft.com/content/b7392524-8923-11e5-90de-f44762bf9896Oh. So he’s ignoring the £4bn subsidy TfL have been given in the last 2 years ? Why ?
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Post by andys on Feb 26, 2022 17:05:04 GMT
I'm glad someone mentioned that they're not striking about pay, and haven't for a good few years now.
I very much doubt shows will be cancelled. They never have been before for transport strikes. Venues and productions are making contingency plans for potential staff absence/lateness.
Shows didn't cancel last Friday when storm Eunice paralysed all rail routes in and out of London.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Feb 26, 2022 17:21:30 GMT
TfL was considered a key resource and therefore required the subsidy to continue the service, the choice was close (furlough) or subsidy (remain open)
The cheapest option would have been furlough and have seen very little criticism of those who received furlough in other sectors which was not open for TfL.
If you think they are overpaid then spin and ask why you are underpaid for your endeavours, wages have been reducing in real terms for decades whilst profits and C Level wages have stratospherically increased over the same period.
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Post by n1david on Feb 26, 2022 17:28:59 GMT
Oh. So he’s ignoring the £4bn subsidy TfL have been given in the last 2 years ? Why ? No, he isn't - after all, virtually every business in the UK got subsidy in some form over the last two years, so that barely makes TfL special. He's making the point that TfL is now expected to be profitable again, while the Government still subsidises every other form of public transport in the UK. It's not about the last two years, it's about the next ten.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Feb 26, 2022 18:05:51 GMT
I'm not sure they've been on strike about pay in recent years. Still, who really needs pensions and decent working conditions? They have far better pensions and working conditions than most of us. Maybe everyone else isn't valued as well as they should be then...
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Post by Jon on Feb 27, 2022 18:11:09 GMT
I think TfL needs to be non political when it comes to getting deals and the tit for tat between TfL, the Mayor and the DfT needs to stop.
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