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Post by lynette on Jan 8, 2022 17:31:17 GMT
You have to pay for the actual census entry page but you can get the info free. The actual page is of course what you want as it will have all the info, siblings, occupations etc. Many of us will never see ourselves on a census cos 31 was destroyed in a fire, 41 not done cos of the War and 51 won’t be released for years.. a bit mean to have to pay but the company that does it is commercial, gov funds not stretching to it being accessible.
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Post by Jan on Jan 8, 2022 18:08:33 GMT
You have to pay for the actual census entry page but you can get the info free. The actual page is of course what you want as it will have all the info, siblings, occupations etc. Many of us will never see ourselves on a census cos 31 was destroyed in a fire, 41 not done cos of the War and 51 won’t be released for years.. a bit mean to have to pay but the company that does it is commercial, gov funds not stretching to it being accessible. The next release will be in 2052. Think I'll wait for that one.
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Post by lynette on Jan 8, 2022 19:31:25 GMT
You have to pay for the actual census entry page but you can get the info free. The actual page is of course what you want as it will have all the info, siblings, occupations etc. Many of us will never see ourselves on a census cos 31 was destroyed in a fire, 41 not done cos of the War and 51 won’t be released for years.. a bit mean to have to pay but the company that does it is commercial, gov funds not stretching to it being accessible. The next release will be in 2052. Think I'll wait for that one. Me too 🥂
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 8, 2022 19:38:13 GMT
You have to pay for the actual census entry page but you can get the info free. I thought you had to pay to see the transcription as well, just at a lower price. This is from the FindMyPast website: "Viewing transcriptions costs £2.50 per record. Records can also be viewed as an image of the original document, viewing images costs £3.50 per record." (Some subscribers get discounts) www.findmypast.co.uk/help/articles/360009238938-how-much-will-it-cost-to-access-the-1921-census-online-For those in/near London, the census is available free at the National Archives at Kew. (Just to note, I'm reading a lot of complaints about shoddy transcriptions, so if you search for a family name, be sure to look for any likely spelling variation.) A possible census substitute for the period between 1921 and 1951 is the 1939 National Register, a pre-war inventory of people and resources.
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Post by djp on Jan 8, 2022 20:49:23 GMT
You have to pay for the actual census entry page but you can get the info free. I thought you had to pay to see the transcription as well, just at a lower price. This is from the FindMyPast website: "Viewing transcriptions costs £2.50 per record. Records can also be viewed as an image of the original document, viewing images costs £3.50 per record." (Some subscribers get discounts) www.findmypast.co.uk/help/articles/360009238938-how-much-will-it-cost-to-access-the-1921-census-online-For those in/near London, the census is available free at the National Archives at Kew. (Just to note, I'm reading a lot of complaints about shoddy transcriptions, so if you search for a family name, be sure to look for any likely spelling variation.) A possible census substitute for the period between 1921 and 1951 is the 1939 National Register, a pre-war inventory of people and resources. The small print says find my past have it exclusively for 3 years it may be cheaper and/or elsewhere after that.
The 1939 Register is useful/all we have after. WW2 records are also unavailable although very few people who fought are still with us.
The wider message is that there's going to be a big hole in the future when anyone tries to start to research their family tree. The links to what people have researched and put on line before won't be there in a confirmed form. Which makes it very important to talk to the grandparents and even older relatives now because they are the only people who knew the people around in WW1 and WW2, and their stories. There just won't be data apart from the 1939 listing for 30 years. Its also time to get them to write who is on the family photographs. Nothing is more frustrating than looking at family group shots and having no idea who is in them.
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Post by lynette on Jan 8, 2022 22:39:29 GMT
I quite agree, we should write down what we know now because it will be more difficult for our descendants to get the info. I already have that responsibility with family photos and i am the only person who knows who they are! I wasn’t a particularly observant child but I do think I knew more about my family tree as a kid than my adult kids know now. As for shoddy transcriptions, yes they had my grandad’s name wrong, an unusual name but still and you don't have to pay for finding an individual. But you do for asking for the actual census page with that individual on it. They say they won’t do another census in this way. Too difficult. Shame really.
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Post by peggs on Jan 8, 2022 23:35:28 GMT
I'd love to know more about my family history but I don't even know the names of three out of four of my grandparents and my parents are still alive, just family politics means asking isn't an option. I'm assuming with next to no information it's nigh on possible to find out much?
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Post by cavocado on Jan 9, 2022 10:01:03 GMT
I'd love to know more about my family history but I don't even know the names of three out of four of my grandparents and my parents are still alive, just family politics means asking isn't an option. I'm assuming with next to no information it's nigh on possible to find out much? Depends how underhand you want to be. Also remember there are sometimes good reasons why people prefer not to discuss their family backgrounds. Presumably you know your parents' dates of birth and possibly their places of birth? So you should be able to order their birth certificates, which should have their parents' names and the address they were living at. From that you could look for grandparents' marriage records, which give ages and birth places, and you could then trace their births. You can search for free, but you need the certificates for the details, and they are quite expensive if you need a few (around £12 each I think). Your local library might have free access to a genealogy site like Ancestry or Find My Past, so as well as births, deaths and marriages, you could use that to search for your ancestors on the 1911 Census (and older ones) and 1939 Register. If not available in the library you can usually pay for a month's access for about £10 on those sites. The 1939 register mostly redacts records of anyone until they are 100 years old, so you might find a few of your family names blacked out if they were born after 1920ish. But it's usually pretty easy to work out who they are from the other people living in the house. There's also the Mormon records site, FamilySearch, which is free but can be a bit inaccurate. From what I understand, the Mormons collect and transcribe genealogical records in order to retrospectively claim those souls for the Mormon heaven (Mormons please correct me if I'm wrong...) and that's resulted in a huge public genealogy database.
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 9, 2022 12:40:29 GMT
There's also the Mormon records site, FamilySearch, which is free but can be a bit inaccurate. FamilySearch has two aspects... one is public records (both images and transcripts, including church records) and one is a 'universal' family tree, which anyone can add to or edit, which is where the wildly inaccurate information can come from. The public records are generally accurate (transcripts can be less so since old records can be hard to read) but the giant tree needs to be used as hints, not facts. Ancestry has some very good video tutorials for basic genealogy research (look for Crista Cowen's material). Basically, you start with what you know and work your way back through public records, trying to get as much verification as possible for each fact. As an example, knowing one grandparent's name may get you to their marriage records, which will give you the other grandparent's name (assuming your parent came from that marriage). That may get you to birth records for each grandparent, which will get you to their parents' names. And so on... I'll warn you, genealogy is an addicting hobby! And can be as expensive as theater-going, although more self-isolation-friendly. One thing I've found interesting in the news articles of the 1921 census is the record of what various famous people were doing at the time. Arthur Conan Doyle was apparently hosting a seance! And this was the first time each household filled out the form themselves, which allowed room for humor (including family pets in the list of family members) and anger (against unemployment, treatment of veterans). www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/06/1921-census-of-england-and-wales-reveals-nation-reeling-from-war
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 9, 2022 14:27:30 GMT
I'd love to know more about my family history but I don't even know the names of three out of four of my grandparents and my parents are still alive, just family politics means asking isn't an option. I'm assuming with next to no information it's nigh on possible to find out much? I have the same sort of issue. I know lots about my mother's family, and one of her cousins has done a lot of genealogy on her maternal family side, but my father has never been prepared to discuss his family so I know nothing about his side.
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Post by peggs on Jan 9, 2022 16:11:33 GMT
Always make me wonder when you go for eye tests and stuff and they ask you if you have certain things in the family and I think I have no idea.
I knew my maternal granddad who died a few years ago but his first wife died when I was maybe 5 or 6 and then he re married about a year later and any relationship with my mother went steadily downhill from there in. My paternal grandparents died before I was born and as I understand it there was some fall out over their will which meant my dad had nothing to do with his brother after that.
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Post by nick on Jan 9, 2022 16:25:03 GMT
You have to pay for the actual census entry page but you can get the info free. The actual page is of course what you want as it will have all the info, siblings, occupations etc. Many of us will never see ourselves on a census cos 31 was destroyed in a fire, 41 not done cos of the War and 51 won’t be released for years.. a bit mean to have to pay but the company that does it is commercial, gov funds not stretching to it being accessible. Well actually we should never see ourselves on the online information as they blackout people who are still living*. On that point, they made a mistake with my mother-in-law. They've blacked out the wrong person in her family so, although she's very much alive, you can see some of her records. *Actually I've just thought I'm not an expert - they do that for lots of info but for the census??
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 9, 2022 20:57:13 GMT
they do that for lots of info but for the census?? I've never seen anyone redacted on a census (but the UK doesn't release them for 100 years, probably because of this very reason). The 1939 Register does redact anyone that 'might' still be alive, although if you can document their death their information can be unredacted.
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Post by nick on Jan 10, 2022 6:22:30 GMT
they do that for lots of info but for the census?? I've never seen anyone redacted on a census (but the UK doesn't release them for 100 years, probably because of this very reason). The 1939 Register does redact anyone that 'might' still be alive, although if you can document their death their information can be unredacted. Of course. Silly me.
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