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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 5, 2022 9:19:01 GMT
Nigella Lawson, one of my favourite people, has quietly turned it down without making a song and dance about it. A class act. Lumley, who I'd always admired, has started displaying such aggressive patriotism recently it's turning me off. As a child of the empire, I'd expected her to be a little more thoughtful about it. Was it quietly made known why Nigella had turned down an honour?
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Post by Jan on Jan 5, 2022 9:39:44 GMT
Nigella Lawson, one of my favourite people, has quietly turned it down without making a song and dance about it. A class act. Lumley, who I'd always admired, has started displaying such aggressive patriotism recently it's turning me off. As a child of the empire, I'd expected her to be a little more thoughtful about it. Was it quietly made known why Nigella had turned down an honour? It has been quietly all over the newspapers for the past several days. It was in 2001 apparently - she didn't think she deserved one. Hard to disagree.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 5, 2022 16:35:24 GMT
Yes I don't mind people getting them if they have done anything of note or a lot for charity etc but the amount that seem to be given out now seems excessive.
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Post by alece10 on Jan 5, 2022 16:49:33 GMT
What was she getting one for? Services to middle aged men by staring at the camera and talking seductively?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Dec 31, 2022 8:32:46 GMT
Nothing massively stagey this year, apart from Sonia Friedman's CBE and Virginia McKenna's damehood. Brian May has been knighted but that's a stretch. Minor honors for David Harewood, Cleo Sylvestre, Stephen Graham, and a few theatre executives also recognized.
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Post by cavocado on Dec 31, 2022 9:58:46 GMT
I know someone with a well-deserved OBE for charity work over many years that has made a big difference to a lot of people's lives. She is the child of immigrants and had misgivings about accepting, but did so for the recognition it gives the charity, because it meant a lot to her parents, and to stick two fingers up at everyone who'd been racist to her over the years or had low expectations of what she could achieve. I think those are very good reasons, but I would respect someone like Vanessa Redgrave more if she stuck to her original principles. Surely fame, respect, wealth and privilege are more than enough reward for a long and successful career?
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Post by Jan on Dec 31, 2022 10:13:51 GMT
Who is our leading actor who has not yet been made a Dame/Knight ? Ralph Fiennes ?
That's omitting those who we know have previously turned it down. On Vanessa Redgrave, there was a left-wing figure (I forget who) who was awarded a knighthood and they asked him why he had accepted it and he said "I was not vain enough to turn it down". A better response than Sir David Hare's "I'm not accepting it for myself, I'm accepting it on behalf of Theatre".
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Post by cavocado on Dec 31, 2022 10:28:46 GMT
Who is our leading actor who has not yet been made a Dame/Knight ? Ralph Fiennes ? That's omitting those who we know have previously turned it down. On Vanessa Redgrave, there was a left-wing figure (I forget who) who was awarded a knighthood and they asked him why he had accepted it and he said "I was not vain enough to turn it down". A better response than Sir David Hare's "I'm not accepting it for myself, I'm accepting it on behalf of Theatre". I think both of those are a bit laughable. I imagine most who turn it down do so quietly and with integrity. By all means accept if you feel you can do so with your priniciples intact, but there's no need to justify it by taking a swipe at those who choose not to. And accepting honours to gain more recognition for a good cause or charity is one thing, but a successful writer might be expected to have the self-awareness and honesty to just acknowledge that he enjoys fame and all the rewards it brings him, rather than suggesting he's Sir David Bountiful, sprinkling the benefits of his knighthood over lowlier souls.
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Post by cavocado on Dec 31, 2022 10:31:58 GMT
Who is our leading actor who has not yet been made a Dame/Knight ? Ralph Fiennes ? Juliet Stevenson CBE? She must have turned down a damehood, surely? I think there was something in the Alan Rickman diaries about him turning down an honour (not knighthood).
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Post by lynette on Dec 31, 2022 18:11:30 GMT
Let’s face it the system is bonkers. There are many, many people out there who do charity work and are ‘unsung’, many who have worked with difficulties, many who champion causes and many actors and theatre people who do brilliant work both in media and beyond. The ones that get honours are usually deserving but only a small number of the many who also deserve. And don't get me started on the women’s footballers. Football is a profession you can’t continue in for very long, so winning the European Cup is significant, never mind the example to other girls and young women in football and in sport as a whole. How mean not to award the whole flippin’ team. Who makes these decisions? And the levels - laughable. A bloke who was a volunteer reader aged 100 gets a basic level award he isn’t going to enjoy for long, the woman whose child died from air pollution and is working to improve the situation gets a higher level. Both should be recognised but why not have a simple system of awards with one level for community work? This is a big discussion and on the whole the right people get recognition but the bloomin’ Empire is well gone and we should get ourselves organised, people.
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 27, 2023 13:40:44 GMT
Having accepted an OBE in 2009, Alex Cummings has announced today, his birthday, that's he's now returned it.
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Post by Marwood on Jan 27, 2023 14:14:51 GMT
Having accepted an OBE in 2009, Alex Cummings has announced today, his birthday, that's he's now returned it. Don’t you mean Alan Cumming? Good luck to him doing this, these ‘honours’ are worthless.
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 27, 2023 15:14:23 GMT
That's the chap! I've no idea who Alex Cummings is, though I wish him well and send my regards to his brother. 🙂
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 27, 2023 15:21:13 GMT
What did he take it for in the first place then?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 27, 2023 17:54:10 GMT
What did he take it for in the first place then? Did he say he has since educated himself?
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Post by theatreian on Dec 29, 2023 23:34:55 GMT
The New Years Honours are out again: www.whatsonstage.com/news/new-years-honours-list-announced_1560227/TV, showbiz and arts Game of Thrones actress Emelia Clarke has been awarded an MBE for her work with charity SameYou, which she founded. It provides vital support for people with brain injuries. Singer Leona Lewis also picked up an OBE for her contributions to music and charity. And national treasure Dame Shirley Bassey was awarded one of the most coveted Damehoods going, becoming just the 64th living member of the Order of the Companions of Honour. Other big names given the nod included Paul Hollywood , who got an MBE for services to baking and broadcasting, while Rishi Sunak's favourite author, Jilly Cooper, becomes a Dame. Glastonbury Festival founder Michael Eavis is knighted for services to music and charity, while film director Sir Ridley Scott had his knighthood upgraded. DJ Tony Blackburn was awarded an OBE, and fellow DJ Steve Wright got an MBE. Game of Thrones star Oliver Ford Davies also got an OBE for services to drama. There was also an OBE for retail expert and Mary Queen of Shops TV star Mary Portas.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 29, 2023 23:37:50 GMT
They missed Greg Doran who got a knighthood.
Oliver F-D is worth more than a OBE. At least a CBE for a career of that quality
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Post by theatreian on Dec 29, 2023 23:49:25 GMT
He was named in the article but not in the one I pasted from another source.
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Post by alicechallice on Dec 30, 2023 0:55:14 GMT
The wait for our next generation of theatrical dames is EXCRUCIATING!!!
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Post by mkb on Dec 30, 2023 1:48:16 GMT
Giving out and accepting titles like Knight Grand Cross, Knight Commander, Commander, Officer and Member, all of "the British Empire", whatever that is meant to mean in 2023, is like watching kiddies doing role re-enactment. All rather pathetic and sad and obsequious.
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Post by Jan on Dec 30, 2023 9:22:21 GMT
They missed Greg Doran who got a knighthood. Oliver F-D is worth more than a OBE. At least a CBE for a career of that quality Seems incredible O F-D hasn’t been honoured till now. Obviously hasn’t been on TV enough. Playing Malvolio next Xmas at the Orange Tree (booking already open).
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Post by theatreian on Dec 30, 2023 10:06:57 GMT
I guess some of it is down to being nominated by people and how many nominations you get. I remember once logging in to the system to look at the nomination process and it is very long winded and detailed.
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Post by mkb on Dec 30, 2023 10:24:14 GMT
Giving out and accepting titles like Knight Grand Cross, Knight Commander, Commander, Officer and Member, all of "the British Empire", whatever that is meant to mean in 2023, is like watching kiddies doing role re-enactment. All rather pathetic and sad and obsequious. The mental gymnastics and contortions some folk do to justify accepting one of these "honours" is as amusing as it is shameless. One actor just tweeted: "I am very honoured, genuinely humbled, to have been awarded an MBE not because I’m all about the Empire but because I believe in helping all young people access opportunities regardless of their backgrounds and this acknowledges that.". Well that's ok then. It's like something out of a Little Britain sketch.
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Post by Jan on Dec 30, 2023 11:42:28 GMT
Giving out and accepting titles like Knight Grand Cross, Knight Commander, Commander, Officer and Member, all of "the British Empire", whatever that is meant to mean in 2023, is like watching kiddies doing role re-enactment. All rather pathetic and sad and obsequious. The mental gymnastics and contortions some folk do to justify accepting one of these "honours" is as amusing as it shameless. One actor just tweeted: "I am very honoured, genuinely humbled, to have been awarded an MBE not because I’m all about the Empire but because I believe in helping all young people access opportunities regardless of their backgrounds and this acknowledges that.". Well that's ok then. It's like something out of a Little Britain sketch. Not theatre but here’s Professor John Edmunds on his Knighthood: “The scientist yesterday insisted he was a 'bit embarrassed' by the honour as he was 'not really one for the spotlight'.” That’s the same John Edmunds who was all over the TV, radio and newspapers during Covid in a personal capacity first promoting herd immunity and then changing his mind and promoting Zero Covid instead. A total rent-a-quote entirely one for the spotlight.
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Post by joem on Dec 30, 2023 12:31:19 GMT
Most of the people I know personally who've got an award over the years were either scoundrels or time-servers.
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