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Post by theatreian on Nov 15, 2022 10:01:33 GMT
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Post by robertb213 on Nov 15, 2022 10:18:06 GMT
Why does it need 6 weeks of Previews? Unless it's a typo.
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Post by mrnutz on Nov 15, 2022 11:37:51 GMT
Just booked for a Saturday night in June. Top price is currently £87.50, though premium seats don't seem to be on sale yet.
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Post by danb on Nov 15, 2022 11:58:39 GMT
That's Priscilla, Tootsie, Kinky Boots and To Wong Foo out then. I support trans rights but this isn't the right show to target. ...and every pantomime dame. I think it is pretty shabby to complain that this show makes fun of or somehow abuses trans rights. It has a story, a very specific reason for the cross dressing and has no ‘political’ agenda whatsoever. |
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Post by Seriously on Nov 15, 2022 12:08:50 GMT
The tweeter also said they hadn't actually seen the show.
So the possibility that the character and the audience might grow and learn through the course of the performance is completely ignored.
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Post by sph on Nov 15, 2022 12:17:57 GMT
The movie wasn't even a case of "laughing at a man in a dress" exactly anyway. The comedy came from the fact that Robin Williams was playing an elderly Scottish nanny. It was the accent, the mannerisms, the inappropriate behaviour. He wasn't a man who "decided to put on a dress so we all laughed at him".
I'm really unsure how the existence of this show even relates to the trans community, and I say that as someone who supports the trans community and has spoken supportively of them in the past on this very board.
I think there are certain people on twitter who elect themselves as the "voice" of the group of people they belong to, whether everyone else within that group agrees with them or not.
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Post by cezbear on Nov 15, 2022 12:18:13 GMT
The tweeter also said they hadn't actually seen the show. So the possibility that the character and the audience might grow and learn through the course of the performance is completely ignored. Well, nothing like getting all outraged about a thing you haven't even seen. |
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Post by stuartmcd on Nov 15, 2022 12:50:07 GMT
I find it bizarre that for the last several days many theatre “influencers” and profiles have been showing off their cakes and dressing gowns. Teasing the announcement. And now the announcements out they’re all denouncing the show as controversial, problematic and damaging.
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Post by og on Nov 15, 2022 13:03:36 GMT
I find it bizarre that for the last several days many theatre “influencers” and profiles have been showing off their cakes and dressing gowns. Teasing the announcement. And now the announcements out they’re all denouncing the show as controversial, problematic and damaging. Anything for clicks, thats how the machine works. Free swag is not provided under condition that effusive praise be returned. It's provided to get people talking about the show, which they are. Check the bloggers thread in General chat. |
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Post by stuartmcd on Nov 15, 2022 13:21:03 GMT
I find it bizarre that for the last several days many theatre “influencers” and profiles have been showing off their cakes and dressing gowns. Teasing the announcement. And now the announcements out they’re all denouncing the show as controversial, problematic and damaging. Anything for clicks, thats how the machine works. Free swag is not provided under condition that effusive praise be returned. It's provided to get people talking about the show, which they are. Check the bloggers thread in General chat. Yes but they have the choice over wether or not they show off the free stuff. If they feel so strongly about the negative aspects this show might have then why even mention it at all. I’ve just taken a look at one theatre twitter account where they showed pictures of the cake and picture of themselves in the dressing gown. In total there’s about 6 tweets from them teasing this announcement. And yet the announcement comes and they call the show inappropriate and damaging. Yet I can scroll down and see them happily wearing the dressing gown emblazoned with the shows logo. |
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Post by cezbear on Nov 15, 2022 13:48:17 GMT
If we're talking about ATD, I find the recent posts a bit disingenuous if I'm honest. Feels a bit like has wanted to quickly jump on a bandwagon (that doesn't actually exist) to be sure to be seen on the 'right' side of things. Perhaps i'm just extra cynical. But it comes across an awful lot like he's hedging his bets/covering his bases/insert your own expression here.
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Post by hadeswasking on Nov 15, 2022 14:23:08 GMT
Its a weird situation. These people seem to be agreeing that there is "probably" no content in the show specifically against the trans community (which as someone who saw the Manchester run. I was worried about this and there definitely wasn't.) The jokes don't rely on the "look at the man. He's in a dress" style of humour. The audience I saw it with were actually incredibly supportive and respectful.
I understand why the trans community might be worried but its all about how the audience interpert the show and how this COULD reflect badly on the trans community, which shouldn't be at the fault of the show.
It should be the fault on those people who recieve it that way, which seems incredibly hard to do considering the content of the show.
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Post by Jon on Nov 15, 2022 14:36:23 GMT
Its a weird situation. These people seem to be agreeing that there is "probably" no content in the show specifically against the trans community (which as someone who saw the Manchester run. I was worried about this and there definitely wasn't.) The jokes don't rely on the "look at the man. He's in a dress" style of humour. The audience I saw it with were actually incredibly supportive and respectful. I understand why the trans community might be worried but its all about how the audience interpert the show and how this COULD reflect badly on the trans community, which shouldn't be at the fault of the show. It should be the fault on those people who recieve it that way, which seems incredibly hard to do considering the content of the show. The thing about Mrs Doubtfire, it's not a man who's trans, cross dressing or a drag act. It's a disguise and a very elaborate one at that. |
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Nov 15, 2022 18:19:16 GMT
Tbh the majority of the discussion right now just seems to be about the tropes, pop-culture memory of the film, and the general assumption of what the show is rather than any actual issues the show has.
The line between what is transphobic, what is drag and what is a disguise (and which direction any humour is pointed) is an interesting discussion and an important one for modern day stories. But the idea that any piece of media with a cis man dress as a woman should be considered inherantly transphobic on face value seems a bit unnuanced imo.
Not that the worry is completely unfounded, transphobes have been using ‘man in a dress’ to mock trans women for decades. But right now the consensus that it’s offensive just seems to be based around an assumption that it’s kicking down to trans people rather than the actual content of the show
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Nov 15, 2022 18:24:12 GMT
Tbh the majority of the discussion right now just seems to be about the tropes, pop-culture memory of the film, and the general assumption of what the show is rather than any actual issues the show has. The line between what is transphobic, what is drag and what is a disguise (and which direction any humour is pointed) is an interesting discussion and an important one for modern day stories. But the idea that any piece of media with a cis man dress as a woman should be considered inherantly transphobic on face value seems a bit unnuanced imo. Not that the worry is completely unfounded, transphobes have been using ‘man in a dress’ to mock trans women for decades. But right now the consensus that it’s offensive just seems to be based around an assumption that it’s kicking down to trans people rather than the actual content of the show TL;DR these debates / discussions about narrative tropes in fiction and their potential unintentional effects on marginalised communities are probably more complex and nuanced than this show deserves. It’s Mrs Doubtfire, it’s probably not that deep! |
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Post by andypandy on Nov 16, 2022 7:18:22 GMT
Tbh the majority of the discussion right now just seems to be about the tropes, pop-culture memory of the film, and the general assumption of what the show is rather than any actual issues the show has. The line between what is transphobic, what is drag and what is a disguise (and which direction any humour is pointed) is an interesting discussion and an important one for modern day stories. But the idea that any piece of media with a cis man dress as a woman should be considered inherantly transphobic on face value seems a bit unnuanced imo. Not that the worry is completely unfounded, transphobes have been using ‘man in a dress’ to mock trans women for decades. But right now the consensus that it’s offensive just seems to be based around an assumption that it’s kicking down to trans people rather than the actual content of the show TL;DR these debates / discussions about narrative tropes in fiction and their potential unintentional effects on marginalised communities are probably more complex and nuanced than this show deserves. It’s Mrs Doubtfire, it’s probably not that deep! I saw the show in Manchester and it’s excellent. The show is about a DISGUISE and nothing else. Period. |
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Post by theatrefan62 on Nov 16, 2022 8:17:03 GMT
It's also not as if this is a brand new musical in terms of story. It's literally based off of a highly successful and classic 90s movie so even if you have never seen the movie, it's very easy to find to educate yourself.
If anything the shows biggest hurdle is no robin Williams, that's certainly the issue I've heard from people who have seen that this is coming. It could never match the movie.
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Post by Jon on Nov 16, 2022 15:02:50 GMT
It's also not as if this is a brand new musical in terms of story. It's literally based off of a highly successful and classic 90s movie so even if you have never seen the movie, it's very easy to find to educate yourself. If anything the shows biggest hurdle is no robin Williams, that's certainly the issue I've heard from people who have seen that this is coming. It could never match the movie. Aladdin worked without Robin Williams on stage but then the Genie is very different on stage than in the animated film. |
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Post by hadeswasking on Nov 16, 2022 15:05:01 GMT
It's also not as if this is a brand new musical in terms of story. It's literally based off of a highly successful and classic 90s movie so even if you have never seen the movie, it's very easy to find to educate yourself. If anything the shows biggest hurdle is no robin Williams, that's certainly the issue I've heard from people who have seen that this is coming. It could never match the movie. All the respect to the great Robin Williams, but Gabriel Vick brings so much to this role and will not disappoint on that front! |
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Post by theatrefan62 on Nov 16, 2022 15:13:48 GMT
It's also not as if this is a brand new musical in terms of story. It's literally based off of a highly successful and classic 90s movie so even if you have never seen the movie, it's very easy to find to educate yourself. If anything the shows biggest hurdle is no robin Williams, that's certainly the issue I've heard from people who have seen that this is coming. It could never match the movie. Aladdin worked without Robin Williams on stage but then the Genie is very different on stage than in the animated film. Exactly, it was very different. They adapted to help avoid inevitable comparisons. |
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Post by max on Nov 16, 2022 18:07:52 GMT
It's also not as if this is a brand new musical in terms of story. It's literally based off of a highly successful and classic 90s movie so even if you have never seen the movie, it's very easy to find to educate yourself. If anything the shows biggest hurdle is no robin Williams, that's certainly the issue I've heard from people who have seen that this is coming. It could never match the movie. All the respect to the great Robin Williams, but Gabriel Vick brings so much to this role and will not disappoint on that front! I've been following some of the Twitter discussion re the fear of a damaging elision between 'man dresses as a woman to get what he wants' and people who are transgender. That led me to watch a few clips of the original film (which I've never seen in full). There's some interesting footage on YouTube where they're screen testing Robin Williams' costume/make-up. Williams speaks in character (no Scottish accent yet) just chatting to studio hands - and being surprisingly non zany. It's sincere and rather real, in voice and stance. So much better than what he did in the film - the clips always put me off watching it. However, it was pretty safe I guess - it was Robin Williams in a dress; how Mrs D convinced his wife and kids, Lord knows. Of course in story world they're the only people in the world who don't know Robin Williams' shtick; but I can't get past it. Very pleased for Gabriel Vick having this high profile role, and I heard (on here no doubt) that he was very good in Manchester. |
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Nov 17, 2022 10:22:29 GMT
Now on general sale at the Shaftesbury. Book direct for lowest prices! Maximum is £87.50, lowest £25.00 back of the Grand Circle.
Front row of the stalls, where I've already booked two for early June, is selling fast as that's priced £55-£60 compared to £87.50 for the next ten rows. Slightly high stage but not too bad.
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Post by anita on Nov 17, 2022 10:38:17 GMT
Booked a front row seat direct with theatre.
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Post by mrnutz on Nov 17, 2022 13:02:00 GMT
Hats off to them for this (relatively!) reasonable pricing.
I'm looking at you, Lemons etc.
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Post by gwion on Nov 22, 2022 8:43:57 GMT
Hello. Does anyone knows how to get preview tickets for the show in London? Or aren't there any previews?
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