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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 5:26:30 GMT
Frozen was widely derided when it was on Broadway but given that most people now seem to think it’s the cats whiskers there’s nothing to say that Mrs D won’t be changed for it’s U.K. run. I mean, why wouldn’t they try to rectify any problems? Also, am I detecting a bit of the old “it’s not opening in London so it must be rubbish” attitude we’ve seen so often in the past? There generally is a lot of snobbishness about theatre and how London theatres are the ‘best’. Not that capacity determines this but London doesn’t even have the UKs largest theatre does it?! I see a lot of touring and regional productions and often prefer to West end shows. This 100% That said, referring back to burlybears comment, the thing with Mrs Doubtfire is although they could fix some things its unlikely the songs will change all that much and that for me was one of the bigger issues. Mrs Doubtfire is such a classic with an iconic (hate how overused that word is but fits here) performance by Robin Williams. It's such a mammoth task to musicalise it and make it have the same impact, satisfy the nostalgia of fans and also become its own thing. Frozens issues on broadway were more physical and easier to fix, the songs were already there and known.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 21, 2022 6:02:53 GMT
There generally is a lot of snobbishness about theatre and how London theatres are the ‘best’. Not that capacity determines this but London doesn’t even have the UKs largest theatre does it?! I see a lot of touring and regional productions and often prefer to West end shows. This 100% That said, referring back to burlybears comment, the thing with Mrs Doubtfire is although they could fix some things its unlikely the songs will change all that much and that for me was one of the bigger issues. Mrs Doubtfire is such a classic with an iconic (hate how overused that word is but fits here) performance by Robin Williams. It's such a mammoth task to musicalise it and make it have the same impact, satisfy the nostalgia of fans and also become its own thing. Frozens issues on broadway were more physical and easier to fix, the songs were already there and known. True, but you could say exactly the same about BTTF. The people enjoying it are enjoying it for different reasons than the quality of the songs. Pretty Woman - rubbish songs and yet still running. Sister Act - loved it the other week but the songs are not (imo) memorable. These film to musical crossovers already have the familiarity/nostalgia appeal that goes beyond traditional MT fans.
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Post by johnie21 on Jul 21, 2022 7:48:24 GMT
Do we think Cameron Blakely is doubtfire??
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Post by og on Jul 21, 2022 8:24:31 GMT
Only thing is we’ve not had a cast announcement so how do you know they are in the show? Forgot to mention the current Mrs Fleming in heathers is followed by the account and follows the account could she be Miranda Hillard?? I mean, the show's instagram follows 26 people/accounts. Many are seemingly random musical theatre actors. It would make sense that they are following people about to be associated with the show. And there are people on this board who work in theatre and have bits of inside knowledge... As for it opening first in Manchester, I think it's a great idea. If they want to rework the show from its Broadway incarnation it makes sense to have an "out-of-town-tryout" before bringing it to London. More shows should do this.In addition to &Juliet as oxfordsimon mentions, Bat out of Hell and Back to the Future also did the same, running at Manchester Opera House prior to the London run.
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Post by Being Alive on Jul 21, 2022 8:50:56 GMT
Do we think Cameron Blakely is doubtfire?? No...go back through this thread we've already confirmed who Doubtfire is
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Post by johnie21 on Jul 21, 2022 8:54:34 GMT
Do we think Cameron Blakely is doubtfire?? No...go back through this thread we've already confirmed who Doubtfire is Ah yes. I remember but I just wonder what role Cameron could be playing!
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Post by MusicalTalk on Jul 21, 2022 9:03:22 GMT
Well Simon Limpkin is doing elf - so that’s him off the list for this.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jul 21, 2022 21:19:31 GMT
I direct you back to my clue..
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Post by johnie21 on Jul 21, 2022 23:08:01 GMT
I direct you back to my clue.. Gabriel?? 😂😂
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Post by WireHangers on Jul 22, 2022 1:59:49 GMT
Is there a part of the show that requires the male ensemble to be as ripped as they are? Because there are A LOT of ripped men in this ensemble.
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Post by theatrenerd on Jul 22, 2022 10:30:29 GMT
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 22, 2022 11:14:57 GMT
Well done Gabriel Vick!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 11:43:23 GMT
Ugh Marcus Collins really? Oh well just when this board as moved on from Rodneys antics in cinderella we get Marcus in Mrs doubtfire lol
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jul 22, 2022 19:40:33 GMT
Ugh Marcus Collins really? Oh well just when this board as moved on from Rodneys antics in cinderella we get Marcus in Mrs doubtfire lol Yea that’s a bit disappointing.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 23, 2022 7:26:18 GMT
Don’t worry, he’ll probably not bother turning up anyway 😀
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Post by cezbear on Jul 23, 2022 7:46:19 GMT
Does Marcus have history of behaving badly? I'm not familiar with him.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 23, 2022 8:13:01 GMT
There have been issues with Marcus. He got cast in Joseph but pulled out days before it was due to open, got cast in Hairspray but barely showed up (and took credit on Twitter for the understudy’s performance). Then there was Hair, the Hope Mill production that became the 50th anniversary tour… barely showed up for that but was spotted doing Glasto. That kinda thing.
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Post by cezbear on Jul 23, 2022 8:31:32 GMT
Excellent stuff, sounds like his understudy will have a good gig then.
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Post by danb on Jul 23, 2022 9:23:33 GMT
He’s hardly a saleable name? Why bother going through the pain?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 13:20:55 GMT
He’s hardly a saleable name? Why bother going through the pain? Ah but in his head he is lol
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Post by esteveyb on Jul 24, 2022 16:52:04 GMT
There have been issues with Marcus. He got cast in Joseph but pulled out days before it was due to open, got cast in Hairspray but barely showed up (and took credit on Twitter for the understudy’s performance). Then there was Hair, the Hope Mill production that became the 50th anniversary tour… barely showed up for that but was spotted doing Glasto. That kinda thing. Had no idea about this - cause literally months after he was due to finish the Joseph run, he became one of the angels and cover Lola in Kinky Boots at the Adelphi - every time I went, he was on (and I went a lot!)!
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Post by johnie21 on Aug 19, 2022 17:00:47 GMT
Do we think Manchester cast will stay the same for west end?? I'm gutted I can't be there in Manchester
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Post by sph on Aug 19, 2022 22:25:03 GMT
Do we think Manchester cast will stay the same for west end?? I'm gutted I can't be there in Manchester I would imagine so. Unless there are drastic problems with the casting which become apparent in the tryout, but this is rare.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Aug 19, 2022 22:53:41 GMT
I really doubt this will make it to the west end at all.
The show is terrible, and it’s not selling well in Manchester. It would take a minor miracle for it to get good reviews, let alone raves.
Also they cannot currently get a theatre in London.
If you’re bothered about seeing it- I’d suggest making that trip to Manchester.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 1:46:42 GMT
Is there a part of the show that requires the male ensemble to be as ripped as they are? Because there are A LOT of ripped men in this ensemble. In this version, Miranda and Stuart are creating an exercise line of clothing and the first half of Act Two is all about that, featuring models and work out scenes. In the show's weakest moment, they get Mrs. Doubtfire to model some of it "for seniors". I'm rolling my eyes, if you can't tell. It was painful. There's also a LOT of different styles of dancing, so I'd imagine they need a variety of really fit dancers.
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Post by TallPaul on Aug 20, 2022 9:17:02 GMT
There's also a LOT of different styles of dancing, so I'd imagine they need a variety of really fit dancers. Paging david .
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Post by stagebyte on Aug 20, 2022 9:38:05 GMT
I mean, the show's instagram follows 26 people/accounts. Many are seemingly random musical theatre actors. It would make sense that they are following people about to be associated with the show. And there are people on this board who work in theatre and have bits of inside knowledge... As for it opening first in Manchester, I think it's a great idea. If they want to rework the show from its Broadway incarnation it makes sense to have an "out-of-town-tryout" before bringing it to London. More shows should do this.In addition to &Juliet as oxfordsimon mentions, Bat out of Hell and Back to the Future also did the same, running at Manchester Opera House prior to the London run. I know this is the norm but I have a bit of a problem ‘trying out’ shows in the regions. Top price seats in Manchester for BTTF and Bat were between £120 and £95. If you’re going to test a show out on us regional plebs before deeming it suitable for the ‘bright lights of the glittering west end’ at least charge accordingly. All the discounted seats are in London not regional theatres. And isn’t this playing into the idea that a production has to be perfect for the west end but can be treated as some sort of ‘suck it and see’ experiment for the rest of us? By all means play with a show to your hearts content but charge a today’s tix bargain bucket £25 for it when doing so?
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Post by david on Aug 20, 2022 9:39:11 GMT
There's also a LOT of different styles of dancing, so I'd imagine they need a variety of really fit dancers. Paging david . Glad I've booked for this now TallPaul! I am willing to offer my dancing skills if required.
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Post by og on Aug 20, 2022 9:49:12 GMT
In addition to &Juliet as oxfordsimon mentions, Bat out of Hell and Back to the Future also did the same, running at Manchester Opera House prior to the London run. I know this is the norm but I have a bit of a problem ‘trying out’ shows in the regions. Top price seats in Manchester for BTTF and Bat were between £120 and £95. If you’re going to test a show out on us regional plebs before deeming it suitable for the ‘bright lights of the glittering west end’ at least charge accordingly. All the discounted seats are in London not regional theatres. And isn’t this playing into the idea that a production has to be perfect for the west end but can be treated as some sort of ‘suck it and see’ experiment for the rest of us? By all means play with a show to your hearts content but charge a today’s tix bargain bucket £25 for it when doing so? Cant agree with this I'm afraid. Yes, there were full price premium seats on sale, but a show trying out still needs to cover its development and running costs, and those eager to book early, big fans etc, will pay premium prices up front regardless. Also these shows usually open in a very good state. Tight and well rehearsed. I've not seen a "tryout" that's not been worthy of a big ticket. It's not like they're opening in the workshop stage, where half the cast are still on book. That said, I saw BOAH, BTTF and &J for £13 a-piece in premium seats - so bargain bucket tickets are very much there to be had, at a better rate than TT.
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Post by stagebyte on Aug 20, 2022 9:59:17 GMT
I know this is the norm but I have a bit of a problem ‘trying out’ shows in the regions. Top price seats in Manchester for BTTF and Bat were between £120 and £95. If you’re going to test a show out on us regional plebs before deeming it suitable for the ‘bright lights of the glittering west end’ at least charge accordingly. All the discounted seats are in London not regional theatres. And isn’t this playing into the idea that a production has to be perfect for the west end but can be treated as some sort of ‘suck it and see’ experiment for the rest of us? By all means play with a show to your hearts content but charge a today’s tix bargain bucket £25 for it when doing so? Cant agree with this I'm afraid. Yes, there were full price premium seats on sale, but a show trying out still needs to cover its development and running costs, and those eager to book early, big fans etc, will pay premium prices up front regardless. Also these shows usually open in a very good state. Tight and well rehearsed. I've not seen a "tryout" that's not been worthy of a big ticket. It's not like they're opening in the workshop stage, where half the cast are still on book. That said, I saw BOAH, BTTF and &J for £13 a-piece in premium seats - so bargain bucket tickets are very much there to be had, at a better rate than TT. I was lucky enough to see all three in premium seats and yes they were all wonderful. There were also acres of seats remaining due to the prices and size of the theatre. Hence the subsequent bargains. I’m not talking specifically about those shows. What I’m trying to say is there’s this idea that shows should be ‘tried out’ in the less important regions before being deemed worthy of a west end transfer. Both BTTF and BOOH were great from the off. If Mrs Doubtfire needs a complete overhaul as some here are saying charge accordingly. The regions are just as deserving of a ‘finished’ show.
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