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Post by poster J on Oct 4, 2021 16:52:49 GMT
Theatres don't need to flag things in advance for well known texts. But why shouldn't they? What harm is it doing to you or to anyone else who already knows the play? As opposed to the good it might do to someone not familiar with it at all? It is rather presumptive to think that everyone knows the plot of any Shakespeare play, even the most famous - the sad truth is that some (possibly even many) people worldwide are not fortunate enough to grow up in the type of environment where they would know of it. So I really don't understand why anyone has any issue with a trigger warning being on any piece, regardless of what it is.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 4, 2021 17:00:22 GMT
R&J has been performed for 400 years with content warnings and I am not aware of any evidence at all of anyone suffering as a result.
The question is whether warnings are actually of genuine help or are a response to a culture of over-sensitivity that seems to exist in a certain groups.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Oct 4, 2021 17:25:43 GMT
R&J has been performed for 400 years with content warnings and I am not aware of any evidence at all of anyone suffering as a result. The question is whether warnings are actually of genuine help or are a response to a culture of over-sensitivity that seems to exist in a certain groups. You could easily just go and ask actual rape survivors, people who have been sex trafficked, people who have lost loved ones to homicide or suicide, people who have been in mass shootings or lost loved ones to masks shootings, people with PTSD, people who grew up in war zones, or people who have experienced any other form of trauma. Because if you bothered to actually talk to a single person who these content warnings are aimed at, you’d quickly learn that not only are they a “genuine help” to actual rape/violence survivors, they literally save lives. I have a close friend who was kidnapped and escaped sex trafficking as a young teen, now has C-PTSD, who attempted suicide after seeing a play that was triggering and feeling physically trapped in the middle of a row. When I was at doing my A Levels one of the set texts was about incest, several students requested a change of text. I was a teacher for a few years, every time I taught a classic text that had violence or suicide in it, I’d have at least a couple of students who became very distressed because of personal experience. I live in an area with high gang crime. Two teenagers were stabbed to death right outside my house and this isn’t rare. I bet those kids’ friends would have a very different reaction to R&J. I could give a hundred examples of people suffering real mental health problems due to PTSD triggers. The idea that in 400 years of performance, not one single teenager who’d lost a loved one to suicide or homicide was dragged on a school trip to see R&J, is simply implausible. To say “I’m not aware of it” is just plain weird - how much first hand contact do you have with kids living in areas with high rates of gang violence?! The fact that oppressed groups are most likely to have experienced violence, rape, gang violence, etc. means they are the most likely to need content warnings. It’s only ever people (usually men) from safe comfortable backgrounds who go around whining about how people are special snowflakes.
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Post by poster J on Oct 4, 2021 18:16:19 GMT
R&J has been performed for 400 years with content warnings and I am not aware of any evidence at all of anyone suffering as a result. The question is whether warnings are actually of genuine help or are a response to a culture of over-sensitivity that seems to exist in a certain groups. Are you aware of everyone on the planet? No. So I ask again, what harm does it do to you to have trigger warnings? Because right now your responses are astonishingly selfish and ignorant, never mind I could list a whole load of things that were acceptable 400 years ago that aren't now, because funnily enough times have changed. Who are you to decide what is over-sensitive and what isn't? Good grief.
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Post by eua78 on Oct 4, 2021 18:36:53 GMT
Who minds if there is a trigger warning, doesn’t affect the play in anyway and doesn’t add to run time etc. It’s just a note on the website or programme. Adding a trigger warning isn’t ‘woke’ 😂
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 4, 2021 20:32:47 GMT
It is Woke HQ and has been hijacked by the radical left and has lost its spark. Comments like that are the reason this thread (and to an extent this forum) has derailed. Throwing around terms you clearly don't understand as insults to people who think progressively (as well as a generalisation about the wrong group of people) is never going to be left without comment. It's the same reason no sensible, forward-thinking person reads (or at least takes seriously or pays any heed to) the Daily Mail anymore - it is all laxy and mostly inaccurate generalisations and insults by commentators who aim to cause controversy that do nothing to forward any debate and instead succeed only in making the person using them seem intolerant and unable to think for themselves, regardless of whether that is actually true or not. I didn't create the thread, so all is not well in Lambeth and certainly don't read the Daily Mail, neither did I bring up the Daily Mail. I do read the Guardian though. Someone else on here brought up the recent attendance, which has dropped alarmingly. Theatre is like a restaurant, in respect to if the customer doesn't like it they just don't write in to complain, they simply don't go back. I have been to all 5 of the Globe's production this year, I suspect though you haven't, so I have got some form and can comment, the wooden benches are not the only thing that was uncomfortable. I stand by what I said and the Globe theatre is all about Shakespeare done brilliantly. I saw Romeo and Julliet at the Globe which I despised, I also saw the same play at the Open Air which I enjoyed and Isabel Adomakoh Young who played Juliet was astonishing and should be nominated and if not win the Olivier.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 4, 2021 20:35:31 GMT
Having trigger warning is a very good thing and if someone wants to click on the link on the shows page, I don't have a problem with that.
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Post by Jan on Oct 5, 2021 19:28:53 GMT
It is Woke HQ and has been hijacked by the radical left and has lost its spark. Comments like that are the reason this thread (and to an extent this forum) has derailed. Throwing around terms you clearly don't understand as insults to people who think progressively (as well as a generalisation about the wrong group of people) is never going to be left without comment. It's the same reason no sensible, forward-thinking person reads (or at least takes seriously or pays any heed to) the Daily Mail anymore - it is all laxy and mostly inaccurate generalisations and insults by commentators who aim to cause controversy that do nothing to forward any debate and instead succeed only in making the person using them seem intolerant and unable to think for themselves, regardless of whether that is actually true or not. Sounds like you read the Daily Mail a lot though as you’re so familiar with what’s in it ? Why ? They should print trigger warnings. Personally I regard the Daily Mail and the Guardian as two sides of the same bigoted coin.
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