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Post by londonpostie on Sept 26, 2021 8:38:26 GMT
Under Michelle Terry, it became Woke HQ 2-3 years ago or even longer now. There's an audience for it but, for now at least, only small venues, imo. What do you mean when you say woke? I remember going to a bunch of Globe productions a few years ago before Michelle was the Artist Director. And if you mean had a variety of a cast members in the production it was like that when I went. Because that's all woke means is awareness racial prejudice & discrimination and awareness of social inequality within gender and sexual orientation. How can anyone be against that.
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Sept 27, 2021 10:38:25 GMT
What do you mean when you say woke? I remember going to a bunch of Globe productions a few years ago before Michelle was the Artist Director. And if you mean had a variety of a cast members in the production it was like that when I went. Because that's all woke means is awareness racial prejudice & discrimination and awareness of social inequality within gender and sexual orientation. How can anyone be against that.
I can't watch this video on my phone. I am just wanting to know what parts of the Globe productions over the few years that you are concidering woke? Just say it as it is. |
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Post by cavocado on Sept 27, 2021 11:26:58 GMT
I don't really understand the 'woke' comment either, because it can mean a few different things, so looking it up (or the video) doesn't help explain. Do you mean e.g.
Gender/race/disability-blind casting?
Productions that focus on themes relating to current social issues like racism or teen knife crime?
FOH things like gender-neutral loos? (Which I don't recall them having, but I would find off-putting)
Media relations-type things like speaking out on social/political issues that might seem unrelated to running a theatre?
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 27, 2021 11:38:18 GMT
Woke like snowflake for me are just meaningless as the definition lies primarily with the one throwing the accusation rather than it’s true meaning.
It appears to have been a term from the black community appropriated by the mainstream to mean those who were self-aware, questioning the dominant paradigm and striving for something better as in woken up or living life with your eyes wide open. (Awoke)
In line with this description Shakespeare would be considered woke and therefore no better place than the Globe for this to be celebrated.
As one who is self-aware, questioning of the dominant paradigm and striving for something better I am proud to be woke and these are the principles in my opinion that make great Theatre.
Suppose the corollary is sleep, a term I would find much more insulting as it would indicate that I am shallow, subservient to those perceived to know better and a fear of change. (Asleep)
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Post by digne on Sept 27, 2021 13:12:16 GMT
I can't watch this video on my phone. I am just wanting to know what parts of the Globe productions over the few years that you are concidering woke? Just say it as it is. It's an account that just got suspended by twitter for a day for spreading disinformation, btw. |
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Post by lynette on Oct 1, 2021 13:45:25 GMT
This is an interesting thread though broadening out from The Globe discussion to include other theatres and whether they have lost the spark or are lacking audiences and for what reason. We could start a new thread - anybody? Just to say that my friends in my age group, have not been to the theatre for nearly two years now. Take this on to whole of my age group, the old guard of the grey headed regulars, and you can see the problem. It combines, fear of infection (despite being double jabbed) not just in the theatre but transport to it and general argy bargy of eating, queuing, toilets etc. And dare I say it, what is on offer, what is tempting , unmissable, something not seen before or seen before and want to see similar again. Overcoming all this will take time. I notice on my forays that mask wearing on the tube is patchy and it is as crowded almost as it used to be. Anecdotal bad experiences go round like wild fire.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 14:30:16 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. This is just the type of comment you would find in the Daily Mail comments section |
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 1, 2021 14:54:56 GMT
This is an interesting thread though broadening out from The Globe discussion to include other theatres and whether they have lost the spark or are lacking audiences and for what reason. We could start a new thread - anybody? Just to say that my friends in my age group, have not been to the theatre for nearly two years now. Take this on to whole of my age group, the old guard of the grey headed regulars, and you can see the problem. It combines, fear of infection (despite being double jabbed) not just in the theatre but transport to it and general argy bargy of eating, queuing, toilets etc. And dare I say it, what is on offer, what is tempting , unmissable, something not seen before or seen before and want to see similar again. Overcoming all this will take time. I notice on my forays that mask wearing on the tube is patchy and it is as crowded almost as it used to be. Anecdotal bad experiences go round like wild fire.
I've been pondering this as my aunt is in a similar position. The data for double-vaxxed generally looks great, and for those double-vaxxed without pre-exisiting even better but it can be an emotional transition more than anything else.
Very difficult times.
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 1, 2021 15:17:09 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. This is just the type of comment you would find in the Daily Mail comments section
For those not particularity familiar with our new woke friends, this last post provides a useful primer. So ..
No personal view is expressed Allegiance to the group is signalled The person quoted is not attacked for what they say
The key focus - as per social media-based control/manipulation - is to undermine reputation and status. And .. to let everyone else know there is a new sherriff in town and if you don't want your reputation and status challenged, be careful.
Loosely-speaking, you may see shades of marxist group identity and, maybe further down the road, glimpses of the Cultural Revolution.
It's bullying for the internet kids 
And if all that sounds like bollix, stand back and watch ..
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Post by cavocado on Oct 1, 2021 18:33:32 GMT
This is an interesting thread though broadening out from The Globe discussion to include other theatres and whether they have lost the spark or are lacking audiences and for what reason. We could start a new thread - anybody? Just to say that my friends in my age group, have not been to the theatre for nearly two years now. Take this on to whole of my age group, the old guard of the grey headed regulars, and you can see the problem. It combines, fear of infection (despite being double jabbed) not just in the theatre but transport to it and general argy bargy of eating, queuing, toilets etc. And dare I say it, what is on offer, what is tempting , unmissable, something not seen before or seen before and want to see similar again. Overcoming all this will take time. I notice on my forays that mask wearing on the tube is patchy and it is as crowded almost as it used to be. Anecdotal bad experiences go round like wild fire. Lots of people still working from home too, so going to the theatre now involves the time and cost of travelling in rather than just going after work. |
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Post by Jan on Oct 1, 2021 19:18:26 GMT
I’m not in the slightest bit bothered by people not wearing masks on crowded tubes or in the theatre so that doesn’t stop me going. However, one consequence of the pandemic is I’m simply not interested in seeing earnest worthy serious hand-wringing miserable plays about political issues as staged by Norris and his subsidised chums. Put a few light comedies or farces on instead and I’ll be more inclined to go.
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Post by Jan on Oct 1, 2021 19:20:33 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. This is just the type of comment you would find in the Daily Mail comments section And that’s just the type of comment you’d find in the Guardian comments section. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Oct 1, 2021 20:05:25 GMT
And dare I say it, what is on offer, what is tempting , unmissable, something not seen before or seen before and want to see similar again. It's hardly surprising that if you're risking your life every time you go to the theatre you'd only be going for things that you really want to see! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 21:44:01 GMT
This is just the type of comment you would find in the Daily Mail comments section
For those not particularity familiar with our new woke friends, this last post provides a useful primer. So ..
No personal view is expressed Allegiance to the group is signalled The person quoted is not attacked for what they say
The key focus - as per social media-based control/manipulation - is to undermine reputation and status. And .. to let everyone else know there is a new sherriff in town and if you don't want your reputation and status challenged, be careful.
Loosely-speaking, you may see shades of marxist group identity and, maybe further down the road, glimpses of the Cultural Revolution.
It's bullying for the internet kids
And if all that sounds like bollix, stand back and watch ..
You got all that from what i wrote? Social media based control and maipulation?? OK.... |
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 1, 2021 22:40:56 GMT
Also, this snide comment (Response: “Go along. Experience it. Form a view.”) Also this sneering comment And this
Same point: no views expressed. Only judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 1:23:11 GMT
Can I ask what that means in terms of the plays at the globe? I've not been there in a few years. How is that a snide comment? It was a genuine question. And according to your response, How am I meant to form a view on something, if I didn't understand the point they were making in the first place? And you felt some of my comments were judgemental? Well, At least you read some of them right. |
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 2, 2021 11:16:18 GMT
It was snide because it was a set-up. As your response to the reply showed.
As for the rest, no one needs you to frame their comments in terms of Youtube, the Daily Mail, and whatever else.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 2, 2021 11:27:50 GMT
I think if someone complains about a theatre being 'Woke' without qualifying why they feel that or giving examples, then it's fair for other posters to question that.
'Woke' seems to have been appropriated from being a positive phase by black activists, to being used by bores like Piers Moron being contrarian. It's fine to criticise aspects of the globes programme of course but using the term 'woke' isnt particularly illuminating
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Oct 2, 2021 17:36:05 GMT
Also, this snide comment (Response: “Go along. Experience it. Form a view.”) Also this sneering comment And this
Same point: no views expressed. Only judgement.
Just please can you answer what is woke mean to you in relation to the Globe productions. There is no judgement. I just want to know. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 2, 2021 17:45:49 GMT
People go to the Globe to see Shakespeare done very well, that is the purpose of that theatre isn’t it, along with the RSC.
Even before the pandemic the Globe has suffered an alarming drop in attendance. I have seen all 5 of their plays this year and have been disappointed by all 5, as were the people who walked out during the performance, which I have seen more than ever this year, even with a limited social distanced audience.
Wouldn’t it be great if the Globe attracted more people and actually payed their ushers instead.
Indeed the Globe has lost its spark
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 3, 2021 0:28:06 GMT
Go along. Experience it. Form a view.
That's the response that all 'free thinkers' say on the internet, when they have done their own 'research' i.e watching a video on youtube. But then gives you a platform to attack me and another poster from someone who freely hasn’t been to the Globe in several years, but has a right to judge. Your comments are a disgrace. Greenhouses and stones come to mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 5:54:25 GMT
But then gives you a platform to attack me and another poster from someone who freely hasn’t been to the Globe in several years, but has a right to judge. Your comments are a disgrace. Greenhouses and stones come to mind. Attack you? By saying it was like a comment in the Daily Mail? *eye roll* That's just insulting to people who have ACTUALLY been attacked.
And you were THAT offended, my comments are a disgrace?? You don't seem to have a problem throwing insults like 'woke' and 'radical left' around though
Now what were you saying about GLASS houses?
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Post by lynette on Oct 3, 2021 12:01:03 GMT
Guys play nice please.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 3, 2021 23:53:39 GMT
No I am being called out and quoted by someone that hasn’t set foot in that theatre for years but has the temerity to criticise me who has actively attended. If you think what they’re doing is so brilliant can I suggest you go down and support them, in there ever dwindling attendance and then maybe you can form a cohesive opinion.
It is Woke HQ and has been hijacked by the radical left and has lost its spark.
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