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Post by lynette on Oct 1, 2021 13:45:25 GMT
This is an interesting thread though broadening out from The Globe discussion to include other theatres and whether they have lost the spark or are lacking audiences and for what reason. We could start a new thread - anybody? Just to say that my friends in my age group, have not been to the theatre for nearly two years now. Take this on to whole of my age group, the old guard of the grey headed regulars, and you can see the problem. It combines, fear of infection (despite being double jabbed) not just in the theatre but transport to it and general argy bargy of eating, queuing, toilets etc. And dare I say it, what is on offer, what is tempting , unmissable, something not seen before or seen before and want to see similar again. Overcoming all this will take time. I notice on my forays that mask wearing on the tube is patchy and it is as crowded almost as it used to be. Anecdotal bad experiences go round like wild fire.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 14:30:16 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. This is just the type of comment you would find in the Daily Mail comments section
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 1, 2021 14:54:56 GMT
This is an interesting thread though broadening out from The Globe discussion to include other theatres and whether they have lost the spark or are lacking audiences and for what reason. We could start a new thread - anybody? Just to say that my friends in my age group, have not been to the theatre for nearly two years now. Take this on to whole of my age group, the old guard of the grey headed regulars, and you can see the problem. It combines, fear of infection (despite being double jabbed) not just in the theatre but transport to it and general argy bargy of eating, queuing, toilets etc. And dare I say it, what is on offer, what is tempting , unmissable, something not seen before or seen before and want to see similar again. Overcoming all this will take time. I notice on my forays that mask wearing on the tube is patchy and it is as crowded almost as it used to be. Anecdotal bad experiences go round like wild fire.
I've been pondering this as my aunt is in a similar position. The data for double-vaxxed generally looks great, and for those double-vaxxed without pre-exisiting even better but it can be an emotional transition more than anything else.
Very difficult times.
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 1, 2021 15:17:09 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. This is just the type of comment you would find in the Daily Mail comments section
For those not particularity familiar with our new woke friends, this last post provides a useful primer. So ..
No personal view is expressed Allegiance to the group is signalled The person quoted is not attacked for what they say
The key focus - as per social media-based control/manipulation - is to undermine reputation and status. And .. to let everyone else know there is a new sherriff in town and if you don't want your reputation and status challenged, be careful.
Loosely-speaking, you may see shades of marxist group identity and, maybe further down the road, glimpses of the Cultural Revolution.
It's bullying for the internet kids
And if all that sounds like bollix, stand back and watch ..
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Post by cavocado on Oct 1, 2021 18:33:32 GMT
This is an interesting thread though broadening out from The Globe discussion to include other theatres and whether they have lost the spark or are lacking audiences and for what reason. We could start a new thread - anybody? Just to say that my friends in my age group, have not been to the theatre for nearly two years now. Take this on to whole of my age group, the old guard of the grey headed regulars, and you can see the problem. It combines, fear of infection (despite being double jabbed) not just in the theatre but transport to it and general argy bargy of eating, queuing, toilets etc. And dare I say it, what is on offer, what is tempting , unmissable, something not seen before or seen before and want to see similar again. Overcoming all this will take time. I notice on my forays that mask wearing on the tube is patchy and it is as crowded almost as it used to be. Anecdotal bad experiences go round like wild fire. Lots of people still working from home too, so going to the theatre now involves the time and cost of travelling in rather than just going after work.
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Post by Jan on Oct 1, 2021 19:18:26 GMT
I’m not in the slightest bit bothered by people not wearing masks on crowded tubes or in the theatre so that doesn’t stop me going. However, one consequence of the pandemic is I’m simply not interested in seeing earnest worthy serious hand-wringing miserable plays about political issues as staged by Norris and his subsidised chums. Put a few light comedies or farces on instead and I’ll be more inclined to go.
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Post by Jan on Oct 1, 2021 19:20:33 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. This is just the type of comment you would find in the Daily Mail comments section And that’s just the type of comment you’d find in the Guardian comments section.
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Post by Dawnstar on Oct 1, 2021 20:05:25 GMT
And dare I say it, what is on offer, what is tempting , unmissable, something not seen before or seen before and want to see similar again. It's hardly surprising that if you're risking your life every time you go to the theatre you'd only be going for things that you really want to see!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 21:44:01 GMT
This is just the type of comment you would find in the Daily Mail comments section
For those not particularity familiar with our new woke friends, this last post provides a useful primer. So ..
No personal view is expressed Allegiance to the group is signalled The person quoted is not attacked for what they say
The key focus - as per social media-based control/manipulation - is to undermine reputation and status. And .. to let everyone else know there is a new sherriff in town and if you don't want your reputation and status challenged, be careful.
Loosely-speaking, you may see shades of marxist group identity and, maybe further down the road, glimpses of the Cultural Revolution.
It's bullying for the internet kids
And if all that sounds like bollix, stand back and watch ..
You got all that from what i wrote? Social media based control and maipulation?? OK....
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 1, 2021 22:40:56 GMT
Also, this snide comment (Response: “Go along. Experience it. Form a view.”) Also this sneering comment And this
Same point: no views expressed. Only judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 1:23:11 GMT
Can I ask what that means in terms of the plays at the globe? I've not been there in a few years. How is that a snide comment? It was a genuine question. And according to your response, How am I meant to form a view on something, if I didn't understand the point they were making in the first place? And you felt some of my comments were judgemental? Well, At least you read some of them right.
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 2, 2021 11:16:18 GMT
It was snide because it was a set-up. As your response to the reply showed.
As for the rest, no one needs you to frame their comments in terms of Youtube, the Daily Mail, and whatever else.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 2, 2021 11:27:50 GMT
I think if someone complains about a theatre being 'Woke' without qualifying why they feel that or giving examples, then it's fair for other posters to question that.
'Woke' seems to have been appropriated from being a positive phase by black activists, to being used by bores like Piers Moron being contrarian. It's fine to criticise aspects of the globes programme of course but using the term 'woke' isnt particularly illuminating
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 16:00:40 GMT
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Oct 2, 2021 17:36:05 GMT
Also, this snide comment (Response: “Go along. Experience it. Form a view.”) Also this sneering comment And this
Same point: no views expressed. Only judgement.
Just please can you answer what is woke mean to you in relation to the Globe productions. There is no judgement. I just want to know.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 2, 2021 17:45:49 GMT
People go to the Globe to see Shakespeare done very well, that is the purpose of that theatre isn’t it, along with the RSC.
Even before the pandemic the Globe has suffered an alarming drop in attendance. I have seen all 5 of their plays this year and have been disappointed by all 5, as were the people who walked out during the performance, which I have seen more than ever this year, even with a limited social distanced audience.
Wouldn’t it be great if the Globe attracted more people and actually payed their ushers instead.
Indeed the Globe has lost its spark
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 3, 2021 0:28:06 GMT
Go along. Experience it. Form a view.
That's the response that all 'free thinkers' say on the internet, when they have done their own 'research' i.e watching a video on youtube. But then gives you a platform to attack me and another poster from someone who freely hasn’t been to the Globe in several years, but has a right to judge. Your comments are a disgrace. Greenhouses and stones come to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 5:54:25 GMT
But then gives you a platform to attack me and another poster from someone who freely hasn’t been to the Globe in several years, but has a right to judge. Your comments are a disgrace. Greenhouses and stones come to mind. Attack you? By saying it was like a comment in the Daily Mail? *eye roll* That's just insulting to people who have ACTUALLY been attacked.
And you were THAT offended, my comments are a disgrace?? You don't seem to have a problem throwing insults like 'woke' and 'radical left' around though
Now what were you saying about GLASS houses?
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Post by lynette on Oct 3, 2021 12:01:03 GMT
Guys play nice please.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 3, 2021 23:53:39 GMT
No I am being called out and quoted by someone that hasn’t set foot in that theatre for years but has the temerity to criticise me who has actively attended. If you think what they’re doing is so brilliant can I suggest you go down and support them, in there ever dwindling attendance and then maybe you can form a cohesive opinion.
It is Woke HQ and has been hijacked by the radical left and has lost its spark.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 0:21:01 GMT
What does me not going to the Globe for a few years have to do with my comment about you and the daily mail?
And because you HAVE been to The Globe, you can't be criticised??
Regardless of that, we have now come full circle and back to the comment you made originally, which i, and others in this thread, didn't understand. Regardless of what other posters might claim, it was a genuine question when i asked what you meant by: "It is Woke HQ and has been hijacked by the radical left and has lost its spark"
Honestly, if someone doesn't know what you're referring to, how can someone form an opinion on that same thing.
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Oct 4, 2021 6:49:52 GMT
It is Woke HQ and has been hijacked by the radical left and has lost its spark. What does woke mean when you are saying it in these terms about the Globe? How has it been hijacked by the radical left? Please can someone who just tell me the facts what is it about the productions/venue.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 4, 2021 7:06:40 GMT
There was some idiotic press that Romeo & Juliet had been hijacked by the woke left due to its focus on mental health, patriarchy and youth violence which was picked up by the right wing twitterati who believe that the National Trust is evil personified and statues are more important than what they represent.
It was obviously written by someone who had no appreciation of Shakespeare as the article said politics has no place in Shakespeare which for anyone who has even only touched the edges of Shakespeare knows he is one if not the most political playwrights if not the most and all of his plays have a political edge that can either be magnified or submerged.
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Post by poster J on Oct 4, 2021 8:15:46 GMT
It is Woke HQ and has been hijacked by the radical left and has lost its spark. Comments like that are the reason this thread (and to an extent this forum) has derailed. Throwing around terms you clearly don't understand as insults to people who think progressively (as well as a generalisation about the wrong group of people) is never going to be left without comment. It's the same reason no sensible, forward-thinking person reads (or at least takes seriously or pays any heed to) the Daily Mail anymore - it is all laxy and mostly inaccurate generalisations and insults by commentators who aim to cause controversy that do nothing to forward any debate and instead succeed only in making the person using them seem intolerant and unable to think for themselves, regardless of whether that is actually true or not.
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Post by peggs on Oct 4, 2021 9:20:01 GMT
Well I live streamed midsummers' last sat and there were a few little glitches so they shared the recording again last week which I thought was very decent. I re watched over the weekend and it made my evenings most sparky.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 4, 2021 11:58:11 GMT
The kerfuffle over the recent R&J was not thr focus on youth violence or anything else in the play.
It was the warnings about the play featuring suicide and the provision of support line numbers to audience members
Providing content warnings on a piece that old and well known does seem unnecessary to me.
It is actions like that which feel very well-meaning on the part of the theatre that will provoke remarks from certain media outlets. Perhaps that is what the Globe wanted. It is certainly what the Globe should have expected.
I genuinely do not believe that warnings are necessary on a piece like R&J. New writing is different. But a 400+ year old play that has been performed in every part of the world and adapted into every conceivable art form cannot come as a surprise to audience members at the Globe.
30 seconds on Google tells you whether or not you would find the content genuinely triggering.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 4, 2021 12:35:24 GMT
The kerfuffle over the recent R&J was not thr focus on youth violence or anything else in the play. It was the warnings about the play featuring suicide and the provision of support line numbers to audience members Providing content warnings on a piece that old and well known does seem unnecessary to me. It is actions like that which feel very well-meaning on the part of the theatre that will provoke remarks from certain media outlets. Perhaps that is what the Globe wanted. It is certainly what the Globe should have expected. I genuinely do not believe that warnings are necessary on a piece like R&J. New writing is different. But a 400+ year old play that has been performed in every part of the world and adapted into every conceivable art form cannot come as a surprise to audience members at the Globe. 30 seconds on Google tells you whether or not you would find the content genuinely triggering. But... even that doesn't sound like a reason why they should be lambasted tbh. It may help people in the audience who connect with the show and who have those feelings, and need support in some way. A lot of people will have their first R and J experience at the globe, and not everyone will read up about plays beforehand A well meaning resource being offered to their audience members doesn't make them 'woke central and captured by the radical left' ( not that you're saying that i appreciate!). Most theatres nowadays offer content warnings and trigger warnings. I think thats positive overall.
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 4, 2021 13:22:18 GMT
That will come as a surprise to the Young Vic. I was sitting next to a 13-year old at the weekend and there were no warnings about depictions of extreme knife violence, or any warnings at all. And we were sitting almost within lunging distance, in the second row. The Young Vic is about as en pointe on current trends as anywhere.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 4, 2021 13:39:37 GMT
That will come as a surprise to the Young Vic. I was sitting next to a 13-year old at the weekend and there were no warnings about depictions of extreme knife violence, or any warnings at all. And we were sitting almost within lunging distance, in the second row. The Young Vic is about as en pointe on current trends as anywhere.
Has a show warning on the website www.youngvic.org/whats-on/hamlet-cush-jumboAlso, id say thats different to themes of R and J, which features suicide fairly heavily.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 4, 2021 16:18:48 GMT
The kerfuffle over the recent R&J was not thr focus on youth violence or anything else in the play. It was the warnings about the play featuring suicide and the provision of support line numbers to audience members Providing content warnings on a piece that old and well known does seem unnecessary to me. It is actions like that which feel very well-meaning on the part of the theatre that will provoke remarks from certain media outlets. Perhaps that is what the Globe wanted. It is certainly what the Globe should have expected. I genuinely do not believe that warnings are necessary on a piece like R&J. New writing is different. But a 400+ year old play that has been performed in every part of the world and adapted into every conceivable art form cannot come as a surprise to audience members at the Globe. 30 seconds on Google tells you whether or not you would find the content genuinely triggering. But... even that doesn't sound like a reason why they should be lambasted tbh. It may help people in the audience who connect with the show and who have those feelings, and need support in some way. A lot of people will have their first R and J experience at the globe, and not everyone will read up about plays beforehand A well meaning resource being offered to their audience members doesn't make them 'woke central and captured by the radical left' ( not that you're saying that i appreciate!). Most theatres nowadays offer content warnings and trigger warnings. I think thats positive overall. I didn't say that they should have been lambasted but that it was somewhat inevitable that they were. I know trigger warnings are everywhere these days but I am not convinced that they need to be anywhere near 400 year old plays. People need to take responsibility for their own choice to go to the theatre. With exceedingly popular repertoire like R&J, it is incredibly easy to find out before booking whether you feel it is right for you. Theatres don't need to flag things in advance for well known texts. New writing is different and I can see some virtue in providing content warnings. However you will never flag everything that a potential audience member might find triggering. Theatregoers are on the whole adults making an informed choice to book seats. They are capable of doing their own research and making their own decisions. Children being taken to shows are a different matter. It is up to the adults making the bookings to be certain that the repertoire is appropriate for their whole party. But the emphasis should be on people doing their own research. Not on theatres trying to flag up everything in advance. Personally nothing would drag me to see another production of R&J. I find the play dull and most of the characters unlikeable or uninteresting. Nowt to do with violence or suicide. Everything to do with it being one of my least favourite plays by Shakespeare.
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