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Post by partytentdown on Sept 23, 2021 12:26:15 GMT
Once upon a time it felt like I always knew what the hot shows at the Globe were, sometimes it would be even be a struggle to get tickets. My theatre friends would all discuss what they wanted to go and see.
Nowadays I genuinely couldn't tell you two plays in their season, it would be a guess. Nobody seems to talk about the programme. I hardly ever see shows previewed in the press or a buzz on social media.
Obviously they have had a hard time but I feel like something is missing.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 23, 2021 12:43:59 GMT
I think its good its opening it up to more comedy and music shows. I think the problem is just that its very well done Shakespeare shows without any big names. But then, its always been a bit like that i think
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 23, 2021 13:50:43 GMT
Under Michelle Terry, it became Woke HQ 2-3 years ago or even longer now.
There's an audience for it but, for now at least, only small venues, imo.
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Post by lynette on Sept 23, 2021 14:09:05 GMT
Once upon a time it felt like I always knew what the hot shows at the Globe were, sometimes it would be even be a struggle to get tickets. My theatre friends would all discuss what they wanted to go and see. Nowadays I genuinely couldn't tell you two plays in their season, it would be a guess. Nobody seems to talk about the programme. I hardly ever see shows previewed in the press or a buzz on social media. Obviously they have had a hard time but I feel like something is missing. Used to go to everything, whole season, loved it. Would still go if I thought it was going to be a decent Shakespeare with no agenda being shoved at me. So i rely on you guys to keep me posted.
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Post by peggs on Sept 23, 2021 17:28:50 GMT
Not for me, it's been a joy for me this summer, a few other theatre pieces have left me cold but not there.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 23, 2021 17:40:03 GMT
Terry is a good actor but a poor AD. She really shouldn't be using her position to cast herself and her other half on a regular basis.
I strongly believe that we have to drive nepotism out of the arts. It makes theatre feel even more exclusive and elitist at a time when there should be total commitment to open auditions and full transparency with regards to appointments.
All arts companies whether they receive public funding or not should sign up to a pledge not to use their positions to further the careers of family members/close friends. Recruitment should be in the basis of talent and nor who you know.
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 23, 2021 21:50:50 GMT
Don’t think Michelle Terry is about nepotism though. More to do with a puppet for the trustees.
I have seen all 5 of this Summer Shakespeare’s plays and not one on them was any good and as London Postie says it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 2:48:45 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. Can I ask what that means in terms of the plays at the globe? I've not been there in a few years.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 24, 2021 8:06:01 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. Can I ask what that means in terms of the plays at the globe? I've not been there in a few years. Yeah i get a bit confused when plays are criticised as woke or as that being a reason why they aren't selling well.... Maybe stuff like Shrew and Merchant of Venice having their misogyny/anti Semitism put into a more modern context?
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Post by cavocado on Sept 24, 2021 8:33:33 GMT
I didn't see this summer's Romeo and Juliet, but I think it focused on teenage mental health and had trigger warning and helpline numbers. Is that the kind of thing that's meant by woke? I would have loved to see it, and I'm always interested in productions that make modern parallels. But I accept it's not everyone's preference.
I don't go to the Globe often, mainly because the ticket prices are too high for me. I might be wrong, but I get the impression that their bread and butter is school parties and tourists, which is fine if that means they can break even. My children and friends' children have all been on trips there to see a play and often there's a tour and workshop as well. They seem to be really popular with students and teachers from what I hear. So perhaps their productions are aimed at maximising accessibility to GCSE/A Level students? I'm not saying Shakespeare has to have modern parallels spelled out in order to engage teenagers, but I have seen this approach work with my own children.
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Post by alnoor on Sept 24, 2021 8:41:24 GMT
Yes
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Post by zahidf on Sept 24, 2021 8:53:13 GMT
I didn't see this summer's Romeo and Juliet, but I think it focused on teenage mental health and had trigger warning and helpline numbers. Is that the kind of thing that's meant by woke? I would have loved to see it, and I'm always interested in productions that make modern parallels. But I accept it's not everyone's preference. I don't go to the Globe often, mainly because the ticket prices are too high for me. I might be wrong, but I get the impression that their bread and butter is school parties and tourists, which is fine if that means they can break even. My children and friends' children have all been on trips there to see a play and often there's a tour and workshop as well. They seem to be really popular with students and teachers from what I hear. So perhaps their productions are aimed at maximising accessibility to GCSE/A Level students? I'm not saying Shakespeare has to have modern parallels spelled out in order to engage teenagers, but I have seen this approach work with my own children. I appreciate as you say its not for everyone, but doing that for Romeo and Juliet is perfectly fine nowadays. If it helps people, then i don't understand the criticism of it being overly woke I normally just get the standing tickets myself. I went to midsummers and will be going to the comedy store players in October and maybe 12th night. Ive just seen most Shakespeares a million times by now, so it needs an interesting cast or concept to pull me in now
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 24, 2021 9:20:28 GMT
I thought the R&J focus on youth violence/suicide was enlightening and not a lens I had watched the play through before and for that reason woke or not I appreciated the production, it is one of my least favourite of the popular Shakespeare plays which as a rule bores me but this made me return to the text and reevaluate how it can be seen as a suicide and youth violence play and the star crossed lovers are the victims of the culture the young lived in at the time.
The only caveat is maybe we didn’t need the prominent surtitles.
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 24, 2021 9:21:42 GMT
it has been taken over by Woke HQ and the radical left. Can I ask what that means in terms of the plays at the globe? I've not been there in a few years.
Go along. Experience it. Form a view.
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Post by Nicholas on Sept 24, 2021 14:23:04 GMT
Well I blooming well hope so. Did you see what happened last time they had a spark, in 1613?
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Post by cavocado on Sept 24, 2021 15:22:13 GMT
Under Michelle Terry, it became Woke HQ 2-3 years ago or even longer now. There's an audience for it but, for now at least, only small venues, imo. I've just looked this up. The Globe played to 72% capacity in 2019, 84% in 2018, and 89% in 2017. Which is quite a big drop in just 2 years, and coincides with Michelle Terry taking over, so maybe it's true that it's lost its spark and that her leadership is cause for concern, maybe there were other factors. But 72% is still over 1100 per performance on average, so I don't think it's fair to say that there's only enough audience for small venues, just that it's not attracting the numbers it was in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 17:53:27 GMT
Can I ask what that means in terms of the plays at the globe? I've not been there in a few years.
Go along. Experience it. Form a view.
That's the response that all 'free thinkers' say on the internet, when they have done their own 'research' i.e watching a video on youtube.
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 24, 2021 18:16:53 GMT
You're right, it is absolutely shocking advice ..
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Sept 24, 2021 22:34:48 GMT
Under Michelle Terry, it became Woke HQ 2-3 years ago or even longer now. There's an audience for it but, for now at least, only small venues, imo. What do you mean when you say woke? I remember going to a bunch of Globe productions a few years ago before Michelle was the Artist Director. And if you mean had a variety of a cast members in the production it was like that when I went. Because that's all woke means is awareness racial prejudice & discrimination and awareness of social inequality within gender and sexual orientation. How can anyone be against that.
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Post by dlevi on Sept 25, 2021 5:53:49 GMT
Is there a theatre in central London that hasn't lost its spark during this pandemic? The Almeida? ( Maybe Macbeth will be good) The Royal Court? ( God knows they're trying) The Donmar ( the four cast Constellations was a masterstroke but what's happening in the main house?) Hampstead (at least they had the Tom Wells play) - my point is that they're all struggling with what to program, (don't get me started on The National - Paradise? ) who is their audience? Do they program to challenge their audience, to cater to them? Is the audience even going to be there? All of these theatres are now in the process of trying to find a way to balance staying in business and evolving their repertoire and staffing - the Globe is just part of an overall syndrome that is affecting everyone who not only loves theatre but who works in it. So, yes, the Globe has lost its spark, but they're not alone. The next few years are going to be rough going for us all.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 25, 2021 6:26:35 GMT
Agree dlevi mainstream Theatre is struggling, Old Vic cannot give tickets away, Royal Court was half empty last night……. The only shows consistently doing well are the mainstream musicals. Tough times for AD’s as they navigate through the restoration of Theatre and having to entice us out now that the ‘habit’ has been lost, more or less halved my visits as other interests and work practices have changed, to minimise travel I now link my days in the office with Theatre in the evening, Thursday is now my Friday as that is my only fixed day in the office and can have a ‘lie in’ on the Friday as will be working from home and do not need to get up early for the commute. This has also meant I do not book in advance as much with Thursdays now being booked for my must see shows and look around to see what is available on the days I am in the office.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 25, 2021 8:03:11 GMT
Is there a theatre in central London that hasn't lost its spark during this pandemic? The Almeida? ( Maybe Macbeth will be good) The Royal Court? ( God knows they're trying) The Donmar ( the four cast Constellations was a masterstroke but what's happening in the main house?) Hampstead (at least they had the Tom Wells play) - my point is that they're all struggling with what to program, (don't get me started on The National - Paradise? ) who is their audience? Do they program to challenge their audience, to cater to them? Is the audience even going to be there? All of these theatres are now in the process of trying to find a way to balance staying in business and evolving their repertoire and staffing - the Globe is just part of an overall syndrome that is affecting everyone who not only loves theatre but who works in it. So, yes, the Globe has lost its spark, but they're not alone. The next few years are going to be rough going for us all. Donmar is just opening up now! I think almeida will be boosted by the Macbeth, and Young Vic seems good with the hamlet. I'm hoping normal heart will do well for tbe national and old Vic gets back on track with the Christmas Carol onwards. I agree it all feels a bit weird at the moment, but once people get more used to going out, the audiences will start to come back. I think maybe they need to cast bigger names though in some instances.
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 25, 2021 8:34:45 GMT
If you add together the Donmar, Young Vic and Almedia you just about get the Old Vic's capacity - over a thousand. It's a gamble at the Old Vic.
It has to be a multi-variable analysis but for shorthand maybe we could start with escapism: good, drama: maybe, new drama: not yet.
London at night seems far less busy to me, which suggests fewer international tourists, UK tourists, weekenders (from UK and Europe), those on trains to/from from the Home Counties, those still wary, those shielding, those no longer with us, furlough means fewer are active in central London, ditto those who now work partly from home. Stand on the concourse at Waterloo at 10.20pm for a flavour.
Only been to a couple of museums but not at all busy. Cinema seems desperate for James Bond.
Huge changes in society; nature of work, family/social, life priorities. Interesting times but also worrisome.
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Post by Jon on Sept 25, 2021 11:05:03 GMT
I roll my eyes at this idea that theatre is doomed or that people will want to stay at home and not go out at all.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 25, 2021 11:17:35 GMT
Theatre is obviously not doomed and will recover and thrive given time but will need to work harder to entice people in this transition period.
I can only speak for myself, pre-Covid at least 4 visits a week was the norm, now rarely see more than 2 a week and have none booked for November so far, nothing has really taken my fancy and will choose closer to the time on reviews/deals.
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