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Post by crowblack on Feb 22, 2022 9:40:29 GMT
I can't read the article (paywall) but the headline does confirm the feeling that the big US streaming services are picking up on and employing many of the better actors, and on the sort of very long multi-episode series that won't give much space to slot theatre work between it. I hope Cabaret isn't a picture of what's to come: hugely inflated prices for the rare chance to see bigger name actors on stage, but I suspect it may be.
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Post by jgblunners on Feb 22, 2022 10:07:25 GMT
Norris also tackles the nepotism accusations around Hex in this article, claiming that not programming any plays written by his wife for the first 6.5 years of his tenure as AD was 'anti-nepotism' (she had apparently had 3 plays commissioned by Hytner under his tenure). That's all very well, but I actually don't mind Norris programming a revival of Small Island with himself as director, and wouldn't mind him programming a play written by his wife as long as someone else was directing it. I think what many people (including myself) were concerned by with Hex was that not just one but three major creative roles were filled by either him or his wife.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 22, 2022 10:51:43 GMT
What an entitled attitude. It perfectly encapsulates what is wrong with Norris. Tanya Ronder has seemingly built her career by working with Norris www.unitedagents.co.uk/tanya-ronderShe has done a lot of adaptations but very few of her 'original' works have made much of a mark beyond their original productions. There is no reason at all why a properly functioning National Theatre Literary department should pay her more than occasional attention. The fact that Norris believes she is owed more shows exactly why this sort of nepotism has to be prevented from continuing to corrupt our public theatre organisations.
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Post by dlevi on Feb 22, 2022 11:27:08 GMT
Norris also tackles the nepotism accusations around Hex in this article, claiming that not programming any plays written by his wife for the first 6.5 years of his tenure as AD was 'anti-nepotism' (she had apparently had 3 plays commissioned by Hytner under his tenure). That's all very well, but I actually don't mind Norris programming a revival of Small Island with himself as director, and wouldn't mind him programming a play written by his wife as long as someone else was directing it. I think what many people (including myself) were concerned by with Hex was that not just one but three major creative roles were filled by either him or his wife. My issue with "Hex" lies with the fact that aside from directing and writing the lyrics and his wife being the librettist , that's a lot to begin with, but the fact is he was also the producer in charge which meant he was answerable to no one on the production. That's not just nepotism, that's conflict of interest. Shame on him and on the NT Board for allowing it to happen.
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Post by cavocado on Feb 22, 2022 11:33:20 GMT
Even if Tanya Ronder was the world's greatest playwright, she should be working elsewhere. There is no place for nepotism in spending public money. That's the price you pay for accepting a powerful job in a subsidised company.
It's a similar thing to MP's now being banned from employing their spouses. The spouse might be the perfect person for the job in terms of qualifications, experience and skills, but it's just inappropriate to employ them.
I think we have good reason to query Norris's judgement on this, given the disaster (and waste of money) that Hex turned out to be. I wonder if there's also a problem with quality control at the NT - people with the power to say "this isn't working". Manor also had close family members working together and apparently nobody to point out its problems.
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Post by cavocado on Feb 22, 2022 11:34:53 GMT
Cross posted with dlevi - that conflict of interest is exactly what I meant.
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Post by teamyali on Feb 26, 2022 15:48:28 GMT
RuNo? RuNope!
I’m surprised by the comments and replies from the tweet regarding RuNo’s remark. I thought that while the National only selects the best of the best, they are more inclusive when it comes to auditions. Wasn’t it not long ago where they had the likes of Cate Blanchett, Andrew Garfield, and Bryan Cranston performing at the NT and their shows were hits? I don’t think talent pool is a problem.
When RuNo said that, I was thinking if the NT favors certain actors and creatives of which kind of production do they want to do. (Like in the case of The Normal Heart, Ben Daniels was in discussion to prepare for the play for like five or seven years before they finally staged it, and invited some actors to read parts with him even if it wasn’t an official audition)
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Post by Jan on Feb 26, 2022 16:44:56 GMT
Hmmm. Norris says he didn’t programme any plays by his wife in 6.5 years, but did he commission any plays or adaptations from her during that time ? I suspect he did, not just Hex.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 26, 2022 17:22:18 GMT
How can the guy who wrote Hex talk about talent?
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Post by teamyali on Feb 27, 2022 3:56:33 GMT
He also did not comment on how come Manor flopped. The pandemic delays could have fixed whatever script or direction problems it had. Although it’s not entirely his fault as he’s not exactly involved in the production, but as an artistic director, he should know better.
It’s not always rainbow and roses about the success of NT plays but one and zero stars?!?!
Manor and Hex are now in the entries of the NT archives so I would love to go there and read up about the production process in depth.
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Post by n1david on Feb 27, 2022 8:56:56 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 27, 2022 10:27:53 GMT
That then surely reveals his own lack of critical judgement
Again further making his continuation in the role untenable
I understand loyalty to people you have commissioned. But he has a larger duty.
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Post by teamyali on Feb 27, 2022 12:48:07 GMT
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Post by Jan on Feb 27, 2022 12:52:08 GMT
He says he enjoyed the play very much. That’s part of the problem, I suspect he only programmes stuff he himself enjoys, that’s why he has alienated parts of the broader audience. Nicholas Hytner was a great producer at NT. When he left he mentioned there’d been several plays/productions he programmed there which he personally disliked.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Feb 27, 2022 13:43:02 GMT
They announced they were going to. Are there any figures as to how many graduates were actually given auditions, and which drama schools they came from? Obviously they can’t see everyone who applied, but how did they decide who to see and who not to see?
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Post by Jon on Feb 27, 2022 16:49:58 GMT
It's a load of crap for Rufus to claim theatre is losing talent to the streamers. If that were really true, why did James Graham debut his new play at the Young Vic or Mike Bartlett debuting plays at both the Old Vic and the Lyric Hammersmith?
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Post by jaggy on Feb 27, 2022 18:31:56 GMT
I have to say that I agree with Rufus Norris with regard to "Most actors who would sell a theatre are now attached to some kind of contract with Netflix or Amazon." We're seeing a great deal of British actors who began in theatre become big names in Hollywood: Jessie Buckley, Josh O'Connor, Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Andrew Scott, etc. It's understandable theatres like the National want them to star in shows at their theatres. However, they are being snapped up by film studios and streaming sites: Jessie Buckley and Josh O'Connor have multiple film projects lined up, Phoebe has signed a $20-million-a-year deal with Amazon and Andrew Scott is filming The Talented Mr Ripley for Showtime which is only going to boost his Hollywood profile. These are just a few examples but it's a very real thing that's happening. It seems the mentality is when your stardom is growing you don't go back (to theatre), you keep moving (to film and TV).
I was shocked when it was announced that Jodie Comer was doing Prima Facie. I know her career didn't begin in theatre but it's the opposite thing an actor of her stature would do especially after doing films like The Last Duel and Free Guy. I expected her to continue doing these high paying/ profile increasing films or series not a play. I assume it's because she wanted the challenge which is another thing... The actors are calling the shots now more so than before because they're needed to sell out a show, see Cabaret (and all the discourse on that thread about above the title/ refunds/ star vs. show). Eddie Redmayne only returned to the stage after 10 years because playing the Emcee was one of his dream roles. After it, he may not act on stage again for another 10 years. This pattern is applicable to many stage actors who become stars, award nominees, winners, etc.
Obviously, pay and scheduling are factors too. Actors don't want to be doing eight shows a week being paid thousands or hundreds of thousands (depending on their profile) for however many months when they can be paid millions for 6 months of filming which requires far less work. I think what Norris said about actors is true...
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Post by Dave B on Feb 27, 2022 18:45:20 GMT
We're seeing a great deal of British actors who began in theatre become big names in Hollywood: Jessie Buckley, Josh O'Connor, Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Andrew Scott, etc. Jessie Buckley is Irish
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Post by jaggy on Feb 27, 2022 18:55:09 GMT
We're seeing a great deal of British actors who began in theatre become big names in Hollywood: Jessie Buckley, Josh O'Connor, Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Andrew Scott, etc. Jessie Buckley is Irish Oops! How embarrassing, I totally forgot lol. Everyone can just ignore that part...
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Post by n1david on Feb 27, 2022 19:19:57 GMT
We're seeing a great deal of British actors who began in theatre become big names in Hollywood: Jessie Buckley, Josh O'Connor, Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Andrew Scott, etc. Jessie Buckley is Irish So is Andrew Scott...
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Post by jaggy on Feb 27, 2022 19:28:39 GMT
Jessie Buckley is Irish So is Andrew Scott... What I should have said was "actors who primarily work in Britain." Anyway, the sentiments still apply...
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Post by david on Feb 27, 2022 19:30:07 GMT
Having a read of the Levelling Up of UK theatres thread got me wondering why more stuff from the NT doesn't seem to get a life outside of the Southbank once the NT runs finish. As someone who isn't London based, it would be nice if more work went on tour and was seen by a wider UK audience. Ok, you've got the NT at Home and NT Live options which are great but apart from those, I am really struggling to think of the last time an NT production (excluding War Horse and Curious Incident) had a life outside London. The last thing I watched was the Jane Eyre production at the Lowry back in 2017. There is the upcoming Emma Rice's Wuthering Heights show that is going on the road later in the year, but there is plenty of stuff that has been programmed over the years that I would have liked to have watched (despite having NT Membership) but wasn't able to due to the overall cost of trips to London.
I'm not expecting everything the NT produces to go on tour, but just a bit more than what is currently being offered would be a nice addition to my local theatre going and would be kinder to my wallet as well. I'm sure there would be an appetite for NT's work outside of London with a wider UK theatre audience.
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Post by crowblack on Feb 27, 2022 20:02:19 GMT
I have to say that I agree with Rufus Norris with regard to "Most actors who would sell a theatre are now attached to some kind of contract with Netflix or Amazon." We're seeing a great deal of British actors who began in theatre become big names in Hollywood I agree on this - almost all the actors, established and newcomers, I had down as theatre 'must sees' 4 or 5 years ago are now doing TV or film instead, most for US companies. Jodie Comer has had to turn down a scheduled but covid-delayed Napoleon film to do Prima Facie, but with covid messing up schedules too, can actors committed to Netflix or Amazon series take any time out for theatre now? Still, it must be a great time to be an actor or anyone else with screen skills - I've got a relative who works on the technical side of filmmaking and he's always busy now going all over the place c/o the big streamers.
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 27, 2022 20:23:33 GMT
Having a read of the Levelling Up of UK theatres thread got me wondering why more stuff from the NT doesn't seem to get a life outside of the Southbank once the NT runs finish. As someone who isn't London based, it would be nice if more work went on tour and was seen by a wider UK audience. Ok, you've got the NT at Home and NT Live options which are great but apart from those, I am really struggling to think of the last time an NT production (excluding War Horse and Curious Incident) had a life outside London. The last thing I watched was the Jane Eyre production at the Lowry back in 2017. I saw This House on tour in 2018. I think that was several years after it premiered at the National but I suppose better late than never.
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Post by Jon on Feb 27, 2022 20:44:17 GMT
I have to say that I agree with Rufus Norris with regard to "Most actors who would sell a theatre are now attached to some kind of contract with Netflix or Amazon." We're seeing a great deal of British actors who began in theatre become big names in Hollywood I agree on this - almost all the actors, established and newcomers, I had down as theatre 'must sees' 4 or 5 years ago are now doing TV or film instead, most for US companies. Jodie Comer has had to turn down a scheduled but covid-delayed Napoleon film to do Prima Facie, but with covid messing up schedules too, can actors committed to Netflix or Amazon series take any time out for theatre now? Still, it must be a great time to be an actor or anyone else with screen skills - I've got a relative who works on the technical side of filmmaking and he's always busy now going all over the place c/o the big streamers. But that's always been in the case. Olivia Colman admitted during a talk for Mosquitos that theatre's difficult for her because of the scheduling which is why she's rarely does it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see certain actors like Keeley Hawes do more theatre but we have to be realistic on the fact they have other commitments.
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