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Post by properjob on Mar 20, 2022 10:27:27 GMT
Clearly you must do given your previous post calling her unprofessional! Unless you seriously think being ill or having vocal issues is unprofessional? No-one would willingly miss their last day in a show, so clearly she has vocal problems or is otherwise ill. At a certain point, some of us are unable to do our job. And it's unprofessional to pretend that we can. I can't work out what you think she should do here. If you are too ill on a particular shift to be able to do your job to the required standard then calling in sick is the professional thing to do. That doesn't necessarily mean you are to ill to leave the house. It is also the professional thing to continue do other parts of your job that you are well enough to do which in the case of an actress may include giving interviews or making promotional appearances |
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Post by shady23 on Mar 20, 2022 11:12:06 GMT
If she went to work when her voice wasn't right she'd be slated for that too.
She can't win really
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Mar 20, 2022 12:01:57 GMT
Has anyone worked out what her % attendance actually was?
Is this being blown out of proportion by what is both a tough sing and a rising-star performer whose calendar was perhaps more intense than they might have expected?
(Was her performance in Power of the Dog always set to be an award-courter?)
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 20, 2022 12:47:28 GMT
Does anyone know if she was actually ill? Every other post defending her (I’m not, either way) says to leave her alone because she’s ill but…is that actually true?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 13:21:15 GMT
At a certain point, some of us are unable to do our job. And it's unprofessional to pretend that we can. Gosh I hope you never get ill doing your job, your lack of compassion (and of understanding of employment law) is astounding. It is not unprofessional to be ill, and attitudes like yours only set workers' rights back into the Dark Ages. It has nothing to do with compassion. I do not have a lack of compassion. If you REGULARLY cannot fulfill your job duties, you shouldn’t have that job. We’re not talking about a sick day here and there, but consistently missing work. Because yes, it’s work. And in any other field, being out from work that often would eventually become an issue for the employer. And rightfully so. At some point, she should have taken an announced leave of absence to get well, or just stepped down. She couldn’t fulfill the duties of her job. That’s not about compassion. It’s just a fact. It is, after all, still a job. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 13:22:58 GMT
Does anyone know if she was actually ill? Every other post defending her (I’m not, either way) says to leave her alone because she’s ill but…is that actually true? Well no, because she's entitled to her privacy and has chosen not to say anything, but I think it's a pretty obvious implication from the fact that she has had basically the same schedule of doing half the shows per week for the last couple of months - everything points to vocal (or physical) rest rather than other commitments. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 13:27:40 GMT
Gosh I hope you never get ill doing your job, your lack of compassion (and of understanding of employment law) is astounding. It is not unprofessional to be ill, and attitudes like yours only set workers' rights back into the Dark Ages. It has nothing to do with compassion. I do not have a lack of compassion. If you REGULARLY cannot fulfill your job duties, you shouldn’t have that job. We’re not talking about a sick day here and there, but consistently missing work. Because yes, it’s work. And in any other field, being out from work that often would eventually become an issue for the employer. And rightfully so. At some point, she should have taken an announced leave of absence to get well, or just stepped down. She couldn’t fulfill the duties of her job. That’s not about compassion. It’s just a fact. It is, after all, still a job. You may think you don't have a lack of compassion but your posts are coming across very differently. Be honest, if you got ill and couldn't do your job full time would you quit? I really don't think you would. In any other field being out of work for illness is an issue for employers to address in terms of how they can accommodate the employee, not the automatic cause for dismissal or discipline that you seem to think it is. She couldn't fulfil her duties full time, but could do them part time, so she only did some of the shows. That is called making adjustments, which is what any employer is required to do so far as possible when a worker is ill. Here it was absolutely possible as the understudy could go on. Simple as that. |
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Post by minniecatmonster on Mar 20, 2022 13:44:27 GMT
Has anyone worked out what her % attendance actually was? Is this being blown out of proportion by what is both a tough sing and a rising-star performer whose calendar was perhaps more intense than they might have expected? (Was her performance in Power of the Dog always set to be an award-courter?) She’s in The Lost Daughter, not POTD and I think the awards run for her was on the unexpected side. Her absences really just highlight the issues with celeb casting. You really run the risk that they can’t hack it |
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Post by properjob on Mar 20, 2022 13:51:30 GMT
Gosh I hope you never get ill doing your job, your lack of compassion (and of understanding of employment law) is astounding. It is not unprofessional to be ill, and attitudes like yours only set workers' rights back into the Dark Ages. It has nothing to do with compassion. I do not have a lack of compassion. If you REGULARLY cannot fulfill your job duties, you shouldn’t have that job. We’re not talking about a sick day here and there, but consistently missing work. Because yes, it’s work. And in any other field, being out from work that often would eventually become an issue for the employer. And rightfully so. At some point, she should have taken an announced leave of absence to get well, or just stepped down. She couldn’t fulfill the duties of her job. That’s not about compassion. It’s just a fact. It is, after all, still a job. OK so you think because she couldn't in the end do all the shows she should do none and that would be better? |
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Post by Being Alive on Mar 20, 2022 13:51:38 GMT
She literally comes from theatre though...this isn't casting Gemma Collins as Sally Bowles, they cast a theatre actress who trained at RADA...
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Post by Kubrick on Mar 20, 2022 14:05:54 GMT
Moving aside the topic of labor, I’ve heard last Tuesday evening’s performance was recorded. Allegedly there were signs posted inside the Kit Kat Club informing the audience that an audio was being recorded.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 20, 2022 14:06:32 GMT
was anyone there yesterday for their last show?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 15:46:23 GMT
It has nothing to do with compassion. I do not have a lack of compassion. If you REGULARLY cannot fulfill your job duties, you shouldn’t have that job. We’re not talking about a sick day here and there, but consistently missing work. Because yes, it’s work. And in any other field, being out from work that often would eventually become an issue for the employer. And rightfully so. At some point, she should have taken an announced leave of absence to get well, or just stepped down. She couldn’t fulfill the duties of her job. That’s not about compassion. It’s just a fact. It is, after all, still a job. OK so you think because she couldn't in the end do all the shows she should do none and that would be better? I never said she had to do ALL shows. My God, the way some people on this board put words in others’ mouths is insufferable. Consistently missing shows with no notice is a lot different than missing occasionally or taking a leave of absence. And yes, if I could no longer perform the functions of my job, I would resign or take a leave of absence until I could. |
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Post by inthenose on Mar 20, 2022 16:12:01 GMT
Most of this falls on the "lack of transparency" - putting it diplomatically - of the producers. If Jessie Buckley had a fixed arrangement with the show to do limited performances, which it would appear she did, then questions have to be asked of them.
If no such arrangement was reached and Buckley has had a "poor run", she simply won't be back in these types of high profile musical theatre roles.
I am annoyed by rather cynical nature of the whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 17:42:13 GMT
She literally comes from theatre though...this isn't casting Gemma Collins as Sally Bowles, they cast a theatre actress who trained at RADA... What relevance does that have to whether someone gets ill or not? The best training in the world doesn't prevent illness. |
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Post by Being Alive on Mar 20, 2022 17:44:15 GMT
She literally comes from theatre though...this isn't casting Gemma Collins as Sally Bowles, they cast a theatre actress who trained at RADA... What relevance does that have to whether someone gets ill or not? The best training in the world doesn't prevent illness. Oh sorry I didn't quote what I was replying to! I was saying she isn't 'celeb casting' because she went to RADA... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 17:48:33 GMT
OK so you think because she couldn't in the end do all the shows she should do none and that would be better? I never said she had to do ALL shows. My God, the way some people on this board put words in others’ mouths is insufferable. Consistently missing shows with no notice is a lot different than missing occasionally or taking a leave of absence. And yes, if I could no longer perform the functions of my job, I would resign or take a leave of absence until I could. Well if you aren't saying she had to do all shows then why do you have a problem with her for having an arrangement that she only does some, which seems from the pattern of shows she did in the last couple of months to have been the case? Clearly she could function to do the job part time so what is the problem with her doing so? If your ire is due to a lack of transparency then that is on the producers and has nothing to do with her doing some but not all of the shows. It is rather elitist to say you would resign if you couldnt work - clearly you are lucky enough to have enough money to do so, but not everyone is that fortunate, so that sort of attitude does nothing to help many people. And you claim you aren't saying she should have to do all shows or none, so I am rather confused as to why you also seem to be saying a leave of absence is the only other option. Why are you so against the idea that an employer might dare to make adjustments for an employee so that they can do part of their job even if they are not fit enough in some way to do it all? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 17:48:50 GMT
What relevance does that have to whether someone gets ill or not? The best training in the world doesn't prevent illness. Oh sorry I didn't quote what I was replying to! I was saying she isn't 'celeb casting' because she went to RADA... Oops, sorry, I misunderstood! |
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Post by properjob on Mar 20, 2022 18:57:42 GMT
OK so you think because she couldn't in the end do all the shows she should do none and that would be better? I never said she had to do ALL shows. My God, the way some people on this board put words in others’ mouths is insufferable. Consistently missing shows with no notice is a lot different than missing occasionally or taking a leave of absence. And yes, if I could no longer perform the functions of my job, I would resign or take a leave of absence until I could. I'm sorry if I have missinterpereted what you meant. So put your own words in your mouth and say what you think she should have done. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 20, 2022 19:27:23 GMT
If this was all about managing a health condition - which would have been perfectly appropriate - then all the kerfuffle could have been avoided by publishing a revised performance schedule. It wouldn't have needed any statement as to the reasons behind the change so patient confidentiality could have been protected.
It seems from having read this thread that it is was the last minute nature of some of the announcements combined with seeing JB out and about fulfilling other engagements on top of quite frankly ludicrous ticket prices that has created the bad feeling.
The producers and marketing teams have not covered themselves in glory by the way this has been handled. The vacuum of useful information they allowed has created lots of speculation and negativity. JB now appears to be an unreliable performer which could well hurt her future theatre career. And that is almost certainly not her fault. Bad management almost certainly is at the root of it.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 20, 2022 20:00:38 GMT
If this was all about managing a health condition - which would have been perfectly appropriate - then all the kerfuffle could have been avoided by publishing a revised performance schedule. It wouldn't have needed any statement as to the reasons behind the change so patient confidentiality could have been protected. It seems from having read this thread that it is was the last minute nature of some of the announcements combined with seeing JB out and about fulfilling other engagements on top of quite frankly ludicrous ticket prices that has created the bad feeling. The producers and marketing teams have not covered themselves in glory by the way this has been handled. The vacuum of useful information they allowed has created lots of speculation and negativity. JB now appears to be an unreliable performer which could well hurt her future theatre career. And that is almost certainly not her fault. Bad management almost certainly is at the root of it. You are assuming her medical condition is predicable AND that there was a revised schedule. Neither are known facts. Also, you are saying releasing information about someone's medical history is appropriate and required - neither of which are true. There is a lot of petty hate toward JB/the producers on this board, which is entirely based on assumptions - given no facts have been released. Maybe, now that she has left, we can move on to discuss comparisons between the OG cast and cast 2, and possibly even predictions on who will take the reigns for cast 3. It's so much nicer to be positive than repeatedly moan about something that's clearly assumed or imagined. |
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Post by inthenose on Mar 20, 2022 20:05:35 GMT
If this was all about managing a health condition - which would have been perfectly appropriate - then all the kerfuffle could have been avoided by publishing a revised performance schedule. It wouldn't have needed any statement as to the reasons behind the change so patient confidentiality could have been protected.It seems from having read this thread that it is was the last minute nature of some of the announcements combined with seeing JB out and about fulfilling other engagements on top of quite frankly ludicrous ticket prices that has created the bad feeling. The producers and marketing teams have not covered themselves in glory by the way this has been handled. The vacuum of useful information they allowed has created lots of speculation and negativity. JB now appears to be an unreliable performer which could well hurt her future theatre career. And that is almost certainly not her fault. Bad management almost certainly is at the root of it. You are assuming her medical condition is predicable AND that there was a revised schedule. Neither are known facts. Also, you are saying releasing information about someone's medical history is appropriate and required - neither of which are true.There is a lot of petty hate toward JB/the producers on this board, which is entirely based on assumptions - given no facts have been released. Maybe, now that she has left, we can move on to discuss comparisons between the OG cast and cast 2, and possibly even predictions on who will take the reigns for cast 3. It's so much nicer to be positive than repeatedly moan about something that's clearly assumed or imagined. Didn't they say the exact opposite, or have I misunderstood? |
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Post by shadypines on Mar 20, 2022 20:10:07 GMT
You are assuming her medical condition is predicable AND that there was a revised schedule. Neither are known facts. Also, you are saying releasing information about someone's medical history is appropriate and required - neither of which are true.There is a lot of petty hate toward JB/the producers on this board, which is entirely based on assumptions - given no facts have been released. Maybe, now that she has left, we can move on to discuss comparisons between the OG cast and cast 2, and possibly even predictions on who will take the reigns for cast 3. It's so much nicer to be positive than repeatedly moan about something that's clearly assumed or imagined. Didn't they say the exact opposite, or have I misunderstood? Releasing a statement to say X won't be performing ZZZ performances for medical reasons is a breach of confidentiality, irrespective of whether you define the medical reasons. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 20, 2022 20:10:46 GMT
No. That is exactly what I said. Very clearly.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 20, 2022 20:11:52 GMT
Didn't they say the exact opposite, or have I misunderstood? Releasing a statement to say X won't be performing ZZZ performances for medical reasons is a breach of confidentiality, irrespective of whether you define the medical reasons. Please read what I put very carefully. |
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