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Post by jaggy on Mar 5, 2022 15:21:57 GMT
I really can't imagine her missing performances for award shows. If that is the case then the producers, Buckley and her agent are brainless. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know seeing Buckley enjoying herself at some awards show whilst being absent from a £250 show would create a negative reaction. Anne Bancroft didn't even attend the Oscars the year she won because she was starring in Mother Courage in New York.
Whatever the case may be it's the producers lack of transparency that is causing all of this. Producers really should make some kind of statement if a star is missing shows as it can create speculation, false narratives, labelling and ultimately damage an actor's reputation. All things that are happening on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 16:15:15 GMT
I really can't imagine her missing performances for award shows. If that is the case then the producers, Buckley and her agent are brainless. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know seeing Buckley enjoying herself at some awards show whilst being absent from a £250 show would create a negative reaction. Anne Bancroft didn't even attend the Oscars the year she won because she was starring in Mother Courage in New York. Whatever the case may be it's the producers lack of transparency that is causing all of this. Producers really should make some kind of statement if a star is missing shows as it can create speculation, false narratives, labelling and ultimately damage an actor's reputation. All things that are happening on this board. Well that and the fact that Joan Crawford brainwashed her into letting her accept if she won lol. I really think the dedication to 8 shows a week and the stamina required is a thing of the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 16:54:21 GMT
Not at all, I make no secret of the fact that I am a fan, but I also don't have any issue in calling out posts that make no sense. And especially ones that are unfair and unwarranted to the very actors this board exists to discuss and (I thought) support. I've missed performers I've wanted to see countless times, but I don't blame them for it, let alone go on the same rant about it half a dozen times. The fact that is the only response you could think of to my post says a lot. And you clearly have no understanding of the Hollywood awards season machinery or the concept of jetlag. Please point me in the direction of “half a dozen” posts where I blame Jessie Buckley for anything. I’m afraid that you’ve resorted to making things up at my expense, which I do take objection to. I’d suggest you correct the record accordingly, please. I’ve been clear that most of my frustration is aimed at the producers, and their handling of a number of areas in relation to this production. And I absolutely stand by that. Having said that, I don’t share your seeming admiration of Jessie Buckley’s focus on award shows, when she has made commitments to paying audience members in a short theatre run. Have you never seen people accept their award via video link? If I were to read that she’d missed an award show because she wanted to honour her commitments to members of the public who wanted to see her, I’d admire that much more. I’ve never even heard of the Independent Spirit Awards - it’s hardly the Oscars! I also appreciate that these decisions are probably taken entirely out of her hands. On the times I’ve met her, she’s been lovely, and I’m sure she wouldn’t want to disappoint anyone. And yes, I know that there are more important things going on in the world right now - and they’re also more important than whether Jessie Buckley gets to attend an award show. I still appreciate that we don’t know for sure why she is missing so many performances - it may have nothing to do with award shows. There does seem to have been a change since she was nominated for an Oscar. But maybe she has been ill, which - despite further unsubstantiated accusations which you have made about me to the contrary - I of course appreciate that this can’t be predicted or helped. Please try to change your style on this board - you don’t hesitate to throw accusations of lack of common sense, lack of thought, tantrums, talking nonsense etc - and it makes this quite an unpleasant place to be. Your unfailing devotion for famous actors unfortunately lets you get carried away with yourself. As you admit, things aren’t always black and white - so try and bear that in mind in your responses. I wasn't talking about you specifically but the multiple posts berating her for being absent - apologies for not making that clear. Let me be clear, everything I have said is aimed at the negative assumptions being made about performers, not at any one specific poster. I wasn't making anything up about you at all so please don't make things up about me either - I have no "unfailing devotion" to celebrities at all, I said pretty much the same things in the Cinderella thread and I don't like Carrie Hope Fletcher in the slightest. I have never said that people are not entitled to be disappointed at "star" absences (despite the conversations in this thread about Redmayne being the star casting rather than Buckley, which is an interesting contradiction), of course they are. People are entitled to be annoyed at any absence. I have been when I've booked to see a particular star and they've been off. But that doesn't excuse negative assumptions that as others have pointed out threaten to impact reputations. Those are unpleasant things to read and in my opinion should be called out for lack of consideration towards the performers concerned and the wider picture. The performers are not robots and this particular production is not their whole career, so tunnel vision regarding anyone's absence is not helpful. I am not saying you were doing that, but some reactions did seem to assume that there couldn't possibly be a good reason for her being off again, and it seems to me to be much fairer to any performer to try to understand possible absence reasons from their perspective given it's their career. |
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Post by danb on Mar 5, 2022 17:39:21 GMT
Whilst we aren’t in any way entitled to know the ins and outs of a performers health struggles etc, it would be a lot more transparent, and better for the reputation of the performer, if the theatre at least went back to the language of ‘due to the indisposition of…’ or advertising holiday dates. Until they do so, unhelpful conversations like these will continue.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 5, 2022 17:54:26 GMT
Often producers reschedule a performance if a star is nominated for an Oscar and will fly to LA. It happens all the time on Broadway and we saw something similar a few years ago when Lesley Manville was nominated for an Academy Award and they rescheduled a performance of Long Day's Journey into Night. Besides, the chances of Buckley winning anything against DeBose are very slim, I doubt she'd bother travelling all that way just to sit there for hours and lose, except for Oscars, and by then her run in Cabaret will be over.
It looks more like a Sheridan Smith in Funny Girl situation, in which for several weeks patrons would go to the theatre and the people at the Savoy would pretend to be surprised SS was missing and the "understudy" Natasha Barnes was going on instead. Except that Jessie Buckley is still doing some performances. I don't think she hasn't missed more than a performance between November and February, so I really wouldn't accuse her of being unprofessional. Producers often force sick stars (eg Donna Murphy in Wonderful Town) to hide their condition in order to avoid affecting sales or dealing with too many ticket exchanges.
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Post by shady23 on Mar 5, 2022 18:00:54 GMT
I imagine if Eddie was feeling ill on a day when Jessie was off the production would find themselves with a big problem!
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Post by minion on Mar 5, 2022 18:05:48 GMT
Often producers reschedule a performance if a star is nominated for an Oscar and will fly to LA. It happens all the time on Broadway and we saw something similar a few years ago when Lesley Manville was nominated for an Academy Award and they rescheduled a performance of Long Day's Journey into Night. Besides, the chances of Buckley winning anything against DeBose are very slim, I doubt she'd bother travelling all that way just to sit there for hours and lose, except for Oscars, and by then her run in Cabaret will be over. It looks more like a Sheridan Smith in Funny Girl situation, in which for several weeks patrons would go to the theatre and the people at the Savoy would pretend to be surprised SS was missing and the "understudy" Natasha Barnes was going on instead. Except that Jessie Buckley is still doing some performances. I don't think she hasn't missed more than a performance between November and February, so I really wouldn't accuse her of being unprofessional. Producers often force sick stars (eg Donna Murphy in Wonderful Town) to hide their condition in order to avoid affecting sales or dealing with too many ticket exchanges. Honestly don't think the producers would be faced with demands for ticket exchanges when everyone knows the show is sold-out for the two stars' run. No one, bar maybe an odd person here and there, would be willing to miss out on seeing Redmayne in some misguided attempt to go seeking shows when both will be available. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 5, 2022 18:40:16 GMT
I booked to see this last night and no mention of Jessie Buckley being “out” I paid 3x times more than my Covid cancelled ticket in December.
If you are star billing in a show which Jessie Buckley is - then you should perform in every show unless sick, especially when it is a limited run show. Her priority is the show and not picking up a award, if picking up award is so important to her and Netflix she could have flown to LA Sunday morning and got her award that evening, it doesn’t take a week to pick up an award I’m afraid and I will be surprised if it is a contract obligation to attend a none to prestigious awards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 19:59:07 GMT
Whatever the case may be it's the producers lack of transparency that is causing all of this. Producers really should make some kind of statement if a star is missing shows as it can create speculation, false narratives, labelling and ultimately damage an actor's reputation. All things that are happening on this board. The producers are under no obligation to make a statement, its all there in the small print, The terms and conditions when you bought a ticket. The speculation, false narratives etc, are from people who think they are entitled to an answer. You are not. They could put her absences on the website, but seeing as there is no refund or exchange policy and with the rest of her run sold out, it doesn't really achieve or help anyone, unless you want to miss the show all together if she is out. There is no 'above the title' policy here, as we all know, regardless of what we might expect. Also, what might seem a big thing on here, has very, very little effect in the wider world. 99% of the population probably don't even know who Jessie Buckley is, let alone care that she missed a few performances of Cabaret. It certainly won't affect her reputation as an actor. FWIW, why hasn't Jessie herself said anything? |
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Post by Boob on Mar 5, 2022 20:22:34 GMT
Out of curiosity, what happens if the Olivier voters show up at a performance when the lead is off? You will be offered tickets to another date. I ended up seeing a few shows more than once for this reason. |
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Post by apubleed on Mar 5, 2022 20:24:26 GMT
Tbfl, when Glenn Close missed those performances in SUNSET and the producers refused refunds, regardless of what is in the small ‘fine print’ or not, do you honestly think that is sincere and ethical commercial behaviour?
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Post by marob on Mar 5, 2022 21:33:14 GMT
If a lead performer’s off ill, just say they’re ill on the social media or whatever. The secrecy just makes it a thing when it really doesn’t need to be. If the performer’s doing an Alfie Boe and going off to promote an album or whatever it was that made him miss so many Celeb Les Miz shows then I think people have every right to be annoyed if it’s not advertised in advance.
But it’s pretty typical of the way some theatres are run in this country. We’ve had two years of “we can’t wait to welcome our wonderful audiences back.” Then something like this happens and the default position seems to be “we’ve got your money, now go f*** yourself.”
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Post by shadypines on Mar 5, 2022 22:00:20 GMT
I remember when David Tennant did Hamlet in 2010, he was denied an Olivier nomination because he missed so many performances. David Tennant missed THE ENTIRE RUN at the Novello. |
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Post by shadypines on Mar 5, 2022 22:05:43 GMT
Jessie has missed a bunch of performances in peak Olivier voting time.
No producer worth their salt would let a lead call out to attend anything, during this period. She's obvs not said "I need to miss a performance to accept my Oscar".
Statement or naught, she is likely ill and deserves privacy and compassion.
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Post by danb on Mar 5, 2022 22:27:48 GMT
I’m afraid that one can only show compassion for things that they are aware of. You can’t be compassionate about ‘a mystery’ absence. She could have just lost her oyster card and be mugging everyone off. If something unpleasant or unthinkable has happened to the poor girl the producers need to say something so that everyone stops prying and theorising.
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 5, 2022 22:31:49 GMT
If she had been out for a month straight then “Pray for Jessie” would be warranted but missing a ton of sporadic performances hardly equals “Jessie is ill and we need to meet at the theatre at 7pm with candles to hold a vigil” - it leads to a simple inquiry about why she’s missing shows. And it’s warranted since y’know, her name is right there over the title of the show. I swear if the lights went down and they performed “Oklahoma”, some people would say “You paid to see the actors not the show advertised”.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 22:35:51 GMT
I’m afraid that one can only show compassion for things that they are aware of. You can’t be compassionate about ‘a mystery’ absence. She could have just lost her oyster card and be mugging everyone off. If something unpleasant or unthinkable has happened to the poor girl the producers need to say something so that everyone stops prying and theorising. I'll email the producers tomorrow. As soon as they hear there's a small bunch of people on Theatre Board 'prying and theorising', they'll be sure to give answers. 🤣 |
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Post by Kubrick on Mar 5, 2022 22:42:32 GMT
All this chatter about Buckley but no mention of Liza Sadovy being out for well over a week, or more?
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Post by jaggy on Mar 5, 2022 22:44:52 GMT
Whatever the case may be it's the producers lack of transparency that is causing all of this. Producers really should make some kind of statement if a star is missing shows as it can create speculation, false narratives, labelling and ultimately damage an actor's reputation. All things that are happening on this board. The producers are under no obligation to make a statement, its all there in the small print, The terms and conditions when you bought a ticket. The speculation, false narratives etc, are from people who think they are entitled to an answer. You are not. They could put her absences on the website, but seeing as there is no refund or exchange policy and with the rest of her run sold out, it doesn't really achieve or help anyone, unless you want to miss the show all together if she is out. There is no 'above the title' policy here, as we all know, regardless of what we might expect. Also, what might seem a big thing on here, has very, very little effect in the wider world. 99% of the population probably don't even know who Jessie Buckley is, let alone care that she missed a few performances of Cabaret. It certainly won't affect her reputation as an actor. FWIW, why hasn't Jessie herself said anything? We know the producers are under no obligation, we know it's all in the small print, we know what the terms and conditions are and we know there is no 'above the title' policy. This has all been discussed. I think people just want transparency, notifying, a heads up, whatever you want to call it that the actor they've paid £250 for is not going to be present whether it's at certain performances or just one. They advertised the show on the name of the stars. They knew exactly what they were doing when they put the names above the title. And they know exactly what they're doing when withholding such information from its audience when one of the stars is absent. And, yes, I know Buckley isn't known world wide and that this situation isn't going to ruin her career and get her Oscar nomination taken away by the Academy. Hence the reason why I didn't use her name in that sentence. It was a comment on these kind of situations in general. Another user brought up the drama with Sheridan Smith and Donna Murphy. Two actors who were labelled as unprofessional, unreliable and a diva. So, though this will not affect Buckley's career it has affected others. And if I'm totally honest, I'm shocked that you seem to not be able to empathise with the people who are upset or have an opinion that differs from yours. You bring up fine print, terms and conditions, "obligations" as though that's the only reason producers should have any respect for their paying audience members. Decency shouldn't only be given if it's in a terms of service. |
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Post by h86 on Mar 5, 2022 22:50:23 GMT
Lots of chat here about her missing loads of shows but does anyone know how many?
Has Eddie missed any yet or is his record impeccable?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 23:05:22 GMT
And if I'm totally honest, I'm shocked that you seem to not be able to empathise with the people who are upset or have an opinion that differs from yours. You bring up fine print, terms and conditions, "obligations" as though that's the only reason producers should have any respect for their paying audience members. Decency shouldn't only be given if it's in a terms of service. I don't think it's that people don't empathise, as I'm sure everyone here has been in a situation at some point where the actor they really wanted to see was out the day they saw a show, and know how upsetting it is. But we can still be rational about it and understand it's all part and parcel of going to see live theatre. I'm not sure what more the producers can do. We don't know why she's not able to perform, but if it's on doctor's orders, the producers maybe don't know day-to-day if she will. Making an announcement doesn't make any difference, as as with every West End show, refunds are never given when a cast member is out. And her run is sold out, which also means exchanges would not even be possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 23:07:36 GMT
If she's ill, or there has been something serious, I of course understand and wish her well. But I think at a certain point, it should be addressed. I've been following the board for weeks about her attendance as I was very eager to see her. To say I was disappointed was an understatement, but I was incredibly wowed by Emily Benjamin, and (this is no dig to Buckley) I can't imagine Jessie being better as Emily was so terrific. I just think at a certain point, the producers need to address it because this kind of star power at these kinds of prices should come with some accountability. I'm surprised they don't list previous commitments, as we're pretty serious about that over here in NYC. Ah, well. I do hope she's okay.
As for the production - I had a great time, and was blown away by the talent assembled. Sadovy was out (I'm not sure how often that's been occurring, I think this may be a commitment or doctor order as Anna Jane Casey informed me she'd be on for the entirety of the week.) AJ was terrific. She reads a bit young, but sings and acts the crap out of it. I wish I could see her Kost also, as I've no doubt she's stellar to watch in the ensemble sequences.
I don't know that I enjoyed the direction as much as Sam Mendes'. I felt the looming threat of the Nazis was underplayed, and I didn't really feel a genuine fear from anyone but Casey. I also felt that it wasn't incredibly obvious to me that the Emcee, and many others in the club, were going to their deaths. Instead, it felt more like they would assimilate, and join the party (which didn't make much sense to me). Still, a great evening. But I'm not sure I fully appreciated the concept. (The choreography, preshow, orchestrations and performances are all stellar.)
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Post by shadypines on Mar 5, 2022 23:08:36 GMT
I don't care to speculate as to why Jessie or Liza have been out, suffice to say they aren't out because they are "no-show-boe".
The reason they are out is none of our business, and it doesn't matter how much "someone else" has paid.
If you have a complaint with the performance you've purchased and seen, take it up with the producers directly.
You either have a valid claim and they will compensate you, or you don't and they won't.
As I've previously said, there are many medical conditions which may impose irratic absences, none of which are our business or require a statement from the producers.
Ultimately, it's nicer to be kind than cynical.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 23:13:21 GMT
I don't care to speculate as to why Jessie or Liza have been out, suffice to say they aren't out because they are "no-show-boe". The reason they are out is none of our business, and it doesn't matter how much "someone else" has paid. If you have a complaint with the performance you've purchased and seen, take it up with the producers directly. You either have a valid claim and they will compensate you, or you don't and they won't. As I've previously said, there are many medical conditions which may impose irratic absences, none of which are our business or require a statement from the producers. Ultimately, it's nicer to be kind than cynical. I think you undermined your whole point there with your "no-show-boe" comment on the first line. |
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Post by shadypines on Mar 5, 2022 23:16:57 GMT
I don't care to speculate as to why Jessie or Liza have been out, suffice to say they aren't out because they are "no-show-boe". The reason they are out is none of our business, and it doesn't matter how much "someone else" has paid. If you have a complaint with the performance you've purchased and seen, take it up with the producers directly. You either have a valid claim and they will compensate you, or you don't and they won't. As I've previously said, there are many medical conditions which may impose irratic absences, none of which are our business or require a statement from the producers. Ultimately, it's nicer to be kind than cynical. I think you undermined your whole point there with your "no-show-boe" comment on the first line. Alfie is well known for throwing his toys if he missed a note in the first act and refusing to go on in the second. If he's not in the right spiritual mood he might not go on at all. Neither Jessie or Liza are like that. |
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