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Post by Being Alive on Mar 3, 2022 15:14:43 GMT
Sam Barks did it on the first tour. Wayne Sleep as Emcee. Both dreadful. She was SO young when she did it, as was Siobhan Dillon. Both would be much better at it nowadays I think... |
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Post by inthenose on Mar 3, 2022 15:40:08 GMT
Sam Barks did it on the first tour. Wayne Sleep as Emcee. Both dreadful. Weren't they just. Absolutely dire that tour. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 3, 2022 15:45:41 GMT
It was probably not long after that tv competition she was in. Understandably at that young age she had zero stage presence or charisma. She wasn’t capable of carrying it and shouldn’t have been cast.
As for Wayne Sleep prancing about in a pair of stockings. At one point he did a ballet leap and then did that comedy “I’ve done my back in” visual gag. Problem was it was quite likely that he HAD done his back in so the joke fell rather flat. Just like his performance. He wasn’t capable of carrying it and shouldn’t have been cast.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 16:01:59 GMT
Sam Barks did it on the first tour. Wayne Sleep as Emcee. Both dreadful. I thought Sam Barks was a great Sally Bowles, her age made her naivety very believable as well. Not in Jessie Buckley's league of course, but still very good. I'd be interested to see her try the role again now 12 years later. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 16:16:15 GMT
And Wayne had previously played the Emcee in the 1986 London revival directed by Gillian Lynne.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 3, 2022 16:18:37 GMT
And Wayne had previously played the Emcee in the 1986 London revival directed by Gillian Lynne. I think Janie Dee was u/s Sally in that production, I wonder if anyone here saw her? |
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Mar 3, 2022 18:34:19 GMT
I’d imagine we’d have to get a replacement casting update soon, right? Alan Cumming "I'm always right" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 18:34:21 GMT
Janie doing that role post Comic Potential area would have been great.
With new cast I just cannot see how prices can be justified especially as Eddie wasn't taking a Nathan Lane sized fee for his star turn so it was hard to justify even to see him perform.
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 3, 2022 18:56:07 GMT
It would still be so great to see Cumming do the role in a totally different production.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 3, 2022 19:10:40 GMT
With new cast I just cannot see how prices can be justified especially as Eddie wasn't taking a Nathan Lane sized fee for his star turn so it was hard to justify even to see him perform. Isn't the fact that people are obviously paying those prices justification for it? There have been tickets for Eddie available on viagogo, which are much higher than what the theatre charges, and are just touts. Often you don't know exactly where those seats are, or if they have a restriction. I'd much rather see a show charge market value for tickets and know i'm buying from the theatre, and that my money is working it's way into the pockets of the cast and crew and producers and investors. Not every show is successful, but the ones that are, off set the losses they take on the ones that aren't. When a show is struggling to make it's breakeven each week, i don't see anyone saying "wow, this is such a good show i'm going to pay more than they are charging because it's justified". There have been plenty of great shows that have gone on the discount heap because not enough people wanted to see it. |
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 3, 2022 19:24:27 GMT
I think if you look at seats sold post-Eddie/Jessie, a lot of them were sold on the assumption that equal “star power” names would be joining the cast. Now, whether that was smart or not on the part of the ticket buyer is another discussion but I can see how this definitely will hurt the production moving forward, with hesitancy purchasing until future replacements are actually announced and official.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 3, 2022 19:29:39 GMT
I think if you look at seats sold post-Eddie/Jessie, a lot of them were sold on the assumption that equal “star power” names would be joining the cast. Now, whether that was smart or not on the part of the ticket buyer is another discussion but I can see how this definitely will hurt the production moving forward, with hesitancy purchasing until future replacements are actually announced and official. That may well be an excellent argument. It may even be the truth, but i don't recall anywhere in the marketing material that says "next cast will be of equal star power" and they have been honest about his leaving date with "cast to be announced" from the start. |
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 3, 2022 19:33:50 GMT
Of course it’s not in the marketing material but when they’re still charging the same outrageous rates as they were for this first cast - again, it’s the assumption.
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Post by crowblack on Mar 3, 2022 19:34:48 GMT
I think if you look at seats sold post-Eddie/Jessie, a lot of them were sold on the assumption that equal “star power” names would be joining the cast. Now, whether that was smart or not on the part of the ticket buyer is another discussion but I can see how this definitely will hurt the production moving forward, with hesitancy purchasing until future replacements are actually announced and official. That may well be an excellent argument. It may even be the truth, but i don't recall anywhere in the marketing material that says "next cast will be of equal star power" and they have been honest about his leaving date with "cast to be announced" from the start. Though the very high prices continuing after the first stars departed did rather imply that the ones filling their shoes would have similar star power (though yes, nothing was actually said!) |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 3, 2022 19:40:44 GMT
I think if you look at seats sold post-Eddie/Jessie, a lot of them were sold on the assumption that equal “star power” names would be joining the cast. Now, whether that was smart or not on the part of the ticket buyer is another discussion but I can see how this definitely will hurt the production moving forward, with hesitancy purchasing until future replacements are actually announced and official. That may well be an excellent argument. It may even be the truth, but i don't recall anywhere in the marketing material that says "next cast will be of equal star power" and they have been honest about his leaving date with "cast to be announced" from the start. Give over. Really. The seats have been on sale at the same inflated prices for the mystery replacement cast as they were for the A list stars. I don’t think anyone really cares what the “marketing material” says, what we are talking about is what is fair and as it stands a lot of people have bought £250 seats for leads they have never heard of. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 3, 2022 19:43:13 GMT
But like I'm looking on twitter for actual people voicing anger or disappointment at having paid 3 figures for a star name, and I can't find any. A lot of assumptions are going on in this thread about what ticket buyers thought they were doing, but who here spent big bucks expecting celebrities in the roles? I've clearly got a different set of non-stagey friends than anyone else, the ones I know who bought post-change cabaret tickets (2 pairs) did not do it on the basis of thinking they were going to see any stars.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 3, 2022 19:52:29 GMT
That may well be an excellent argument. It may even be the truth, but i don't recall anywhere in the marketing material that says "next cast will be of equal star power" and they have been honest about his leaving date with "cast to be announced" from the start. I don’t think anyone really cares what the “marketing material” says Hang on a second, & button up your trousers.. It was not even days ago when everyone on here was screaming that this show was marketed solely on eddies name and that his name is all over the posters and that if he's not in it you should get a refund. So which is it, the marketing material counts, or it doesn't... you can't cry "we were told he was in it" both ways - because that isn't the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 20:22:22 GMT
That may well be an excellent argument. It may even be the truth, but i don't recall anywhere in the marketing material that says "next cast will be of equal star power" and they have been honest about his leaving date with "cast to be announced" from the start. Give over. Really. The seats have been on sale at the same inflated prices for the mystery replacement cast as they were for the A list stars. I don’t think anyone really cares what the “marketing material” says, what we are talking about is what is fair and as it stands a lot of people have bought £250 seats for leads they have never heard of. But it is fair. People were clearly told that Eddie and Jessie wouldnt be in it. If they then assumed that big names would follow, that's 100% on them. People moan when producers arent up front about things and then moan when they are. Everyone is so wrapped up with the £250 tickets, like they are the only seats available. Unless you have paid £250, why do you care what other people have paid? |
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Post by Being Alive on Mar 3, 2022 20:28:44 GMT
Unless you have paid £250, why do you care what other people have paid? Honestly, this all day every day. |
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Post by theatremiss on Mar 3, 2022 21:00:54 GMT
Michelle Ryan was the girl from Eastenders, though one of the best Sally's in that run was Amy Nuttal from Emmerdale. You know I think I got Amy, it wasn’t Michelle Ryan |
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Post by theatremiss on Mar 3, 2022 21:02:12 GMT
Sam Barks did it on the first tour. Wayne Sleep as Emcee. Both dreadful. Barks is overrated |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Mar 3, 2022 22:43:16 GMT
What ever happened to Amy Nuttall?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 23:44:43 GMT
Michelle Ryan was the girl from Eastenders, though one of the best Sally's in that run was Amy Nuttal from Emmerdale. You know I think I got Amy, it wasn’t Michelle Ryan Amy had her hair cut into a very sharp bob. She is the only red haired Sally I've seen. I believe she had more choreography than other Sally's during the run. She really sparkled during the club numbers and acted the hell out of the scenes. I've not seen her name attached to anything for a while. She would a great addition to this production. |
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Post by carriesparkle on Mar 3, 2022 23:58:40 GMT
Kim Medcalf was the "girl from Eastenders" in the earlier (Maxwell-Martin/Nuttall) West End run, I think. Michelle Ryan was a few years later.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Mar 4, 2022 0:17:57 GMT
I seem to remember Kim Medcalf being rather good
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