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Post by alece10 on Mar 5, 2022 12:40:25 GMT
Out of curiosity, what happens if the Olivier voters show up at a performance when the lead is off? They just give them more champagne so that they can't remember who they saw. 😀
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Post by poster J on Mar 5, 2022 13:09:14 GMT
Try thinking things through before you post - she will have signed up to do Cabaret probably a year ago (if not longer), so it obviously wouldn't have been known then that she would be nominated for awards, as the film hadn't been released yet (I think it was only filmed last summer?). And unless you have some crystal ball that none of the rest of us have then illness isn't something that can be predicted either. I'm sure there was a post a few pages ago saying Buckley was on a reduced show schedule on doctor's orders. Even if she is out to go to an awards ceremony (the Independent Spirit Awards are in LA, which answers your question about why she would be out for more than one day if that is the reason) then even if she isn't contractually obliged to promote her film in that way (I wouldn't put it past Netflix to require that but I accept it may not be the case), I don't think anyone can blame her for wanting to attend an event that might recognise her talent and that in any event will raise her profile with important people in the industry. Her career is more than a short run in a show and she cannot be blamed for looking longer term. No doubt if she is out for an Awards show she won't be getting paid for Cabaret - her choice and objectively a very sensible one if that is the reason. Given none of this could be known when tickets were put on sale, how exactly do you suggest such absences are "made clear from the outset"? Most people have sufficient common sense to know that (as all theatre tickets say) the appearance of any artist cannot be guaranteed, and to understand that people can get sick or circumstances can change without throwing a tantrum about it. Frankly there are far more important things going on in the world at the minute and some people are taking this so far out of any reasonable perspective. Anyone can be irritated she isn't on if she's out for a performance they attend, of course, but all this mudslinging is wholly unnecessary. Are you just Jessie Buckley/her agent/mum/sister? Your devotion to her is… fascinating! And I didn’t realise that flights from London to LA now take four days 🤪 Not at all, I make no secret of the fact that I am a fan, but I also don't have any issue in calling out posts that make no sense. And especially ones that are unfair and unwarranted to the very actors this board exists to discuss and (I thought) support. I've missed performers I've wanted to see countless times, but I don't blame them for it, let alone go on the same rant about it half a dozen times. The fact that is the only response you could think of to my post says a lot. And you clearly have no understanding of the Hollywood awards season machinery or the concept of jetlag.
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Post by justsaying113 on Mar 5, 2022 13:53:34 GMT
I understand the disappointment of people and, frankly, I also understand those here who are critical. If someone is genuinely unwell then all sympathy and support should be afforded them. However, if someone is repeatedly missing performances (including possibly to attend an awards ceremony) then that is unacceptable - Zoom in your acceptance speech for heaven's sake; that used to be the norm.The problem now is (a) that producers are so immersed in their greed when it comes to pricing and (b) many of the supposed "stars" of today lack either the stamina or the inclination for a sustained eight-show-a-week run. How did so many performers of old manage an eight show week for two, three years without such flaky attendance records. If there's not a valid reason, then its simply a lack of professionalism.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 5, 2022 13:58:22 GMT
I understand supporting/defending favourite performers when they get stick which we feel is unmerited. I do it often on here with Sheridan Smith, who I think is terrific but has a huge number of people who don't agree.
What I don't try and do is correct their opinion or spin anything to suit an agenda. We won't agree, I have no need to call names or score points, because I just enjoy the debate and hearing other views.
In this case, it is pretty black and white to me. She has missed a number of shows - this isn't good. There may be excellent reasons. But missing this many shows isn't good, no matter how great the performer is. The REASONS might be there, the FACTS are that a lot of people are disappointed and allowed to be (and share that view on here) whether we like it or not.
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Post by poster J on Mar 5, 2022 14:16:20 GMT
The bottom line is that no-one actually knows why she has been out so much lately, yet so many people seem intent on jumping to negative conclusions and criticising without any proven basis or looking at the wider picture. It isn't black and white in the slightest. Whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt? It's the exact same reason I found the exact same debate in the Cinderella thread so disappointingly lacking in compassion.
You don't know what is going on in someone else's life, no matter what the public profile or front anyone is putting on. A bit of compassion and considering what the rational reasons for absences might be rather than negative assumptions doesn't hurt anyone, and it's kinder than pointing fingers at the performer.
That's really the whole point and it seems to have been lost or ignored by many.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2022 14:24:19 GMT
People can be compassionate and at the same time very disappointed and yes annoyed that they didn’t get what they paid for. The two are not mutually exclusive. Telling people they’re not allowed to be annoyed or disappointed isn’t very compassionate either.
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Post by Joseph Buquet on Mar 5, 2022 14:27:43 GMT
Are you just Jessie Buckley/her agent/mum/sister? Your devotion to her is… fascinating! And I didn’t realise that flights from London to LA now take four days 🤪 Not at all, I make no secret of the fact that I am a fan, but I also don't have any issue in calling out posts that make no sense. And especially ones that are unfair and unwarranted to the very actors this board exists to discuss and (I thought) support. I've missed performers I've wanted to see countless times, but I don't blame them for it, let alone go on the same rant about it half a dozen times. The fact that is the only response you could think of to my post says a lot. And you clearly have no understanding of the Hollywood awards season machinery or the concept of jetlag. Please point me in the direction of “half a dozen” posts where I blame Jessie Buckley for anything. I’m afraid that you’ve resorted to making things up at my expense, which I do take objection to. I’d suggest you correct the record accordingly, please. I’ve been clear that most of my frustration is aimed at the producers, and their handling of a number of areas in relation to this production. And I absolutely stand by that. Having said that, I don’t share your seeming admiration of Jessie Buckley’s focus on award shows, when she has made commitments to paying audience members in a short theatre run. Have you never seen people accept their award via video link? If I were to read that she’d missed an award show because she wanted to honour her commitments to members of the public who wanted to see her, I’d admire that much more. I’ve never even heard of the Independent Spirit Awards - it’s hardly the Oscars! I also appreciate that these decisions are probably taken entirely out of her hands. On the times I’ve met her, she’s been lovely, and I’m sure she wouldn’t want to disappoint anyone. And yes, I know that there are more important things going on in the world right now - and they’re also more important than whether Jessie Buckley gets to attend an award show. I still appreciate that we don’t know for sure why she is missing so many performances - it may have nothing to do with award shows. There does seem to have been a change since she was nominated for an Oscar. But maybe she has been ill, which - despite further unsubstantiated accusations which you have made about me to the contrary - I of course appreciate that this can’t be predicted or helped. Please try to change your style on this board - you don’t hesitate to throw accusations of lack of common sense, lack of thought, tantrums, talking nonsense etc - and it makes this quite an unpleasant place to be. Your unfailing devotion for famous actors unfortunately lets you get carried away with yourself. As you admit, things aren’t always black and white - so try and bear that in mind in your responses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 14:31:25 GMT
I remember when David Tennant did Hamlet in 2010, he was denied an Olivier nomination because he missed so many performances.
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Post by amp09 on Mar 5, 2022 14:44:10 GMT
Try thinking things through before you post - she will have signed up to do Cabaret probably a year ago (if not longer), so it obviously wouldn't have been known then that she would be nominated for awards, as the film hadn't been released yet (I think it was only filmed last summer?). And unless you have some crystal ball that none of the rest of us have then illness isn't something that can be predicted either. I'm sure there was a post a few pages ago saying Buckley was on a reduced show schedule on doctor's orders. Even if she is out to go to an awards ceremony (the Independent Spirit Awards are in LA, which answers your question about why she would be out for more than one day if that is the reason) then even if she isn't contractually obliged to promote her film in that way (I wouldn't put it past Netflix to require that but I accept it may not be the case), I don't think anyone can blame her for wanting to attend an event that might recognise her talent and that in any event will raise her profile with important people in the industry. Her career is more than a short run in a show and she cannot be blamed for looking longer term. No doubt if she is out for an Awards show she won't be getting paid for Cabaret - her choice and objectively a very sensible one if that is the reason. Given none of this could be known when tickets were put on sale, how exactly do you suggest such absences are "made clear from the outset"? Most people have sufficient common sense to know that (as all theatre tickets say) the appearance of any artist cannot be guaranteed, and to understand that people can get sick or circumstances can change without throwing a tantrum about it. Frankly there are far more important things going on in the world at the minute and some people are taking this so far out of any reasonable perspective. Anyone can be irritated she isn't on if she's out for a performance they attend, of course, but all this mudslinging is wholly unnecessary. Are you just Jessie Buckley/her agent/mum/sister? Your devotion to her is… fascinating! And I didn’t realise that flights from London to LA now take four days 🤪 It’s not as simple as a flight there, attend and come home. She’ll be tied into taking part in media appearances/interviews in the lead up to the awards through her contract with the production company to promote the film.
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Post by amp09 on Mar 5, 2022 14:53:53 GMT
The bottom line is that no-one actually knows why she has been out so much lately, yet so many people seem intent on jumping to negative conclusions and criticising without any proven basis or looking at the wider picture. It isn't black and white in the slightest. Whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt? It's the exact same reason I found the exact same debate in the Cinderella thread so disappointingly lacking in compassion. You don't know what is going on in someone else's life, no matter what the public profile or front anyone is putting on. A bit of compassion and considering what the rational reasons for absences might be rather than negative assumptions doesn't hurt anyone, and it's kinder than pointing fingers at the performer. That's really the whole point and it seems to have been lost or ignored by many. Whilst the root of the issue is the same, the lack of compassion for CHF in the other thread stems from how she conducts herself and berates paying customers on social media. This is not happening here and I applaud Jessie for that… Carrie take note.
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Post by jaggy on Mar 5, 2022 15:21:57 GMT
I really can't imagine her missing performances for award shows. If that is the case then the producers, Buckley and her agent are brainless. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know seeing Buckley enjoying herself at some awards show whilst being absent from a £250 show would create a negative reaction. Anne Bancroft didn't even attend the Oscars the year she won because she was starring in Mother Courage in New York.
Whatever the case may be it's the producers lack of transparency that is causing all of this. Producers really should make some kind of statement if a star is missing shows as it can create speculation, false narratives, labelling and ultimately damage an actor's reputation. All things that are happening on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 16:15:15 GMT
I really can't imagine her missing performances for award shows. If that is the case then the producers, Buckley and her agent are brainless. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know seeing Buckley enjoying herself at some awards show whilst being absent from a £250 show would create a negative reaction. Anne Bancroft didn't even attend the Oscars the year she won because she was starring in Mother Courage in New York. Whatever the case may be it's the producers lack of transparency that is causing all of this. Producers really should make some kind of statement if a star is missing shows as it can create speculation, false narratives, labelling and ultimately damage an actor's reputation. All things that are happening on this board. Well that and the fact that Joan Crawford brainwashed her into letting her accept if she won lol. I really think the dedication to 8 shows a week and the stamina required is a thing of the past.
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Post by poster J on Mar 5, 2022 16:54:21 GMT
Not at all, I make no secret of the fact that I am a fan, but I also don't have any issue in calling out posts that make no sense. And especially ones that are unfair and unwarranted to the very actors this board exists to discuss and (I thought) support. I've missed performers I've wanted to see countless times, but I don't blame them for it, let alone go on the same rant about it half a dozen times. The fact that is the only response you could think of to my post says a lot. And you clearly have no understanding of the Hollywood awards season machinery or the concept of jetlag. Please point me in the direction of “half a dozen” posts where I blame Jessie Buckley for anything. I’m afraid that you’ve resorted to making things up at my expense, which I do take objection to. I’d suggest you correct the record accordingly, please. I’ve been clear that most of my frustration is aimed at the producers, and their handling of a number of areas in relation to this production. And I absolutely stand by that. Having said that, I don’t share your seeming admiration of Jessie Buckley’s focus on award shows, when she has made commitments to paying audience members in a short theatre run. Have you never seen people accept their award via video link? If I were to read that she’d missed an award show because she wanted to honour her commitments to members of the public who wanted to see her, I’d admire that much more. I’ve never even heard of the Independent Spirit Awards - it’s hardly the Oscars! I also appreciate that these decisions are probably taken entirely out of her hands. On the times I’ve met her, she’s been lovely, and I’m sure she wouldn’t want to disappoint anyone. And yes, I know that there are more important things going on in the world right now - and they’re also more important than whether Jessie Buckley gets to attend an award show. I still appreciate that we don’t know for sure why she is missing so many performances - it may have nothing to do with award shows. There does seem to have been a change since she was nominated for an Oscar. But maybe she has been ill, which - despite further unsubstantiated accusations which you have made about me to the contrary - I of course appreciate that this can’t be predicted or helped. Please try to change your style on this board - you don’t hesitate to throw accusations of lack of common sense, lack of thought, tantrums, talking nonsense etc - and it makes this quite an unpleasant place to be. Your unfailing devotion for famous actors unfortunately lets you get carried away with yourself. As you admit, things aren’t always black and white - so try and bear that in mind in your responses. I wasn't talking about you specifically but the multiple posts berating her for being absent - apologies for not making that clear. Let me be clear, everything I have said is aimed at the negative assumptions being made about performers, not at any one specific poster. I wasn't making anything up about you at all so please don't make things up about me either - I have no "unfailing devotion" to celebrities at all, I said pretty much the same things in the Cinderella thread and I don't like Carrie Hope Fletcher in the slightest. I have never said that people are not entitled to be disappointed at "star" absences (despite the conversations in this thread about Redmayne being the star casting rather than Buckley, which is an interesting contradiction), of course they are. People are entitled to be annoyed at any absence. I have been when I've booked to see a particular star and they've been off. But that doesn't excuse negative assumptions that as others have pointed out threaten to impact reputations. Those are unpleasant things to read and in my opinion should be called out for lack of consideration towards the performers concerned and the wider picture. The performers are not robots and this particular production is not their whole career, so tunnel vision regarding anyone's absence is not helpful. I am not saying you were doing that, but some reactions did seem to assume that there couldn't possibly be a good reason for her being off again, and it seems to me to be much fairer to any performer to try to understand possible absence reasons from their perspective given it's their career.
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Post by danb on Mar 5, 2022 17:39:21 GMT
Whilst we aren’t in any way entitled to know the ins and outs of a performers health struggles etc, it would be a lot more transparent, and better for the reputation of the performer, if the theatre at least went back to the language of ‘due to the indisposition of…’ or advertising holiday dates. Until they do so, unhelpful conversations like these will continue.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 5, 2022 17:54:26 GMT
Often producers reschedule a performance if a star is nominated for an Oscar and will fly to LA. It happens all the time on Broadway and we saw something similar a few years ago when Lesley Manville was nominated for an Academy Award and they rescheduled a performance of Long Day's Journey into Night. Besides, the chances of Buckley winning anything against DeBose are very slim, I doubt she'd bother travelling all that way just to sit there for hours and lose, except for Oscars, and by then her run in Cabaret will be over.
It looks more like a Sheridan Smith in Funny Girl situation, in which for several weeks patrons would go to the theatre and the people at the Savoy would pretend to be surprised SS was missing and the "understudy" Natasha Barnes was going on instead. Except that Jessie Buckley is still doing some performances. I don't think she hasn't missed more than a performance between November and February, so I really wouldn't accuse her of being unprofessional. Producers often force sick stars (eg Donna Murphy in Wonderful Town) to hide their condition in order to avoid affecting sales or dealing with too many ticket exchanges.
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Post by shady23 on Mar 5, 2022 18:00:54 GMT
I imagine if Eddie was feeling ill on a day when Jessie was off the production would find themselves with a big problem!
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Post by minion on Mar 5, 2022 18:05:48 GMT
Often producers reschedule a performance if a star is nominated for an Oscar and will fly to LA. It happens all the time on Broadway and we saw something similar a few years ago when Lesley Manville was nominated for an Academy Award and they rescheduled a performance of Long Day's Journey into Night. Besides, the chances of Buckley winning anything against DeBose are very slim, I doubt she'd bother travelling all that way just to sit there for hours and lose, except for Oscars, and by then her run in Cabaret will be over. It looks more like a Sheridan Smith in Funny Girl situation, in which for several weeks patrons would go to the theatre and the people at the Savoy would pretend to be surprised SS was missing and the "understudy" Natasha Barnes was going on instead. Except that Jessie Buckley is still doing some performances. I don't think she hasn't missed more than a performance between November and February, so I really wouldn't accuse her of being unprofessional. Producers often force sick stars (eg Donna Murphy in Wonderful Town) to hide their condition in order to avoid affecting sales or dealing with too many ticket exchanges. Honestly don't think the producers would be faced with demands for ticket exchanges when everyone knows the show is sold-out for the two stars' run. No one, bar maybe an odd person here and there, would be willing to miss out on seeing Redmayne in some misguided attempt to go seeking shows when both will be available.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 5, 2022 18:40:16 GMT
I booked to see this last night and no mention of Jessie Buckley being “out” I paid 3x times more than my Covid cancelled ticket in December.
If you are star billing in a show which Jessie Buckley is - then you should perform in every show unless sick, especially when it is a limited run show. Her priority is the show and not picking up a award, if picking up award is so important to her and Netflix she could have flown to LA Sunday morning and got her award that evening, it doesn’t take a week to pick up an award I’m afraid and I will be surprised if it is a contract obligation to attend a none to prestigious awards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 19:59:07 GMT
Whatever the case may be it's the producers lack of transparency that is causing all of this. Producers really should make some kind of statement if a star is missing shows as it can create speculation, false narratives, labelling and ultimately damage an actor's reputation. All things that are happening on this board. The producers are under no obligation to make a statement, its all there in the small print, The terms and conditions when you bought a ticket. The speculation, false narratives etc, are from people who think they are entitled to an answer. You are not. They could put her absences on the website, but seeing as there is no refund or exchange policy and with the rest of her run sold out, it doesn't really achieve or help anyone, unless you want to miss the show all together if she is out. There is no 'above the title' policy here, as we all know, regardless of what we might expect. Also, what might seem a big thing on here, has very, very little effect in the wider world. 99% of the population probably don't even know who Jessie Buckley is, let alone care that she missed a few performances of Cabaret. It certainly won't affect her reputation as an actor. FWIW, why hasn't Jessie herself said anything?
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Post by Boob on Mar 5, 2022 20:22:34 GMT
Out of curiosity, what happens if the Olivier voters show up at a performance when the lead is off? You will be offered tickets to another date. I ended up seeing a few shows more than once for this reason.
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Post by apubleed on Mar 5, 2022 20:24:26 GMT
Tbfl, when Glenn Close missed those performances in SUNSET and the producers refused refunds, regardless of what is in the small ‘fine print’ or not, do you honestly think that is sincere and ethical commercial behaviour?
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Post by marob on Mar 5, 2022 21:33:14 GMT
If a lead performer’s off ill, just say they’re ill on the social media or whatever. The secrecy just makes it a thing when it really doesn’t need to be. If the performer’s doing an Alfie Boe and going off to promote an album or whatever it was that made him miss so many Celeb Les Miz shows then I think people have every right to be annoyed if it’s not advertised in advance.
But it’s pretty typical of the way some theatres are run in this country. We’ve had two years of “we can’t wait to welcome our wonderful audiences back.” Then something like this happens and the default position seems to be “we’ve got your money, now go f*** yourself.”
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Post by shadypines on Mar 5, 2022 22:00:20 GMT
I remember when David Tennant did Hamlet in 2010, he was denied an Olivier nomination because he missed so many performances. David Tennant missed THE ENTIRE RUN at the Novello.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 5, 2022 22:05:43 GMT
Jessie has missed a bunch of performances in peak Olivier voting time.
No producer worth their salt would let a lead call out to attend anything, during this period. She's obvs not said "I need to miss a performance to accept my Oscar".
Statement or naught, she is likely ill and deserves privacy and compassion.
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Post by danb on Mar 5, 2022 22:27:48 GMT
I’m afraid that one can only show compassion for things that they are aware of. You can’t be compassionate about ‘a mystery’ absence. She could have just lost her oyster card and be mugging everyone off. If something unpleasant or unthinkable has happened to the poor girl the producers need to say something so that everyone stops prying and theorising.
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 5, 2022 22:31:49 GMT
If she had been out for a month straight then “Pray for Jessie” would be warranted but missing a ton of sporadic performances hardly equals “Jessie is ill and we need to meet at the theatre at 7pm with candles to hold a vigil” - it leads to a simple inquiry about why she’s missing shows. And it’s warranted since y’know, her name is right there over the title of the show. I swear if the lights went down and they performed “Oklahoma”, some people would say “You paid to see the actors not the show advertised”.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 22:35:51 GMT
I’m afraid that one can only show compassion for things that they are aware of. You can’t be compassionate about ‘a mystery’ absence. She could have just lost her oyster card and be mugging everyone off. If something unpleasant or unthinkable has happened to the poor girl the producers need to say something so that everyone stops prying and theorising. I'll email the producers tomorrow. As soon as they hear there's a small bunch of people on Theatre Board 'prying and theorising', they'll be sure to give answers. 🤣
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Post by Kubrick on Mar 5, 2022 22:42:32 GMT
All this chatter about Buckley but no mention of Liza Sadovy being out for well over a week, or more?
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Post by jaggy on Mar 5, 2022 22:44:52 GMT
Whatever the case may be it's the producers lack of transparency that is causing all of this. Producers really should make some kind of statement if a star is missing shows as it can create speculation, false narratives, labelling and ultimately damage an actor's reputation. All things that are happening on this board. The producers are under no obligation to make a statement, its all there in the small print, The terms and conditions when you bought a ticket. The speculation, false narratives etc, are from people who think they are entitled to an answer. You are not. They could put her absences on the website, but seeing as there is no refund or exchange policy and with the rest of her run sold out, it doesn't really achieve or help anyone, unless you want to miss the show all together if she is out. There is no 'above the title' policy here, as we all know, regardless of what we might expect. Also, what might seem a big thing on here, has very, very little effect in the wider world. 99% of the population probably don't even know who Jessie Buckley is, let alone care that she missed a few performances of Cabaret. It certainly won't affect her reputation as an actor. FWIW, why hasn't Jessie herself said anything? We know the producers are under no obligation, we know it's all in the small print, we know what the terms and conditions are and we know there is no 'above the title' policy. This has all been discussed. I think people just want transparency, notifying, a heads up, whatever you want to call it that the actor they've paid £250 for is not going to be present whether it's at certain performances or just one. They advertised the show on the name of the stars. They knew exactly what they were doing when they put the names above the title. And they know exactly what they're doing when withholding such information from its audience when one of the stars is absent. And, yes, I know Buckley isn't known world wide and that this situation isn't going to ruin her career and get her Oscar nomination taken away by the Academy. Hence the reason why I didn't use her name in that sentence. It was a comment on these kind of situations in general. Another user brought up the drama with Sheridan Smith and Donna Murphy. Two actors who were labelled as unprofessional, unreliable and a diva. So, though this will not affect Buckley's career it has affected others. And if I'm totally honest, I'm shocked that you seem to not be able to empathise with the people who are upset or have an opinion that differs from yours. You bring up fine print, terms and conditions, "obligations" as though that's the only reason producers should have any respect for their paying audience members. Decency shouldn't only be given if it's in a terms of service.
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Post by h86 on Mar 5, 2022 22:50:23 GMT
Lots of chat here about her missing loads of shows but does anyone know how many?
Has Eddie missed any yet or is his record impeccable?
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