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Post by shadypines on Feb 17, 2022 16:11:19 GMT
Walk around the Playhouse and you'll see the words "Eddie Redmayne/Jessie Buckley" printed as many times as you see the word "Cabaret". It's really silly to argue that the marketing on the backs of those names doesn't matter because "the show is the star". I'm not sure it's polite or necessary to call someone's argument "silly" just because you disagree with it. Regardless of whether you agree that the show is the star or not, in London you are buying the show, and not the cast. If you want to buy the cast, see a show on Broadway where it is significantly more expensive than here. |
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Post by Mark on Feb 17, 2022 16:16:10 GMT
Walk around the Playhouse and you'll see the words "Eddie Redmayne/Jessie Buckley" printed as many times as you see the word "Cabaret". It's really silly to argue that the marketing on the backs of those names doesn't matter because "the show is the star". I'm not sure it's polite or necessary to call someone's argument "silly" just because you disagree with it. Regardless of whether you agree that the show is the star or not, in London you are buying the show, and not the cast. If you want to buy the cast, see a show on Broadway where it is significantly more expensive than here. That might apply to other shows, but not to Cabaret, which is charging well in excess of what you'd pay for a top price ticket to see pretty much anything on Broadway (Music Man aside) |
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Post by mattnyc on Feb 17, 2022 16:17:40 GMT
Well I’ll disagree with you there. It is “silly” to argue that clear marketing on those names isn’t actually marketing on those names when they’re plastered all around the theatre.
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Post by Being Alive on Feb 17, 2022 16:19:45 GMT
Well I’ll disagree with you there. It is “silly” to argue that clear marketing on those names isn’t actually marketing on those names when they’re plastered all around the theatre. But this is YOUR opinion, shadypines and others (including me) have a different view. |
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Post by mattnyc on Feb 17, 2022 16:20:55 GMT
I never said what I wrote was being written as a set in stone fact.
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Post by shadypines on Feb 17, 2022 16:21:49 GMT
I'm not sure it's polite or necessary to call someone's argument "silly" just because you disagree with it. Regardless of whether you agree that the show is the star or not, in London you are buying the show, and not the cast. If you want to buy the cast, see a show on Broadway where it is significantly more expensive than here. That might apply to other shows, but not to Cabaret, which is charging well in excess of what you'd pay for a top price ticket to see pretty much anything on Broadway (Music Man aside) Why is "Music Man" aside? Surely if you're comparing apples, then you compare the hottest ticket in London (Cabaret) with the hottest ticket on Broadway (Music Man). |
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Post by callum on Feb 17, 2022 16:22:36 GMT
People like to see famous people on stage... breaking news!
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Post by mattnyc on Feb 17, 2022 16:30:30 GMT
The top ticket price for “Music Man” is around $700, much more than “Cabaret”.
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Post by Mark on Feb 17, 2022 16:35:45 GMT
That might apply to other shows, but not to Cabaret, which is charging well in excess of what you'd pay for a top price ticket to see pretty much anything on Broadway (Music Man aside) Why is "Music Man" aside? Surely if you're comparing apples, then you compare the hottest ticket in London (Cabaret) with the hottest ticket on Broadway (Music Man). Alright then, maybe not "Music Man Aside". For next Wednesday afternoon, both Cabaret and Music Man have one ticket left in their Dress Circle/Mezzanine. Row F for Cabaret (£250) row E for Music Man ($199, or about £150). The difference being, if Jackman is out, you can get a refund. If Redmayne is out, you can't. People don't pay £250 to see Cabaret, they pay it to see the star casting. For what it's worth, I paid £30 for Cabaret and $49 for Music Man. As a regular theatre goer I'm privileged to easy access to information on how to get cheaper tickets, and reading posts on here for extra cheaper tickets going on sale. Most theatregoers aren't like that. If they're paying £250 then they sure as hell wanna see the stars. I wouldn't have paid £180 for my Hello, Dolly! ticket if I'd of known Bette Midler was to be out that day. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 16:39:21 GMT
No. Only if the production itself includes the star - i.e. the star's name is in the title of the show as sold, and therefore what you are paying for is a guarantee to see both the star and the show. This is being sold as Cabaret, not "Cabaret with Eddie Redmayne and Jessie Buckley" or "Eddie Redmayne and Jessie Buckley in Cabaret" They happen to be the current stars and therefore inevitably the focus of the promotion, but you aren't watching an Eddie Redmayne and Jessie Buckley concert, you are watching Cabaret. You bought a ticket to the show, not a guarantee to see a particular performer. It's really that simple. As Mark points out, the West End and Broadway have entirely contrasting policies, where the star’s name is above the title - as is the case for this production. What makes you so confident that the West End’s approach is right, and Broadway’s approach is wrong? Not “really that simple”, after all… I didn't say anything about right or wrong, all I'm talking about is the actual position, which you've admitted yourself is exactly what I said! |
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Post by shadypines on Feb 17, 2022 16:40:23 GMT
The top ticket price for “Music Man” is around $700, much more than “Cabaret”. Exactly, Cabaret is half that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 16:41:57 GMT
Regardless of who or what is the star, if a named person isn't on stage, you ain't getting your money back. But, if there was an insurance type of add on, where you paid say, £2.50 per ticket, that meant that if the named person wasn't on the night you had tickets, you got a full refund, would you pay the £2.50? Exactly. Everyone would no doubt pay that, but no insurer is going to cover it, so it isn't something that exists. People can moan all they like but the UK theatre scene doesn't have Broadway above the title policy/tradition, and surely everyone can understand the financial reasons for that. |
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Post by Joseph Buquet on Feb 17, 2022 16:44:32 GMT
As Mark points out, the West End and Broadway have entirely contrasting policies, where the star’s name is above the title - as is the case for this production. What makes you so confident that the West End’s approach is right, and Broadway’s approach is wrong? Not “really that simple”, after all… I didn't say anything about right or wrong, all I'm talking about is the actual position, which you've admitted yourself is exactly what I said! I think it’s quite clear that people are debating what the policy should be. |
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Post by danb on Feb 17, 2022 16:47:59 GMT
People are human. Even if they published every anticipated day off, sometimes people get ill. Sometimes they get injured. If a 'star' has to take an extended period of leave and everyone demands their money back, that show cannot survive. And what an insult to the understudies working their asses off, being made to feel like their performance is worthless. Audience members know what the risk they're taking when they book their ticket - you are not guaranteed the appearance of anyone, star or not. If you don't want to risk seeing Cabaret without Eddie Redmayne, don't book a ticket. Theatre, a beautifully live art form that is so effective *because* of the the humans onstage, is not the art form for you. Oh here we go 🙄 let’s politicise it. It isn’t an insult to anyone. Some of my very favourite performances have been from understudies and alternates. If that is how they choose to take it that is on them; they are in the wrong game to be thin skinned. The conversation is about advertising days that the artist already knows they are unavailable and has off. The production has a responsibility to advertise this to avoid disappointing people. Actors are really being given a rough ride on social media when they are off despite them being unadvertised booked dates. This is the only ‘business’ I can think of where it is legitimate to mislead the paying public. Producers need to get honest and quick! Have a member of the production team who is all over holidays & honestly advertises them on social media. For every upset tween who is missing their favourite Queen, there will be many friends & family delighted to see them in their understudy track as well as those that follow them and want to see them also. It’s called honesty and its called transparency, and God knows the country is sadly lacking in both these days. At least one high profile, newly installed lead I know of isn’t allowed to advertise her holidays and off days, which may lead to many disappointed faces, which you say they are wrong to have. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 17:51:29 GMT
Regardless of who or what is the star, if a named person isn't on stage, you ain't getting your money back. But, if there was an insurance type of add on, where you paid say, £2.50 per ticket, that meant that if the named person wasn't on the night you had tickets, you got a full refund, would you pay the £2.50? Exactly. Everyone would no doubt pay that, but no insurer is going to cover it, so it isn't something that exists. People can moan all they like but the UK theatre scene doesn't have Broadway above the title policy/tradition, and surely everyone can understand the financial reasons for that. I know basically nothing about insurance, but i wonder if it is something producers could put in place? It could be a nice little earner, as long as the stars arent off too often. In terms of good customer service, there should be some sort of policy in place, but at the same time, its supply and demand and the production was put on with the intention of making money. You don't have to pay alot of money to see Cabaret. I've seen it twice now and paid a total of £105 for both tickets. I've also got front row upper circle for the end of March, for the new cast, whoever they are, and that was also £50. If you have already bought tickets, you knew the policy when you booked it (read the small print...) so people cant complain about it, but thats not to say that any future productions cant put a policy in place for their star names, but if i was a producer, i wouldnt. |
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Post by Boob on Feb 17, 2022 22:29:49 GMT
Anna Jane Casey on for F. Schneider tonight. Does she usually cover the role or is it a one-off Covid special?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 17, 2022 22:33:43 GMT
Anna Jane Casey on for F. Schneider tonight. Does she usually cover the role or is it a one-off Covid special? She's the understudy, it must have been scheduled since Liza Sadovy was there today to shoot the trailer |
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Post by Deal J on Feb 17, 2022 23:59:41 GMT
I could see Matt Smith as a potential for the next Emcee, he was great in American Psycho. He seems to have been getting a lot of film work lately though, so probably isn’t available.
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Post by teamyali on Feb 18, 2022 1:34:20 GMT
Ooohhh Matt Smith! A glorious idea! He does remind me of Eddie in some way.
Potential next Emcees?
Andrew Scott
Russell Tovey
Matt Smith
Luke Thallon
Daniel Radcliffe
Jonathan Bailey (very unlikely due to Cock about to premiere at Ambassadors but I’d love to see more of his like everywhere on stage and screen)
Potential next Sally?
Billie Piper
Erin Doherty
Patsy Ferran
Gemma Arterton
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Post by pomegranate on Feb 18, 2022 7:11:03 GMT
How about Lily James for Sally? I would love to see a Pursuit of Love reunion with Lily James and Andrew Scott.
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Post by distantcousin on Feb 18, 2022 8:29:39 GMT
The top ticket price for “Music Man” is around $700, much more than “Cabaret”. WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!? |
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Post by distantcousin on Feb 18, 2022 8:33:43 GMT
Why is "Music Man" aside? Surely if you're comparing apples, then you compare the hottest ticket in London (Cabaret) with the hottest ticket on Broadway (Music Man). Alright then, maybe not "Music Man Aside". For next Wednesday afternoon, both Cabaret and Music Man have one ticket left in their Dress Circle/Mezzanine. Row F for Cabaret (£250) row E for Music Man ($199, or about £150). The difference being, if Jackman is out, you can get a refund. If Redmayne is out, you can't. People don't pay £250 to see Cabaret, they pay it to see the star casting. For what it's worth, I paid £30 for Cabaret and $49 for Music Man. As a regular theatre goer I'm privileged to easy access to information on how to get cheaper tickets, and reading posts on here for extra cheaper tickets going on sale. Most theatregoers aren't like that. If they're paying £250 then they sure as hell wanna see the stars. I wouldn't have paid £180 for my Hello, Dolly! ticket if I'd of known Bette Midler was to be out that day. Definitely, for the casual theatregoer, they are the "currency" of a show. I can guarantee you, every time I've told people in my social circle or colleagues, I've been or am going to see a production in the West End, at least one person will invariably say "oh, who is/was in it?" (by that they mean "famous" or "someone I'd known off the telly" or films) |
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Post by alece10 on Feb 18, 2022 10:23:29 GMT
Alright then, maybe not "Music Man Aside". For next Wednesday afternoon, both Cabaret and Music Man have one ticket left in their Dress Circle/Mezzanine. Row F for Cabaret (£250) row E for Music Man ($199, or about £150). The difference being, if Jackman is out, you can get a refund. If Redmayne is out, you can't. People don't pay £250 to see Cabaret, they pay it to see the star casting. For what it's worth, I paid £30 for Cabaret and $49 for Music Man. As a regular theatre goer I'm privileged to easy access to information on how to get cheaper tickets, and reading posts on here for extra cheaper tickets going on sale. Most theatregoers aren't like that. If they're paying £250 then they sure as hell wanna see the stars. I wouldn't have paid £180 for my Hello, Dolly! ticket if I'd of known Bette Midler was to be out that day. Definitely, for the casual theatregoer, they are the "currency" of a show. I can guarantee you, every time I've told people in my social circle or colleagues, I've been or am going to see a production in the West End, at least one person will invariably say "oh, who is/was in it?" (by that they mean "famous" or "someone I'd known off the telly" or films) Agree totally. My work colleagues all know how much I love and go to the theatre so the topic of conversation is always around what I have just seen or about to see. Usually they give me a blank look as they have never heard of the musical that I am going to see but the one question they always ask is "anyone famous in it". Generally I have to say "no one you would have heard of" even though to me and you they are well know west end actors, but unless they have been on TV or in films they have never heard of them. With Cabaret they mostly knew who Eddie Redmayne was but no one had heard of Jessie Buckley. |
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Post by ruthieh on Feb 18, 2022 13:31:58 GMT
What about Matt Smith or David Tenant and Billie Piper?!
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 18, 2022 13:57:13 GMT
Why does ATG sell all the return tickets at £250 regardless of the original price point of the ticket?? There are loads of returns for tomorrow evening and I would have loved to go, but definitely not for £250.
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