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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on May 22, 2016 11:19:31 GMT
Human nature, ten people compliment you for something and one complains, the complaint is the one that most people dwell on. One in a hundred or thousand? Still so but more amused than concerned unless that one person does/says something disproportionately upsetting.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 22, 2016 11:43:15 GMT
Other than the fact that the actors attention should be to stay in character, not searching the audience for who is clapping and who isnt, I think actors should go in to the buisness knowing/assuming not everyone is going to praise them endlessly/love them/ agree woth them unconditionally. Actors get panned in reviews and torn apart by gossip channels. That one person who doesn't clap just doesn't strike me as insulting. I'va had peopld disagree and criticize my work (hell I worked in a job here lives were on the line and disagreements with those above you could result in jail time, not joking, I was close), and my mindset, on the non critical things was- live and let live... I assure you I was never applauded or thanked at the end of a work day, and am completely fine with that, because I was content with the work I was doing, I felt like I was doing a good job and I was, moreover it was a job I couldnt stand. They love their job (I think) and ARE getting praised for it- stupidly so... I don't know I'm really fixating on this aren't I? and I said I'd stop >< Alright Im moving on sorry!
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Post by d'James on May 22, 2016 11:46:47 GMT
No don't stop. You're so right!
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Post by fossil on May 22, 2016 11:48:31 GMT
When applause becomes merely convention it loses its meaning. One should clap when it is deserved and not clap if completely undeserved. If a performer sings a powerful song but does not get the expected applause then they need be professional and examine the cause as to why they did not 'connect' with that audience at that time as the audience may be giving useful feedback. Maybe the song delivery not so good on that occasion. Maybe it was not the singer's fault and the sound system was poor or the balance all wrong - could the audience actually hear the singer properly? And so on.
Speaking of convention, I went to a Willard White concert at the Inner Temple. It was a posh do and it seems that at these one does not applaud each number - after each song there was just silence.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 22, 2016 11:56:59 GMT
Thanks James And fossil- YES YES YES,agreed! you worded it so much better than I ever could.
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Post by d'James on May 22, 2016 12:03:29 GMT
Exactly fossil. It's like standing ovations, they happen more and more and mean less and less.
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Post by fossil on May 22, 2016 12:18:25 GMT
Personally I have stopped joining in with standing ovations. On the last occasion I found I was applauding the backs of the people in front of me. But then I am only 5'2".
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Post by d'James on May 22, 2016 12:32:48 GMT
You're stronger than me. I end up standing just so I can see.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 12:40:24 GMT
You're stronger than me. I end up standing just so I can see. I'm usually heading for the door. PEOPLE HAVE BUSES TO CATCH YOU KNOW!
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Post by Hamilton Addict on May 22, 2016 13:04:29 GMT
Alright, alright. Just going to clear things up before I get slaughtered anymore about what I said. I wasn't talking about one person not clapping. My interpretation was around half the theatre not clapping. If your sing a really powerful song (e.g. Everything's coming up roses or And I'm telling you) and put your whole effort into it but then only half the theater claps... Your gonna feel just a tad disappointed aren't you? I always clap but I don't stand up at the curtain call if I didn't like the show (Bend it like Beckham). I'm not saying you have to clap, but it's nice if you did if it was a good performance George, no one is slaughtering you. You posted your thoughts and we posted our's back, calm down.
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Post by DuchessConstance on May 22, 2016 14:01:07 GMT
I'm been a W/E performer and I genuinely don't care if everyone claps. I'm not even aware of that until the final curtain call. What does bother me is people not paying attention. You can absolutely feel as a performer when the audience is not with you. An audience that watches quietly but isn't demonstrative is worth far more than an audience who aren't really paying attention but clap loudly at the end of every song.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 14:25:09 GMT
Could someone kindly correct the typo in the title. I'm currently having an episode *shakes one hand uncontrollably up and down torso*
EDIT: Ta Muchly
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Post by kathryn on May 22, 2016 15:37:44 GMT
If your sing a really powerful song (e.g. Everything's coming up roses or And I'm telling you) and put your whole effort into it but then only half the theater claps... Your gonna feel just a tad disappointed aren't you? Not as disappointed as the punter who paid 70 quid to see you and didn't think you were worth it. Oh it's generally a lot more than that on Broadway.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 15:38:01 GMT
Ooh she's taken it down...
Carrie among the first to reply I see...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 15:41:39 GMT
And now we're all supposed to feel bad for misunderstanding her.
This woman is good.
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Post by kathryn on May 22, 2016 15:42:47 GMT
I'm been a W/E performer and I genuinely don't care if everyone claps. I'm not even aware of that until the final curtain call. What does bother me is people not paying attention. You can absolutely feel as a performer when the audience is not with you. An audience that watches quietly but isn't demonstrative is worth far more than an audience who aren't really paying attention but clap loudly at the end of every song. I've noticed that with Broadway audiences. They're so busy waiting for their cue to applaud a diva doing an 11 o'clock number that they don't seem to notice when an actress is deliberately not giving that sort of performance and is trying to produce a different kind of effect.
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Post by theatremadness on May 22, 2016 15:44:51 GMT
Ooh she's taken it down... Carrie among the first to reply I see... Hm. As I said before, when something back fires, it's so easy to say "Oh, it was a joke. Shame none of you got it". And you can tell from her hashtags and the end (even though that's her usual sense of humour, I suppose), that she really just doesn't care.
I know my comments make it seem like I'm making it so she can't win either way, but I thought the damage had already been done really, with her going out of her way to make such a big hoo-ha out of what is now a "joke" - and I hugely echo BB's sentiments above!!
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Post by eatbigsea on May 23, 2016 10:30:47 GMT
I'm been a W/E performer and I genuinely don't care if everyone claps. I'm not even aware of that until the final curtain call. What does bother me is people not paying attention. You can absolutely feel as a performer when the audience is not with you. An audience that watches quietly but isn't demonstrative is worth far more than an audience who aren't really paying attention but clap loudly at the end of every song. I've noticed that with Broadway audiences. They're so busy waiting for their cue to applaud a diva doing an 11 o'clock number that they don't seem to notice when an actress is deliberately not giving that sort of performance and is trying to produce a different kind of effect. Yes, this, exactly. Also, they have to put more and more effort into getting the stars on stage unobtrusively in order to avoid the entrance applause, which is fine (if annoying) in a musical but doesn't work in, say, Death of a Salesman. I don't care if people clap or not up to a point, but I do feel a bit embarrassed when half the audience rushes off at the end without any appreciation at all. This happens at the Royal Opera House a lot. It makes me feel like I have to be more enthusiastic than I normally would be to make up for them.
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Post by mallardo on May 23, 2016 10:46:12 GMT
Yes, yes, Broadway audiences are so stupid and uncouth and they just don't know how to control themselves in public places, always showing so much dreadful enthusiasm and stuff. And entrance applause? Don't get me started. Standing ovations for everything no matter how lame it might be? It should be criminalized. Frankly, I'm embarrassed for those people every time I'm in a Broadway theatre. I really should stop flying over there and spending a fortune on hotels and tickets just to experience such awfulness. Maybe some day I will.
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Post by Honoured Guest on May 23, 2016 12:25:43 GMT
Yes, yes, Broadway audiences are so stupid and uncouth and they just don't know how to control themselves in public places, always showing so much dreadful enthusiasm and stuff. And entrance applause? Don't get me started. Standing ovations for everything no matter how lame it might be? It should be criminalized. Frankly, I'm embarrassed for those people every time I'm in a Broadway theatre. I really should stop flying over there and spending a fortune on hotels and tickets just to experience such awfulness. Maybe some day I will. Some of us never started.
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Post by 49thand8th on May 23, 2016 18:13:40 GMT
Yes, yes, Broadway audiences are so stupid and uncouth and they just don't know how to control themselves in public places, always showing so much dreadful enthusiasm and stuff. And entrance applause? Don't get me started. Standing ovations for everything no matter how lame it might be? It should be criminalized. Frankly, I'm embarrassed for those people every time I'm in a Broadway theatre. I really should stop flying over there and spending a fortune on hotels and tickets just to experience such awfulness. Maybe some day I will. First I thought this was a parody post, and then... Although to be fair, this does happen a lot. But I was at Fun Home yesterday (for the fourth time) and yes, you will find pockets of consistently quieter, respectful audiences who can reign it in. Even on the big ol' Broad Way. Or maybe you should just restrict yourself to off-Broadway and Fringe shows?
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Post by mallardo on May 23, 2016 19:17:49 GMT
Stick with your first thought.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 23, 2016 19:27:57 GMT
So it was parody? I couldn't tell either
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Post by kathryn on May 23, 2016 19:28:06 GMT
Hey, sometimes it can really add to the show when an audience is noisy - The Colour Purple worked brilliantly with audience reactions punctuating the show. There are times when it is definitely counter-productive, though.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 7:18:19 GMT
Clearly Mallardo and I were having the same problem-severe Monday sarcasm!
In all seriousness I bitch and moan about Broadway audiences equally with how much I bitch and moan about West End ones. I love both, but for Brits there is a difference in how audiences react, and that's fine as long as we all remember we don't have to go along with the majority.
Unless you're in the front row of a Laura Benanti show.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 24, 2016 7:40:42 GMT
Clearly Mallardo and I were having the same problem-severe Monday sarcasm! In all seriousness I bitch and moan about Broadway audiences equally with how much I bitch and moan about West End ones. I love both, but for Brits there is a difference in how audiences react, and that's fine as long as we all remember we don't have to go along with the majority. Unless you're in the front row of a Laura Benanti show. You do you, emi
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Post by horton on May 24, 2016 8:33:51 GMT
I was not impressed with the original "clapgate" post but I think Laura's message about taking down the message was sincere, considered and classy. So much more appropriate than the whole Patti Murrin debacle!
On the unwelcoming Broadwayworld forum, there is an on-going thread about why they hate tourists- it's got about 50 pages worth of complaints. It strikes me as being the most xenophobic and patronising demonstration of complacent racism on the whole site, and completely manages to overlook the fact that bad behaviour, poor manners and selfishness can come from anywhere. I really dislike sweeping generalities about "American audiences" or "British audiences". Those audiences are full of individuals, some of whom are thoughtful, some brash, some over-demonstrative, some generous etc etc.
My morning hippy moment: (Sherie Renee Scott in 'Bright Lights, Big City)
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 8:35:34 GMT
A-plus use of Bright Lights big city horton, it's been an age since I listened to that show. (ah memories of my Patrick Wilson obsession)
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Post by mallardo on May 24, 2016 8:35:37 GMT
Clearly Mallardo and I were having the same problem-severe Monday sarcasm! In all seriousness I bitch and moan about Broadway audiences equally with how much I bitch and moan about West End ones. I love both, but for Brits there is a difference in how audiences react, and that's fine as long as we all remember we don't have to go along with the majority. Unless you're in the front row of a Laura Benanti show.
Indeed. I didn't realize SMS was so contagious.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 8:37:14 GMT
Its an insidious and vile disease...
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