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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 13:36:52 GMT
Sexual misconduct is very serious. In my opinion should be done in private with the police.
Secondly the headline of 20 women is shocking, but reading the article half way down someone alleges he slapped her on the bottom.
I’m not saying this is acceptable but it shouldn’t be lumped in with the recording people nude without consent.
This things come out on Twitter and then it descends into a ‘I met him once and he looked at me the disgusting creep , I’ll never get over the trauma’.
A gay comedian young in Ireland was found not guilty of putting his hand down someone’s trousers and a few instances similar. The Twitter folk despite him being found not guilty don’t think he should be allowed to perform again and no tv station will book him because of potential Twitter storms. Under 30 found not guilty and performing life over.
I don’t know maybe I’m old and just think these things are better dealt with by police than Twitter and while I understand not guilty doesn’t mean it did not happen, what do people want?
Do they want people to be locked in their homes for ever, even if not guilty? An allegation is enough for some and no matter if it ever moves forward or the person is found not guilty it isn’t enough, the person has to be removed from life.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 13:42:42 GMT
Secondly the headline of 20 women is shocking, but reading the article half way down someone alleges he slapped her on the bottom. I’m not saying this is acceptable but it shouldn’t be lumped in with the recording people nude without consent. Nope. They are both sexual harassment and should both be treated as equally abhorrent crimes. It's this kind of normalisation that leads to these things being unreported for so long. |
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Post by Jan on Apr 30, 2021 14:19:06 GMT
What is much harder to fathom is why BAFTA didn't act before handing over the award. They knew about the allegations. And appear to have done nothing. Not hard to fathom at all. They didn’t want to act on the basis of accusations and be accused of being racist. Which is exactly what’s happening now. |
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 14:20:54 GMT
What is much harder to fathom is why BAFTA didn't act before handing over the award. They knew about the allegations. And appear to have done nothing. Not hard to fathom at all. They didn’t want to act on the basis of accusations and be accused of being racist. Which is exactly what’s happening now. What would accusations of sexual misconduct have to do with being racist? Isn't it more racist to ignore the allegations because he's black? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 14:24:34 GMT
Secondly the headline of 20 women is shocking, but reading the article half way down someone alleges he slapped her on the bottom. I’m not saying this is acceptable but it shouldn’t be lumped in with the recording people nude without consent. Nope. They are both sexual harassment and should both be treated as equally abhorrent crimes. It's this kind of normalisation that leads to these things being unreported for so long. It’s not normalisation it’s my lived experience I’ve been smacked on the arse by fellow gay men and some straight men my whole adult life. I don’t think it’s sexual assault and if people feel it is I hope they can recover from it and get the help and support they feel they need for it. Also recording someone nude without consent is not sexual harassment it’s assault. And if there was a report button I’d report you for having the gall to imply I’m an apologist for sexual assault. |
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Post by Jan on Apr 30, 2021 14:24:40 GMT
Not hard to fathom at all. They didn’t want to act on the basis of accusations and be accused of being racist. Which is exactly what’s happening now. What would accusations of sexual misconduct have to do with being racist? Isn't it more racist to ignore the allegations because he's black? I’m not giving my opinion, I’m merely noting what some of his supporters in the profession are already saying. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 30, 2021 14:29:33 GMT
Being slapped on the bottom without consent is sexual harassment.
Sexual harassment is always serious.
I don’t why some people think that slapping someone - anywhere - is no big deal. Let alone slapping their sensitive sexual areas! Bottoms are erogenous zones for a great many people.
It’s not ok! It can be very distressing and humiliating.
Edit: FFS, it apparently needs spelling out: whether or not you personally find being slapped on the bum upsetting no doubt depends on how sensitive that part of your body is. Regardless, it is known to be a sexual area and our basic societal standard of behaviour is that you don’t touch other people’s sexual areas without consent, and you shouldn’t be touching anyone sexually in a professional setting.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 30, 2021 14:31:40 GMT
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Post by n1david on Apr 30, 2021 14:35:11 GMT
Frustrating for those who want to know how the story ends. It's being made available on-demand "briefly" on the ITV Hub for anyone who's invested 4 hours and wants to find out the ending. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 14:48:52 GMT
Being slapped on the bottom without consent is sexual harassment. Sexual harassment is always serious. I don’t why some people think that slapping someone - anywhere - is no big deal. Let alone slapping their sensitive sexual areas! Bottoms are erogenous zones for a great many people. It’s not ok! It can be very distressing and humiliating. Edit: FFS, it apparently needs spelling out: whether or not you personally find being slapped on the bum upsetting no doubt depends on how sensitive that part of your body is. Regardless, it is known to be a sexual area and our basic societal standard of behaviour is that you don’t touch other people’s sexual areas without consent, and you shouldn’t be touching anyone sexually in a professional setting. And it needs to be pointed out that the cheeks of your backside are different to other parts of your backside. People have differently sensitivities. It doesn’t make mine less valid. If you’re affronted by someone smacking your backside then that is your right but I don’t have to and I don’t have to believe it’s the same as rape. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 30, 2021 14:53:03 GMT
No-one said it is the same as rape.
Rape is not the only bad thing that can happen!
Unwanted sexual contact is distressing, it’s often more humiliating in a work setting to be subjected to it by someone who has power over you because you can’t do anything about it without threatening your job.
This is basic stuff.
Just because you don’t find it upsetting doesn’t mean that it’s not unacceptable, or not serious.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 14:58:28 GMT
No-one said it is the same as rape. Rape is not the only bad thing that can happen! Unwanted sexual contact is distressing, it’s often more humiliating in a work setting to be subjected to it by someone who has power over you because you can’t do anything about it without threatening your job. This is basic stuff. They are saying it’s the same as recording someone naked without consent. It’s not. And I think you’ve hit the nail on the head regarding bottom smacking so to speak I think it’s the humiliation thing is the issue for many women. They feel undermined rather than it being sexual. It shouldn’t happen in a work place of course but let’s not conflate issues. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 30, 2021 15:00:46 GMT
The whole article is a litany of unacceptable behaviour. There’s no reason to compare the levels of unacceptability.
It’s. All. Bad.
It’s. All. Wrong.
Why are you trying to defend any of it?!
Edit: bottoms, not sexual? What a laugh. You’ll be telling us that boobs aren’t sexual next, because they don’t do anything for you.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 15:02:51 GMT
No-one said it is the same as rape. Rape is not the only bad thing that can happen! Unwanted sexual contact is distressing, it’s often more humiliating in a work setting to be subjected to it by someone who has power over you because you can’t do anything about it without threatening your job. This is basic stuff. They are saying it’s the same as recording someone naked without consent. It’s not. And I think you’ve hit the nail on the head regarding bottom smacking so to speak I think it’s the humiliation thing is the issue for many women. They feel undermined rather than it being sexual. It shouldn’t happen in a work place of course but let’s not conflate issues. Unwanted physical contact, which includes bottom slapping, is a crime. Recording someone without their consent is a crime. It's really that simple. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 15:07:56 GMT
I know what crimes are thanks.
Talking a sweet out of a picknmix is a crime.
Talking a dog is a crime.
Are they both crimes yes, the same? No.
People are confused but in the law it has to be proven it’s sexual in nature.
Under section 78 SOA 2003 touching or any other activity is “sexual” if a reasonable person would think that:
the act is sexual by its nature; or
the act may be sexual and because of the circumstances in which it occurred or the purpose the defendant has, or both, it is sexual.
Sexual intercourse is an act that is sexual by its very nature. However, if the touching is not sexual by its nature, for example, touching a part of someone’s body through clothes, whether it is considered to be sexual or not will depend on:
the circumstances of the touching (for example, where the touching occurred, what was touched and with what);
and / or
the defendant’s purpose
If it was a clear cut crime it would be dealt with through the police but it’s not so the court of Twitter get to decide.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 30, 2021 15:08:53 GMT
I hope someone is reporting this officially to the Police. We need to see high profile arrests and prosecutions to show that this is not only unacceptable, it is also criminal
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 15:18:10 GMT
The whole article is a litany of unacceptable behaviour. There’s no reason to compare the levels of unacceptability. It’s. All. Bad. It’s. All. Wrong. Why are you trying to defend any of it?! Edit: bottoms, not sexual? What a laugh. You’ll be telling us that boobs aren’t sexual next, because they don’t do anything for you. I didn’t say bottoms aren’t sexual don’t put words into my mouth without consent. I said there’s a difference between the cheek of the backside and the other parts. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 30, 2021 15:26:58 GMT
Yes, bum cheeks are sexual. This is why thongs exist, and why spanking can be sex-play.
And clearly, if they weren’t, a creep like Noel Clarke wouldn’t want to touch or slap them, he wouldn’t have been deliberately filming an actresses’ bottom is a sex scene for his own amusement, and men filming women’s bottoms going up stairs and escalators wouldn’t be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 15:32:35 GMT
Yes, bum cheeks are sexual. This is why thongs exist, and why spanking can be sex-play. And clearly, if they weren’t, a creep like Noel Clarke wouldn’t want to touch or slap them. People are aroused by touching so anywhere they’ll be aroused so the law is clear the intent has to be sexual in nature. Anyway it’s clear he recorded a woman naked without consent I hope she goes through with reporting to police and he’s convicted. I hope the women traumatised can recover. To respond to your edit: No one is condoning the recording of naked people or up-skirt recording. Conflating the touch of a hand against a clothed bottom cheek is not the same in law. |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 30, 2021 16:08:21 GMT
Being slapped on the bottom without consent is sexual harassment. Sexual harassment is always serious. I don’t why some people think that slapping someone - anywhere - is no big deal. Let alone slapping their sensitive sexual areas! Bottoms are erogenous zones for a great many people. It’s not ok! It can be very distressing and humiliating. Edit: FFS, it apparently needs spelling out: whether or not you personally find being slapped on the bum upsetting no doubt depends on how sensitive that part of your body is. Regardless, it is known to be a sexual area and our basic societal standard of behaviour is that you don’t touch other people’s sexual areas without consent, and you shouldn’t be touching anyone sexually in a professional setting. Thank you. 👏 I do not consent to anyone touching my body, thank you. I have autonomy over my body. No one has the right to touch it. Bringing in the scenario of a professional environment (film / TV set) ... it’s damn right unacceptable. Are we *seriously* going to try and like play this down?? Are we going to go there? Jesus Christ. |
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 16:35:17 GMT
Statement from Alexandra Roach, co-star of Viewpoint:
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 30, 2021 16:37:52 GMT
Statement from Alexandra Roach, co-star of Viewpoint: Speaks volumes. It’s a shame as a great cast but 💯 the right decision. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 16:44:51 GMT
I know what crimes are thanks. Talking a sweet out of a picknmix is a crime. Talking a dog is a crime. Are they both crimes yes, the same? No. People are confused but in the law it has to be proven it’s sexual in nature. Under section 78 SOA 2003 touching or any other activity is “sexual” if a reasonable person would think that: the act is sexual by its nature; or the act may be sexual and because of the circumstances in which it occurred or the purpose the defendant has, or both, it is sexual. Sexual intercourse is an act that is sexual by its very nature. However, if the touching is not sexual by its nature, for example, touching a part of someone’s body through clothes, whether it is considered to be sexual or not will depend on: the circumstances of the touching (for example, where the touching occurred, what was touched and with what); and / or the defendant’s purpose If it was a clear cut crime it would be dealt with through the police but it’s not so the court of Twitter get to decide. Good grief does it really have to be said - just because something isn't technically a crime (or a crime of a sexual nature) doesn't mean it is right or has to be tolerated! You are asking for your opinions to be respected but in the same breath entirely dismissing people who might be more sensitive than you. Just because you might tolerate something or not see it as offensive doesn't mean everyone else has to as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 16:50:40 GMT
I know what crimes are thanks. Talking a sweet out of a picknmix is a crime. Talking a dog is a crime. Are they both crimes yes, the same? No. People are confused but in the law it has to be proven it’s sexual in nature. Under section 78 SOA 2003 touching or any other activity is “sexual” if a reasonable person would think that: the act is sexual by its nature; or the act may be sexual and because of the circumstances in which it occurred or the purpose the defendant has, or both, it is sexual. Sexual intercourse is an act that is sexual by its very nature. However, if the touching is not sexual by its nature, for example, touching a part of someone’s body through clothes, whether it is considered to be sexual or not will depend on: the circumstances of the touching (for example, where the touching occurred, what was touched and with what); and / or the defendant’s purpose If it was a clear cut crime it would be dealt with through the police but it’s not so the court of Twitter get to decide. Good grief does it really have to be said - just because something isn't technically a crime (or a crime of a sexual nature) doesn't mean it is right or has to be tolerated! You are asking for your opinions to be respected but in the same breath entirely dismissing people who might be more sensitive than you. Just because you might tolerate something or not see it as offensive doesn't mean everyone else has to as well. I got called a sexual assault apologist because I said of the 20 women it ranged from a slap on the arse to recording someone naked without consent. They are different. |
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