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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 18:19:33 GMT
How many people will donate to a rape crisis centre today?
There’ll be more tweets about this than donations.
Then it’ll move onto the next outrage leaving the victims with no support and the alleged accused with no career because this won’t even make it to court.
Convince me that is right in anyway.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 18:23:07 GMT
How many people will donate to a rape crisis centre today? There’ll be more tweets about this than donations. Then it’ll move onto the next outrage leaving the victims with no support and the alleged accused with no career because this won’t even make it to court. Convince me that is right in anyway. No career means he can't hurt other women in the industry, seems like a good outcome to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 18:24:00 GMT
Well it's a well researched guardian article here. You obviously have a bug bear over metoo but saying 'just go to the police' is an issue for several reasons You know nothing about me but cast aspersions and line me up with predators in the me too movement. I was left walking a street with no money with no shirt after being sexually assaulted with an object. I went to the police, I had the rape kit, the hours of statements. Frankly, I don’t want someone who got whispered crude remarks or had their arse smacked lumped in with me. Everyone is a victim today and it does real harm to actual victims.
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Post by The Matthew on Apr 30, 2021 18:24:49 GMT
Let the police handle sexual crimes not the media social or print. It's possible for someone to make work a toxic nightmare without committing a crime.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is an important principle, but at the same time people shouldn't have to tolerate abuse for fear of losing their jobs or being considered "difficult to work with" for making a fuss until it gets to the point someone in a position of power goes so far they actually end up being convicted in court. Sometimes everyone coming together to say "We're not going to put up with you any more" is just what's needed.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 18:27:04 GMT
Well it's a well researched guardian article here. You obviously have a bug bear over metoo but saying 'just go to the police' is an issue for several reasons You know nothing about me but cast aspersions and line me up with predators in the me too movement. I was left walking a street with no money with no shirt after being sexually assaulted with an object. I went to the police, I had the rape kit, the hours of statements. Frankly, I don’t want someone who got whispered crude remarks or had their arse smacked lumped in with me. Everyone is a victim today and it does real harm to actual victims. Trauma is not a competition. You don't get to undermine other women's experience of abuse because it doesn't conform to your idea of what abuse is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 18:30:59 GMT
You know nothing about me but cast aspersions and line me up with predators in the me too movement. I was left walking a street with no money with no shirt after being sexually assaulted with an object. I went to the police, I had the rape kit, the hours of statements. Frankly, I don’t want someone who got whispered crude remarks or had their arse smacked lumped in with me. Everyone is a victim today and it does real harm to actual victims. Trauma is not a competition. You don't get to undermine other women's experience of abuse because it doesn't conform to your idea of what abuse is. I get to say what I like it’s called an opinion. And it does harm to victims because being a victim is now reduced to being called a name or told I want to sleep with you. It’s the same as all the people crying about their mental health cause they can’t get a haircut in the lockdown. Where are those people when schizophrenics or bi-polar people are locked up and have to sleep on floors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 18:34:54 GMT
I don’t think there is anything to applaud in staying quiet and allowing others to become victims of someone so you can keep your career.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 18:40:13 GMT
So far on this thread I’ve been called:
A sexual assault apologist Aligned with the predators of the MeToo movement And exploiting my own sexual assault Plus oppressing women who allege assault Also called mentally ill. Nice going.
Have a nice weekend all.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 30, 2021 18:53:09 GMT
‘It’s not as bad as what happened to me so I don’t think they should be able to complain or have the perpetrator face consequences’ is just not a winning argument here.
I think you probably do need a bit more mental health support to deal with what happened to you. Because it’s frankly making you behave in a really odd and unpleasant way that’s not making you any friends here. Not all coping mechanisms are healthy.
Hope you get all the help you need. Sincerely.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 18:57:37 GMT
‘It’s not as bad as what happened to me so I don’t think they should be able to complain or have the perpetrator face consequences’ is just not a winning argument here. I think you probably do need a bit more mental health support to deal with what happened to you. Because it’s frankly making you behave in a really odd and unpleasant way that’s not making you any friends here. Not all coping mechanisms are healthy. Hope you get all the help you need. Sincerely. That’s a horrible response. I reported to the police saved future victims and moved on with my life. Just like issues with race and sexuality I wish people privileged enough not to have experienced sexual assault would stay out of it and let people define what racism is, homophobia is and what sexual assault is. Instead using their privilege to oppress the voices of us that are gay or have been sexually assaulted or are POC.
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Post by The Matthew on Apr 30, 2021 19:07:03 GMT
I think it's time for people to take a break and calm down. This is a serious subject and warrants more consideration than posting every few minutes permits.
Or to put it another way: Don't post angry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 19:09:06 GMT
Thanks for shutting down the thread when I reported the posts.
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Post by The Matthew on Apr 30, 2021 19:13:40 GMT
Thanks for shutting down the thread when I reported the posts. I haven't shut down the thread. I'm saying that anything anyone has to say can be said better with careful thought than with a frantic "must attack" post. That goes for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 19:16:19 GMT
Thanks for shutting down the thread when I reported the posts. I haven't shut down the thread. I'm saying that anything anyone has to say can be said better with careful thought than with a frantic "must attack" post. That goes for everyone.
I posted in Feedback to have my account deleted, too much abuse and calling people mentally ill or a rape apologist isn’t something I accept. I don’t want to be associated with that or site that tolerates It.
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Post by zahidf on Apr 30, 2021 20:23:07 GMT
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 30, 2021 21:19:00 GMT
I haven't shut down the thread. I'm saying that anything anyone has to say can be said better with careful thought than with a frantic "must attack" post. That goes for everyone.
I posted in Feedback to have my account deleted, too much abuse and calling people mentally ill or a rape apologist isn’t something I accept. I don’t want to be associated with that or site that tolerates It. shirleydevore probably can’t see this but if they can: if you can’t handle the heat, step out of the kitchen. You wrote those posts. No one else did. Don’t have this ‘woe is me’ attitude when you belittled those women coming forward and having the courage to speak their truth. Twenty women. So incredibly brave. On another note, I’m sad to hear of your trauma, I am a sexual assault survivor too, but it’s not about trying to outdo and compare. Be an ally. If you have been through this, you should be more understanding - that’s what I do not understand, it’s bizarre to be quite frank and shameful. We tried to explain what was inherently wrong with your posts but you were not accepting. Good luck!
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Post by zahidf on May 1, 2021 8:20:25 GMT
Holy crap
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 1, 2021 8:36:37 GMT
The man needs more than professional help. He needs to be before the courts.
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Post by zahidf on May 1, 2021 9:03:37 GMT
The man needs more than professional help. He needs to be before the courts. I'm amazed the school swept it under the carpet like that. They need to explain themselves a lot more as well
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 1, 2021 9:10:39 GMT
I can understand why they took the actions they did.
They wanted to preserve their relationship with a high profile industry professional. I can imagine they thought that he wasn't a trained educator and didn't appreciate the different boundaries that have to exist between teacher and student. They took steps to make sure he was never left alone with students again.
With hindsight, that now looks an inadequate response. But at the time, it probably felt to them that it was proportionate based on the information they had. And they were dealing with a powerful individual who could help their students in the industry.
Yes, they should have asked more questions to find out more about his activities with students. But even a few years ago, the atmosphere was different to how it is today.
This sort of behaviour should never have been tolerated. We all get that now. But it has taken time to get there.
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Post by zahidf on May 1, 2021 9:14:25 GMT
I can understand why they took the actions they did. They wanted to preserve their relationship with a high profile industry professional. I can imagine they thought that he wasn't a trained educator and didn't appreciate the different boundaries that have to exist between teacher and student. They took steps to make sure he was never left alone with students again. With hindsight, that now looks an inadequate response. But at the time, it probably felt to them that it was proportionate based on the information they had. And they were dealing with a powerful individual who could help their students in the industry. Yes, they should have asked more questions to find out more about his activities with students. But even a few years ago, the atmosphere was different to how it is today. This sort of behaviour should never have been tolerated. We all get that now. But it has taken time to get there. It's reminiscent of what James Franco got up to in America as well actually. I wonder how many figures are guilty of doing this... (high I imagine)
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Post by talkingheads on May 1, 2021 10:16:54 GMT
It's so discombobulating to see someone I respected and admired so much be outed as such a vile human being. In fact I count a few of his films amongst my favourites, now I'm not so sure.
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Post by kathryn on May 1, 2021 10:30:20 GMT
The boundaries with acting can be so fuzzy - how many other professional industries are there where people genuinely do need to feel comfortable getting physically intimate with each other, and being naked in front of potentially a whole room of people? - that it’s too easy for people with ulterior motives to exploit the ambiguities.
The industry really needs to set down strict codes of practice. You wouldn’t think that things like impromptu ‘acting exercises’ involving undressing and ‘naked auditions’ needed to be explicitly banned, but quite obviously they do.
Part of the problem here, I think, is the general attitude of ‘well I went through the same and it never hurt me! Stop playing the victim!’. Yes, yes it did hurt you - you just don’t realise that the coping mechanism you developed was denial, normalising and minimising the behaviour, and getting angry at anyone who complains about it happening to them.
That’s an editorial ‘you’ there, for avoidance of doubt.
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Post by talkingheads on May 1, 2021 10:44:53 GMT
The stories going around Twitter. This one really made me feel sick.
I've always loathed Russell Brand, and thank God Billy Connolly calls this stuff out.
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Post by crowblack on May 1, 2021 10:52:04 GMT
He actually retweeted a female student's tweet at the time! '@noelclarke wanted us to show some flesh as a real test of our commitment!!! @lsda_acting we do all sorts of randoms'
May 2012, and '@' to the drama school. That coercive 'commitment' line again, used so often in that industry when praising young actors performing naked.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 1, 2021 11:46:18 GMT
The boundaries with acting can be so fuzzy - how many other professional industries are there where people genuinely do need to feel comfortable getting physically intimate with each other, and being naked in front of potentially a whole room of people? - that it’s too easy for people with ulterior motives to exploit the ambiguities. The industry really needs to set down strict codes of practice. You wouldn’t think that things like impromptu ‘acting exercises’ involving undressing and ‘naked auditions’ needed to be explicitly banned, but quite obviously they do. Part of the problem here, I think, is the general attitude of ‘well I went through the same and it never hurt me! Stop playing the victim!’. Yes, yes it did hurt you - you just don’t realise that the coping mechanism you developed was denial, normalising and minimising the behaviour, and getting angry at anyone who complains about it happening to them. That’s an editorial ‘you’ there, for avoidance of doubt. Intimacy is a massive issue. Which is why I am glad intimacy directors are now a thing - the cast of Bridgerton praised Lizzy Talbot on her work and making them feel safe. www.lizzytalbot.com/ (great resource) and there are other linked resources she has including podcasts. In general - If you don't say 'YES' - you're seen as a failure. I witnessed this whilst training - not intimacy but more emotional memory with an acting teacher who was on a massive ego trip. Did I say anything? NO. Because I thought, 'well he knows best.' I was more impressionable. I thought, 'this is normal.' NEWSFLASH. IT ISN'T. You should not have to be 'BROKEN DOWN' to gain results. It's abuse. I should not have to relive my past trauma and dig deep for acting. It's BS, harmful and detrimental to mental health. This isn't just about Noel Clarke, this is about the industry in general - a lot of stuff is ignored. TIME IS UP.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 1, 2021 11:49:16 GMT
They are liars. They still invited him in for a talk in 2016.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 1, 2021 11:56:45 GMT
I don't get how they didn't know.
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Post by stagebyte on May 1, 2021 14:42:58 GMT
The stories going around Twitter. This one really made me feel sick. I've always loathed Russell Brand, and thank God Billy Connolly calls this stuff out. Just reading that piece made my skin crawl. I know the Sun isn’t exactly known for its serious reportage but the language they use is clearly telling their readership it’s all harmless fun. ‘Sex mad comic’ ‘Film lothario Russell’ ‘Saucy demand’ ‘Cheeky demand’ ‘Caused chaos’ ‘A charming scoundrel’ ‘Just a bit of fun’ ‘She gave in’ Charming Scoundrel? - grade A sex pest As for ‘sex addiction rehab’ is this something ‘celebs’ like him a d Michael Douglas go to to avoid prosecution? Sounds like over inflated egos with power issue problems to me dressed up as ‘sex addiction’
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Post by stagebyte on May 1, 2021 14:46:02 GMT
The stories going around Twitter. This one really made me feel sick. I've always loathed Russell Brand, and thank God Billy Connolly calls this stuff out. Just reading that piece made my skin crawl. I know the Sun isn’t exactly known for its serious reportage but the language they use is clearly telling their readership it’s all harmless fun. ‘Randy Russell’ ‘Sex mad comic’ ‘Film lothario Russell’ ‘Saucy demand’ ‘Cheeky demand’ ‘Caused chaos’ ‘A charming scoundrel’ ‘Just a bit of fun’ ‘She gave in’ Charming Scoundrel - grade A sex pest And what must the atmosphere have been like generally on the set for the woman to think she had to give in for the sake of the production - they to me were as culpable As for ‘sex addiction rehab’ is this something ‘celebs’ like him a d Michael Douglas go to to avoid prosecution? Sounds like over inflated egos with power issue problems to me dressed up as ‘sex addiction’ Also whoever was in charge of that set and the toxic atmosphere of Brand being allowed to ‘get away with murder’ they’re ALL equally culpable for making her feel like she had to ‘give in’ And PLEASE she’s not a wardrobe GIRL. JOB TITLE or at the very least let’s agree she’s a woman?
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