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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 28, 2021 14:26:47 GMT
The one thing the trailer fails to make clear is that it is a musical where the characters actually sing...
Yes, many people will know it is a musical. But the same was also true of Sweeney Todd where they avoided showing any singing in the trailer.
In the Heights doesn't shy away from showing singing in their promotional videos.
Does Spielberg really think people will be put off by singing?
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Post by marob on Apr 28, 2021 14:46:51 GMT
The one thing the trailer fails to make clear is that it is a musical where the characters actually sing... Yes, many people will know it is a musical. But the same was also true of Sweeney Todd where they avoided showing any singing in the trailer. In the Heights doesn't shy away from showing singing in their promotional videos. Does Spielberg really think people will be put off by singing? That’s only the “official teaser” though. There’ll be a proper longer trailer or two to follow over the next 6 months. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 15:57:57 GMT
Does Spielberg really think people will be put off by singing? I don't think it's anything of the sort. In fact, I think having Rita Moreno sing over it is very clever as it gives a link between old and new. I doubt anyone watching that trailer will be unaware WSS is a musical. In the Heights is a full trailer as that film is out much sooner. I wouldn't be too surprised if a full WSS trailer is released to be shown before screenings of In the Heights though. |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 15, 2021 13:48:49 GMT
New long trailer out:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:57:58 GMT
Argh. I had high hopes for this. But it doesn't look good. Where's the grit? Where's the darkness? Same thing happened with In the Heights. All too bright and colourful. I liked Jon M Chu's Crazy Rich Asians, but In the Heights was bad. And I like Spielberg, but this also looks bad. I thought Spielberg would bring the grit. But that doesn't seem to be the case so far. I so hope Jon M Chu doesn't screw up Wicked.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 15, 2021 15:41:23 GMT
What is it with recent musical trailers. They never actually play any music almost as if trying to hide the fact it's a musical.
It seems to happen all the time.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 15, 2021 16:01:47 GMT
There seems to be more talking than I would expect in this version. Hope we don't lose too much music as a result.
I do like the shadows in the overhead shot of the gangs facing off
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Post by mrbarnaby on Sept 15, 2021 16:42:43 GMT
I think it still looks great. I wouldn’t judge a whole movie by a 2 minute trailer.
They’ve certainly John Williams’d up the score there!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 1:22:42 GMT
I think it looks stunning, gritty and full of depth - some of those snapshots of scenes are so enticing (the dancing is stunning) and some are just heartbreaking. The few bits of dialogue set it up perfectly, especially the scene with Rita Moreno, and the Broadway stars shine - Mike Faist and Ariana DeBose appear set to steal the show. What is it with recent musical trailers. They never actually play any music almost as if trying to hide the fact it's a musical. It seems to happen all the time. Difficult to cut the songs so there can be excerpts of more than one without it seeming very disjointed. It's also a question of tone - an instrumental can be far more effective in setting the mood and allows you to concentrate more on the visuals, so the overall result is much more impactful. Everyone knows WSS is a musical, they don't need need to advertise that. For me there was just the right amount of Rachel Zegler singing (beautifully). I don't understand the comment that it was all too colourful/no darkness - the trailer I watched very effectively contrasted the colour of the gym and market scenes with the darkness of the gang scenes, and a lot of the outfits were less colourful than the original so the ones that are bright (epic yellow dress for Ariana for one!) have more impact. Very clever. |
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Post by alece10 on Sept 16, 2021 8:59:28 GMT
I think it looks stunning, gritty and full of depth - some of those snapshots of scenes are so enticing (the dancing is stunning) and some are just heartbreaking. The few bits of dialogue set it up perfectly, especially the scene with Rita Moreno, and the Broadway stars shine - Mike Faist and Ariana DeBose appear set to steal the show. What is it with recent musical trailers. They never actually play any music almost as if trying to hide the fact it's a musical. It seems to happen all the time. Difficult to cut the songs so there can be excerpts of more than one without it seeming very disjointed. It's also a question of tone - an instrumental can be far more effective in setting the mood and allows you to concentrate more on the visuals, so the overall result is much more impactful. Everyone knows WSS is a musical, they don't need need to advertise that. For me there was just the right amount of Rachel Zegler singing (beautifully). I don't understand the comment that it was all too colourful/no darkness - the trailer I watched very effectively contrasted the colour of the gym and market scenes with the darkness of the gang scenes, and a lot of the outfits were less colourful than the original so the ones that are bright (epic yellow dress for Ariana for one!) have more impact. Very clever. But does EVERYONE know WSS is a musical? I would question that. I bet if you asked your average teenager/young person they would not know. Don't forget not everyone is a MT fan. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 16, 2021 9:05:02 GMT
I think it looks stunning, gritty and full of depth - some of those snapshots of scenes are so enticing (the dancing is stunning) and some are just heartbreaking. The few bits of dialogue set it up perfectly, especially the scene with Rita Moreno, and the Broadway stars shine - Mike Faist and Ariana DeBose appear set to steal the show. Difficult to cut the songs so there can be excerpts of more than one without it seeming very disjointed. It's also a question of tone - an instrumental can be far more effective in setting the mood and allows you to concentrate more on the visuals, so the overall result is much more impactful. Everyone knows WSS is a musical, they don't need need to advertise that. For me there was just the right amount of Rachel Zegler singing (beautifully). I don't understand the comment that it was all too colourful/no darkness - the trailer I watched very effectively contrasted the colour of the gym and market scenes with the darkness of the gang scenes, and a lot of the outfits were less colourful than the original so the ones that are bright (epic yellow dress for Ariana for one!) have more impact. Very clever. But does EVERYONE know WSS is a musical? I would question that. I bet if you asked your average teenager/young person they would not know. Don't forget not everyone is a MT fan. How an earth can people exist without musical theatre? #heathens |
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Post by karloscar on Sept 16, 2021 9:27:51 GMT
Sondheim has seen the final cut and loves how Tony Kushner and Spielberg have changed how the songs are used to give it a more modern feel. "It sparkles." So, not a frame by frame copy at all it seems. And Steve's not easily pleased so this makes me hopeful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 9:53:39 GMT
But does EVERYONE know WSS is a musical? I would question that. I bet if you asked your average teenager/young person they would not know. Don't forget not everyone is a MT fan. I would think everyone who is likely to see this musical already knows. And there is a character singing at the start of the trailer, that to me is a very obvious signpost that this is a musical. It doesn't have to have every second sung to show that (indeed, it isn't sung through anyway). |
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Post by olliebean on Sept 16, 2021 15:10:16 GMT
Yes, I've seen some trailers for other films in the past that clearly have been cut to hide that it's a musical (not to mention many that have been cut to hide that it's a foreign-language film), but that's clearly not the case here.
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Post by anthony40 on Nov 19, 2021 10:00:46 GMT
More behind the scenes footage
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Post by danb on Nov 19, 2021 10:31:05 GMT
That’s more like it! NOW I’m excited. I really hope that none of the Ansel Elgort stuff derails it. It is getting tiresome that the historical actions of an individual end up ruining a films chances of success. You can still be a great actor in a great movie but be a flawed/crappy human being. It is HIS future that should be affected by his actions, not his previous work.
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Post by dgjbear on Nov 30, 2021 5:56:30 GMT
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Post by stuartmcd on Nov 30, 2021 8:22:59 GMT
That’s more like it! NOW I’m excited. I really hope that none of the Ansel Elgort stuff derails it. It is getting tiresome that the historical actions of an individual end up ruining a films chances of success. You can still be a great actor in a great movie but be a flawed/crappy human being. It is HIS future that should be affected by his actions, not his previous work. I don’t think it will. The fact he was at the premiere last night shows that the studio feels confident that he can be used to promote the movie without it causing any major drama. |
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Post by stuartmcd on Nov 30, 2021 8:25:05 GMT
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Post by anthony40 on Nov 30, 2021 20:43:30 GMT
Given recent events, I wonder if somewhere in the credits, it is dedicated to Stephen Sondheim?
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Post by marob on Nov 30, 2021 22:32:34 GMT
Looking forward to it, but my heart just sank at the tweet in that article saying about 40% of the dialogue is subtitle-less Spanish.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 22:41:43 GMT
Looking forward to it, but my heart just sank at the tweet in that article saying about 40% of the dialogue is subtitle-less Spanish. What does it matter? It makes it more authentic and everyone knows the story anyway. |
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Post by marob on Nov 30, 2021 23:10:46 GMT
Looking forward to it, but my heart just sank at the tweet in that article saying about 40% of the dialogue is subtitle-less Spanish. What does it matter? It makes it more authentic and everyone knows the story anyway. I’m not bothered about it being in Spanish, but I would always prefer non-English dialogue to be subtitled. Just personal preference. |
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Post by Jon on Nov 30, 2021 23:52:08 GMT
Didn't the 2009 Broadway revival has songs in Spanish?
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Post by frontrowcentre on Dec 1, 2021 1:44:26 GMT
Lin-Manuel Miranda adapted the Puerto Rican characters songs into Spanish. But I believe that eventually they were reverted back to English half way through the run. Happy to be corrected.
It’s weird that they’re not gonna include subtitles in the movie if part of the dialogue is not in English.
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