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Post by theatremiss on Mar 11, 2023 15:06:48 GMT
Interesting times as the Tory figureheads within BBC’s upper management force a freelance Sport presenter off air, for vocalising an opinion they don’t like, and with it the entire production falls apart. This in turn leads to a horde of fee-payers cancelling their licence fee subscriptions. Could the house of cards be falling apart? BBC bowing to the Tory force in this way, pushing guidelines which don’t exist (the current impartiality guidelines exist for news staff, not sport freelancers) to pursue a clear agenda. Other sport freelance staff who work for BBC amongst other broadcasters are allowed to tweet about their anti-trans beliefs, but others aren’t allowed to discuss their issues with immigration. The hypocrisy is rife. Meanwhile the entire exercise of ‘distract them from the real problem’ (the government’s inability to deal humanely with a horrendous situation) puts the entire corporation at risk, during at already perilous period. I think people underestimate the reach, number and power of sport fans, and if this propagates, many more departments will see their budgets hacked at the BBC scrimps to save on a quickly decreasing income as more licence fees are cancelled. Having a family member once work for the BBC for many, many years and in different locations, I can tell you the strongest driving influence at the BBC is that of the Left |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 11, 2023 15:36:00 GMT
Interesting times as the Tory figureheads within BBC’s upper management force a freelance Sport presenter off air, for vocalising an opinion they don’t like, and with it the entire production falls apart. This in turn leads to a horde of fee-payers cancelling their licence fee subscriptions. Could the house of cards be falling apart? BBC bowing to the Tory force in this way, pushing guidelines which don’t exist (the current impartiality guidelines exist for news staff, not sport freelancers) to pursue a clear agenda. Other sport freelance staff who work for BBC amongst other broadcasters are allowed to tweet about their anti-trans beliefs, but others aren’t allowed to discuss their issues with immigration. The hypocrisy is rife. Meanwhile the entire exercise of ‘distract them from the real problem’ (the government’s inability to deal humanely with a horrendous situation) puts the entire corporation at risk, during at already perilous period. I think people underestimate the reach, number and power of sport fans, and if this propagates, many more departments will see their budgets hacked at the BBC scrimps to save on a quickly decreasing income as more licence fees are cancelled. Having a family member once work for the BBC for many, many years and in different locations, I can tell you the strongest driving influence at the BBC is that of the Left Behave |
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Post by cavocado on Mar 11, 2023 16:02:22 GMT
There's been actual peer-reviewed research on this which over the longer term has found that the BBC tends to lean towards the government of the day. That's not to say that BBC employees tend to be right leaning. Those are two different things. Editorial bias is what matters and research (as opposed to someone you know who knew who used to work for the BBC and met a few lefties) shows that the current bias is to the right.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 11, 2023 18:38:58 GMT
There's been actual peer-reviewed research on this which over the longer term has found that the BBC tends to lean towards the government of the day. That's not to say that BBC employees tend to be right leaning. Those are two different things. Editorial bias is what matters and research (as opposed to someone you know who knew who used to work for the BBC and met a few lefties) shows that the current bias is to the right. Last twenty five years at the BBC, news and current affairs haven't been filled with people from the left wing. Andrew Marr the most left wing name BBC have employed in that time? Best you can say he is a centrist he's hardly filling the airways with socialist rhetoric. Can you name more than a few others? You start naming those on the right in the BBC news and current affairs team and the list is a bit longer |
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 11, 2023 19:04:41 GMT
Interesting times as the Tory figureheads within BBC’s upper management force a freelance Sport presenter off air, for vocalising an opinion they don’t like, and with it the entire production falls apart. This in turn leads to a horde of fee-payers cancelling their licence fee subscriptions. Could the house of cards be falling apart? BBC bowing to the Tory force in this way, pushing guidelines which don’t exist (the current impartiality guidelines exist for news staff, not sport freelancers) to pursue a clear agenda. Other sport freelance staff who work for BBC amongst other broadcasters are allowed to tweet about their anti-trans beliefs, but others aren’t allowed to discuss their issues with immigration. The hypocrisy is rife. Meanwhile the entire exercise of ‘distract them from the real problem’ (the government’s inability to deal humanely with a horrendous situation) puts the entire corporation at risk, during at already perilous period. I think people underestimate the reach, number and power of sport fans, and if this propagates, many more departments will see their budgets hacked at the BBC scrimps to save on a quickly decreasing income as more licence fees are cancelled. Having a family member once work for the BBC for many, many years and in different locations, I can tell you the strongest driving influence at the BBC is that of the Left The 'Left' is one of two things, it's either the Jeremy Corbyn-types (old school socialists) or it's the Wokerati who, whether they know it or not, are effectively mono-ID Marxists mimicking Mao's Cultural Revolution.
The BBC is neither of these.
The BBC wants to think it's 'left' but it's the broad centre of middle-class affluent managerial-professional Remainers who want benefits of Conservative government (property inflation! buy-to-let!! NEPOTISM, geographically and economically ring-fenced schools, etc) without the guilt of voting Conservative.
And these people absolutely do know what is best for everyone, usually because they went to uni and even got a degree in English Lit/Media Studies/Computahs.
They also want power, which is why they didn't take over the Lib Dems instead.
If you're wondering what happened to the old Labour voters who are not Corbyn socialists or Woke, they were ignored/abandoned due to being ignorant or bigoted (and the Red Wall fell).
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Post by Latecomer on Mar 11, 2023 20:07:08 GMT
I think James Graham’s play about the England football team is going to be both interesting and very relevant.
I’ve still not quite forgiven the BBC for mixing up “balance” with “giving equal time to experts and lying chancers” during the Brexit debate.
I also think Lineker should be allowed his own opinions….when he tweets I’m in no doubt that they are his personal opinions…..I’m not under the impression it’s the “BBC” view! He’s a football presenter. Same with Alan Sugar or Deborah Meaden.
Also can we talk about poor people and how Britain seems to be broken whatever metric you look at.
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Post by danb on Mar 12, 2023 12:09:15 GMT
Having a family member once work for the BBC for many, many years and in different locations, I can tell you the strongest driving influence at the BBC is that of the Left The 'Left' is one of two things, it's either the Jeremy Corbyn-types (old school socialists) or it's the Wokerati who, whether they know it or not, are effectively mono-ID Marxists mimicking Mao's Cultural Revolution.
The BBC is neither of these.
The BBC wants to think it's 'left' but it's the broad centre of middle-class affluent managerial-professional Remainers who want benefits of Conservative government (property inflation! buy-to-let!! NEPOTISM, geographically and economically ring-fenced schools, etc) without the guilt of voting Conservative.
And these people absolutely do know what is best for everyone, usually because they went to uni and even got a degree in English Lit/Media Studies/Computahs.
They also want power, which is why they didn't take over the Lib Dems instead.
If you're wondering what happened to the old Labour voters who are not Corbyn socialists or Woke, they were ignored/abandoned due to being ignorant or bigoted (and the Red Wall fell).
Oh you are good! Nicely summarised. 👍 |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 12, 2023 15:19:49 GMT
The 'Left' is one of two things, it's either the Jeremy Corbyn-types (old school socialists) or it's the Wokerati who, whether they know it or not, are effectively mono-ID Marxists mimicking Mao's Cultural Revolution.
The BBC is neither of these.
The BBC wants to think it's 'left' but it's the broad centre of middle-class affluent managerial-professional Remainers who want benefits of Conservative government (property inflation! buy-to-let!! NEPOTISM, geographically and economically ring-fenced schools, etc) without the guilt of voting Conservative.
And these people absolutely do know what is best for everyone, usually because they went to uni and even got a degree in English Lit/Media Studies/Computahs.
They also want power, which is why they didn't take over the Lib Dems instead.
If you're wondering what happened to the old Labour voters who are not Corbyn socialists or Woke, they were ignored/abandoned due to being ignorant or bigoted (and the Red Wall fell).
Oh you are good! Nicely summarised. 👍 Sarcasm? |
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Post by danb on Mar 12, 2023 15:43:35 GMT
Not at all. It is an excellent summary of where society is at the moment.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 12, 2023 15:45:25 GMT
Oops. Good job I checked before saying he he |
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Post by theatremiss on Mar 12, 2023 16:59:26 GMT
All top BBC management are appointed by the government. Nothing is ever said when it is the Left appointing their people. No one said a thing when Blair appointed Labour supporter Gavyn Davies as chairman, his wife Sue Nye even worked for Gordon Brown! It is just typical that people assume it is only the Tories that put their people in certain key roles. They have short memories.
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 12, 2023 17:11:43 GMT
Chair of the BBC may as well be a Cabinet-level position, some might say it is (obv. unspoken and informal).
Everything about BBC News and Current Affairs is fraudulent, from the originating premise to tonights broadcast. Imo it should be restricted to 2 channels - BBC News and BBC Parliament - and not allowed to wrap its agendas around entertainment channels.
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Post by vdcni on Mar 12, 2023 19:02:37 GMT
All top BBC management are appointed by the government. Nothing is ever said when it is the Left appointing their people. No one said a thing when Blair appointed Labour supporter Gavyn Davies as chairman, his wife Sue Nye even worked for Gordon Brown! It is just typical that people assume it is only the Tories that put their people in certain key roles. They have short memories. Actually Gavyn Davies appointment was heavily criticised so what you've said isn't true at all. And of course Davies time as Chairman saw relations between the BBC and the then Labour government hit an all time low, unlike right now when they are marching in step. As always the Conservatives go further and the Sharp appointment is particularly alarming given his, at the time, undisclosed role in arranging a loan for Boris Johnson. |
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Post by karloscar on Mar 13, 2023 13:42:13 GMT
Tim Davie's response to their self inflicted disaster was risible, trying to claim that he acted appropriately suspending Lineker and didn't cave in to right wing pressure on Friday. So why did it take three days for him to realise that there was anything wrong? And since so called BBC impartiality is applied in such a random arbitrary fashion, how the hell will the poor sod tasked with reassessing the rules make sure they're then applied appropriately?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 13, 2023 15:12:44 GMT
Yep good to have Gary back on our screens
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Post by theatremiss on Mar 13, 2023 15:47:27 GMT
All top BBC management are appointed by the government. Nothing is ever said when it is the Left appointing their people. No one said a thing when Blair appointed Labour supporter Gavyn Davies as chairman, his wife Sue Nye even worked for Gordon Brown! It is just typical that people assume it is only the Tories that put their people in certain key roles. They have short memories. Actually Gavyn Davies appointment was heavily criticised so what you've said isn't true at all. And of course Davies time as Chairman saw relations between the BBC and the then Labour government hit an all time low, unlike right now when they are marching in step. As always the Conservatives go further and the Sharp appointment is particularly alarming given his, at the time, undisclosed role in arranging a loan for Boris Johnson. Well that criticism passed me by then. It does however seem like the current government has no influence over the BBC as they’ve had no influence in Lineker returning or not. Hopefully this whole debacle can fast forward towards private funding of the BBC and unlike other subscription channels we aren’t in effect bullied into paying the £13pm fee to watch live TV. Personally I wouldn’t pay but my husband likes to watch live sport on Sky and a such we need a licence. Wrong on all levels. I’d rather pay and extra £1 to each channel to be able to watch live TV than fund the BBC and their over inflated salaries paid to overinflated egos |
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 13, 2023 15:56:27 GMT
Gavyn Davies was Chair of the BBC in the period leading up to the invasion of Iraq, the invasion itself and some of the occupation. Quite difficult to not fall out with a PM hell bent on selling a set of bogus pretexts to Parliament and the UK public justifying that transparent lunacy: 'dodgy dossier', David Kelly, et al. And esp. with Alastair Campbell doing his hyper version of The Thick of It in your ear every day, threatening to saw off your dangly man bits.
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