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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 2, 2021 21:35:31 GMT
I know the show hasn't opened yet, but looking at the tour venues Bedknobs is going to it looks like it could play in a smaller house than the Prince Edward - IF it goes to the West End. Thats surprising I thought a show like this would require a bigger theatre. Nativity the musical went from one of the countries smallish theatres (Birmingham Rep) to one of the largest being the Hammersmith Odeon.
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Post by stevejohnson678 on Jan 2, 2021 22:38:46 GMT
Strange, isn’t it? It’s gonna be a large tour (at least judging from the costumes, actors won’t have to move things with their hands like in the awful NetWorks tour). But the Palace is a big venue. Maybe they’re waiting to see if it’s worth it to keep touring the UK after the West End run, or just bring the whole set to Broadway for the revival? Or maybe they’ll leave Manchester for Christmas 2021, and keep London for later on? Definitely not in Manchester for Christmas 2021. The Book of Mormon is at the Palace Theatre, Aladdin at the Opera House and The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe at The Lowry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 23:04:14 GMT
Thats surprising I thought a show like this would require a bigger theatre. Nativity the musical went from one of the countries smallish theatres (Birmingham Rep) to one of the largest being the Hammersmith Odeon. I wouldn't call the REP's stage small I think it's quite big. But in terms of capacity maybe it is at 825 seats. But I agree that Nativity managed to work at the Hammersmith Apollo but also they did use star casting. Bedknobs could possibly work in a bigger theatre (I know they have the Mayflower, Southampton on the list) but for a long run in the West End, I don't know if it's as well-known as a title from Mary Poppins or Disney's other ones.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 2, 2021 23:56:39 GMT
I agree with you
The point I trying to make you can upscale from a small stage to a bigger stage, with good producing, as you pointed out Nativity went big with stat casting, you can also upscale sets and lighting for the West End.
On a side note It is a pet hate when producers use the black curtain surround to save dosh,
As you say they’re playing the Mayflowerto the smaller theatre of the Orchard, by me in Dartford.
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Post by iamamazing on Jan 3, 2021 1:07:06 GMT
It’s exciting to know it’s a large scaled tour I’m hoping it I can’t love her dosn’t get changed. Would also be a nice touch to give beast evermore in act 2 to give him a song in the second act. I just cannot wait to here “home” live again it’s such a stunning song.
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Post by robertb213 on Mar 15, 2021 10:43:42 GMT
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Post by stevejohnson678 on Mar 15, 2021 12:35:29 GMT
Panto is back at the palladium next year so beauty and the beast must be spending Christmas either somewhere else or the wmc in Cardiff as we haven’t got a Xmas show for next year yet. My gues is we’re either getting beauty or love never dies Make sure you're sitting down before reading any further iamamazing but Beauty and the Beast is indeed spending Christmas 2021 at the WMC in Cardiff!
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Post by Sean on Mar 15, 2021 14:33:09 GMT
Dublin run rescheduled to Christmas 2022
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Post by iamamazing on Mar 15, 2021 15:09:26 GMT
Panto is back at the palladium next year so beauty and the beast must be spending Christmas either somewhere else or the wmc in Cardiff as we haven’t got a Xmas show for next year yet. My gues is we’re either getting beauty or love never dies Make sure you're sitting down before reading any further iamamazing but Beauty and the Beast is indeed spending Christmas 2021 at the WMC in Cardiff! Chuffed with this hopefully the WMC will be open in time for Xmas and this is the perfect show to open it with and to bring families back to the theatre again. Perfect choice WMC I can’t wait defiantly getting tickets for this. And we have les miz next Xmas. :-)
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Post by iamamazing on Mar 22, 2021 13:57:56 GMT
Got my tickets for Cardiff this morning I cannot wait being a promise member has its perks :-) I recon this will pull a Mary Poppins tour then London I think it’s waiting till a theatre becomes avaible. I just cannot wait to see it again it was the first ever musical I saw. I’m so excited can’t wait to here the casting for this.
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Mar 22, 2021 23:27:36 GMT
According to the official Batb Disney website "Our production of Beauty and the Beast will now open at the Bristol Hippodrome ... 25 August 2021". Further down the page it reads " Bristol Hippodrome 24 August - 18 September (rescheduled) Back on sale soon"
The Hippodrome / ATG website confirms 25 (not 24) August opening. It was originally scheduled at Bristol from 12 August.
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Post by sph on Mar 23, 2021 1:42:53 GMT
I'm so intrigued by this production, I hope nothing else happens to prevent or postpone it!
I can't wait to see production shots! The design of the original was just spot-on perfect! The enchanted objects, the huge castle - back in the 80s and 90s sets were so big and opulent. I hope they don't cut it down this time and that they do something new and interesting. But I can't imagine a show beginning on tour to have the same scale as the original.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 23, 2021 2:28:09 GMT
Sad that Leicester has missed out, due to no fault of their own.
So confirmed to play;
Bristol Hippodrome - 24/08 - 18/09 Liverpool Empire - 23/09 - 16/10 Edinburgh Playhouse 21/10 - 27/11 Cardiff Millennium Centre - 09/12 - 15/01/2022
Dublin Bord Gais - November 2022 (is this a Xmas sit down?)
So guess this will also play Southampton, Plymouth, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford & Newcastle. Possibly it could also play Glasgow, Aberdeen, Canterbury, Leeds, Milton Keynes & Norwich.
So wonder what room this has now to fit London in, unless it is a tour stop in Summer 2022 at the London Palladium/Dominion.
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Post by danb on Mar 23, 2021 6:06:06 GMT
Bizarre that they’d put Bristol & Cardiff in the same block. They normally spread them out to encourage repeat visits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 7:26:48 GMT
Sad that Leicester has missed out, due to no fault of their own. So confirmed to play; Bristol Hippodrome - 24/08 - 18/09 Liverpool Empire - 23/09 - 16/10 Edinburgh Playhouse 21/10 - 27/11 Cardiff Millennium Centre - 09/12 - 15/01/2022 Dublin Bord Gais - November 2022 (is this a Xmas sit down?) So guess this will also play Southampton, Plymouth, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford & Newcastle. Possibly it could also play Glasgow, Aberdeen, Canterbury, Leeds, Milton Keynes & Norwich. So wonder what room this has now to fit London in, unless it is a tour stop in Summer 2022 at the London Palladium/Dominion. I would imagine it playing Sunderland over Newcastle as it’s a much bigger stage, but I’m not sure.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Mar 23, 2021 8:35:27 GMT
They will do a Leicester season at some point. They will have developed a relationship with Curve and will want to honour that.
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Post by Sean on Mar 23, 2021 13:39:47 GMT
Sad that Leicester has missed out, due to no fault of their own. So confirmed to play; Bristol Hippodrome - 24/08 - 18/09 Liverpool Empire - 23/09 - 16/10 Edinburgh Playhouse 21/10 - 27/11 Cardiff Millennium Centre - 09/12 - 15/01/2022 Dublin Bord Gais - November 2022 (is this a Xmas sit down?) So guess this will also play Southampton, Plymouth, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford & Newcastle. Possibly it could also play Glasgow, Aberdeen, Canterbury, Leeds, Milton Keynes & Norwich. So wonder what room this has now to fit London in, unless it is a tour stop in Summer 2022 at the London Palladium/Dominion. It is only playing dublin for the first half of December which seems odd. It must be playing somewhere else over christmas?
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Post by TallPaul on Mar 23, 2021 15:55:52 GMT
What is even more odd, in that case, is the 'launch' page on the official website, the one in blue, clearly states, "...we have been able to reschedule the engagement to Christmas 2022." Perhaps I'm being old fashioned, and I know it seems to gets earlier every year, but to me Christmas actually means Christmas, rather than late November / early December.
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Post by Sean on Mar 23, 2021 17:28:17 GMT
What is even more odd, in that case, is the 'launch' page on the official website, the one in blue, clearly states, "...we have been able to reschedule the engagement to Christmas 2022." Perhaps I'm being old fashioned, and I know it seems to gets earlier every year, but to me Christmas actually means Christmas, rather than late November / early December. I agree. Christmas means during the christmas period to me but the dates for Dublin are 24th November to 17th December.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 23, 2021 18:37:33 GMT
If it was to open in London after Dublin, I would have thought it would want to be in London for most of November and December and not move theatre during the busiest time. Cannot see it going into London in 2022.
Also is the London Palladium availability hindered by the Michael McIntyre Show that happens around Christmas and is filmed at the London Palladium?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 19:21:58 GMT
What is even more odd, in that case, is the 'launch' page on the official website, the one in blue, clearly states, "...we have been able to reschedule the engagement to Christmas 2022." Perhaps I'm being old fashioned, and I know it seems to gets earlier every year, but to me Christmas actually means Christmas, rather than late November / early December. I agree. Christmas means during the christmas period to me but the dates for Dublin are 24th November to 17th December. Well by the schedule retail works to now, Christmas is pretty much over by 17th December
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Post by Sam on Mar 24, 2021 9:29:49 GMT
If it was to open in London after Dublin, I would have thought it would want to be in London for most of November and December and not move theatre during the busiest time. Cannot see it going into London in 2022. Also is the London Palladium availability hindered by the Michael McIntyre Show that happens around Christmas and is filmed at the London Palladium? We saw a Christmas recording of his show on the 10th Nov 2019.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 19, 2021 21:19:49 GMT
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Post by sph on Apr 19, 2021 21:38:10 GMT
I think it's slightly weird and invasive to transcribe someone else's emails and then release them to damage their career.
I don't support the behaviour of the big "untouchable" producers like Rudin who think they can do what they like, but I don't want to shoot down those who perhaps got their careers because of him and are caught in an awkward place.
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Post by ali973 on Apr 20, 2021 2:02:58 GMT
I think it's slightly weird and invasive to transcribe someone else's emails and then release them to damage their career. I don't support the behaviour of the big "untouchable" producers like Rudin who think they can do what they like, but I don't want to shoot down those who perhaps got their careers because of him and are caught in an awkward place. Rob Roth email shows that he enables harmful, violent and abusive behavior. Anyone who approves of this behavior is a danger to his own team, should not be in a leadership position, and must be stopped. Whoever leaked this, I understand part of the industry, protected their colleagues who could have been harmed by Rob's tolerance for abuse.
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Post by sph on Apr 20, 2021 16:46:37 GMT
Yes, and of course I don't agree with allowing that behaviour. I just don't like this digging-up-dirt society we've become where everyone jumps out and goes "GOTCHA! YOU'RE CANCELLED!"
Although maybe that's the way to get rid of these larger problems, who knows? It just seems like Roth might be shouldering a burden that should lie with Rudin.
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Post by stompboy on Apr 21, 2021 7:00:33 GMT
It just seems like Roth might be shouldering a burden that should lie with Rudin. Personally, I don't think he is 'shouldering' anything for anyone - he is as 'guilty' as Rudin... he was clearly caught out agreeing and defending someone (a buddy, no doubt!) on their disgusting attitudes and actions... he is totally complicit with this written acknowledgement and acceptance. If you lie down with the dirty dog, you're gonna catch fleas!
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Post by Boob on Apr 21, 2021 8:06:07 GMT
Presumably ingratiating himself with powerful people was the only way he could get work. He can’t direct for toffee.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 21, 2021 19:01:09 GMT
Presumably ingratiating himself with powerful people was the only way he could get work. He can’t direct for toffee. I was going to say- what exactly has he done? He’s hardly an A list Broadway director. Or even B List.
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Post by princeton on Apr 21, 2021 22:27:37 GMT
He was basically a Disney in-house theme park director who struck lucky (though to hear him tell the story he was the driving force behind Disney deciding to produce on Broadway) and essentially stuck an extended theme park show on the New York stage (the set designer and choreographer were part of the resident theme park team). He was dropped from Aida after the out of town tryout (when it was called Elaborate Lives) and had one more Broadway show with Lestat, which ran for about two months. He's made a lot of money from being in the right place at the right time - rather than having any particular artistic vision. Why else would he have been returning to the same show 25 years later in what is almost certain to be a copy cat revival - I'd guess it's because he can't do anything else (other than criticise Tony award winning actresses and suck up to bully-boy producers).
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