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Post by pianowithsam on Jul 25, 2020 17:20:40 GMT
To all musicals post 2005: It is ok to use more than 4 chords in a song. Dave Malloy: "Hold my beer" |
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Post by westendboy on May 31, 2021 15:22:02 GMT
Late to the party, but oh well;
Hugh Jackman as Valjean seems to get a free pass compared to Russell Crowe as Javert, but Jackman was only a little better than him. He honestly should've been cast as Javert instead and get someone with the singing chops for Valjean.
Disney's film adaptation of 'Into the Woods' is one of the worst stage to screen adaptions EVER! A complete bastardization of Sondheim and Lapine's masterpiece.
I'm gonna get a lot of raised eyebrows here, but 'Love Never Dies' isn't THAT bad. Don't get me wrong, it has a LOT of problems, especially in terms of story, characters and some lyrics. But in terms of music casts who have performed it (specifically the London and Australian casts), there is stuff to like! 'Till I Hear You Sing' for example is wonderful!
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Post by danb on May 31, 2021 15:42:32 GMT
{br]I'm gonna get a lot of raised eyebrows here, but 'Love Never Dies' isn't THAT bad. Don't get me wrong, it has a LOT of problems, especially in terms of story, characters and some lyrics. But in terms of music casts who have performed it (specifically the London and Australian casts), there is stuff to like! 'Till I Hear You Sing' for example is wonderful! [/quote]
I concur. There is lots to like and some of the melodies are his very best. I just find Sierra Bogie very screetchy and difficult to enjoy. She could have bitten the dust five minutes in for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 15:46:21 GMT
I'm gonna get a lot of raised eyebrows here, but 'Love Never Dies' isn't THAT bad. Don't get me wrong, it has a LOT of problems, especially in terms of story, characters and some lyrics. I agree. There's the obvious problem that an insane murderer is treated as the most eligible of bachelors by every young woman who meets him, but apart from that it's an OK show with some great musical numbers. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 31, 2021 16:00:26 GMT
Alfie Boe cannot act his way out of a paper bag
Hamilton isn’t actually that good. Act 1 is brilliant, Act 2 is a snooze fest. And then it just ends.
Sheridan Smith is mediocre and shouldn’t have been cast in Funny Girl.
The recent Company was a mess but everyone was too scared to criticise it because of the gender swap.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 31, 2021 17:01:03 GMT
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Post by inthenose on May 31, 2021 17:03:24 GMT
Alfie Boe cannot act his way out of a paper bag Hamilton isn’t actually that good. Act 1 is brilliant, Act 2 is a snooze fest. And then it just ends. Sheridan Smith is mediocre and shouldn’t have been cast in Funny Girl. The recent Company was a mess but everyone was too scared to criticise it because of the gender swap. Mr B, you're a bit of a stalwart of this place and you get an enormous amount of respect and leeway. So I ask with caution and respect - as there may be things everyone else here knows and I don't - which give you more credibility. I'm curious about what you *do* like? Mods, this isn't an attack, just responding to points made. Previously I've asked for a little more background about why you feel the way you feel, specifically referring to Zeta-Jones as a "disaster" in A Little Night Music on Broadway. Assuming you saw the production, naturally, I asked you why it was a disaster. Sadly, I didn't receive a reply on that. I am not a huge fan of Hamilton, for example, but clearly people do think it's "that good". I assume you didn't like it much, for reasons I'm sure you've stated elsewhere. Which is fine. I don't go looking for and posting in the Hamilton thread. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 31, 2021 17:03:24 GMT
Victor/Victoria. I want to see a male play the lead. A man playing a woman playing a man playing a woman! It would have more layers than puff pastry. Oh, this is more of an idea than anything else. Someone, please take it and make something out of it! Been saying this for ages. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 31, 2021 17:07:34 GMT
Alfie Boe cannot act his way out of a paper bag Hamilton isn’t actually that good. Act 1 is brilliant, Act 2 is a snooze fest. And then it just ends. Sheridan Smith is mediocre and shouldn’t have been cast in Funny Girl. The recent Company was a mess but everyone was too scared to criticise it because of the gender swap. Mr B, you're a bit of a stalwart of this place and you get an enormous amount of respect and leeway. No leeway is given from the moderators, same rules apply to everyone - to people inside the industry or otherwise. If people think rules have been broken, don’t engage with it, report it. |
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Post by inthenose on May 31, 2021 17:11:07 GMT
Mr B, you're a bit of a stalwart of this place and you get an enormous amount of respect and leeway. No leeway is given from the moderators, same rules apply to everyone - to people inside the industry or otherwise. If people think rules have been broken, report it. No no Burly, sorry my fault. I wasn't clear. I meant leeway in terms of strength of opinions of taste. Like statements of "XYZ is bad/good" without being asked appropriately as to why he feels that way. He has broken no rules and is an interesting member of our community to read and respond to. |
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Post by Dawnstar on May 31, 2021 17:23:06 GMT
I'm gonna get a lot of raised eyebrows here, but 'Love Never Dies' isn't THAT bad. Don't get me wrong, it has a LOT of problems, especially in terms of story, characters and some lyrics. I agree. There's the obvious problem that an insane murderer is treated as the most eligible of bachelors by every young woman who meets him, but apart from that it's an OK show with some great musical numbers. It absolutely baffles me that we are supposed to find it plausible that a young woman engaged to a rich, handsome Viscount who she had known since childhood suddenly decides just before her wedding to go & have sex with a psychopathic, deformed, multiple murderer & stalker! I remember the one time I saw the show live sitting there simultaneously hating the plot & what had been done to the characters while getting goosebumps from some of the music. If only the lovely music had been used for a better plot. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 31, 2021 18:35:24 GMT
While on Love never dies, that cringe moment at the start when the boy talks about how he can't swim. Oh I wonder how that one will pan(dle) out?
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Post by couldileaveyou on May 31, 2021 18:40:05 GMT
I agree. There's the obvious problem that an insane murderer is treated as the most eligible of bachelors by every young woman who meets him, but apart from that it's an OK show with some great musical numbers. It absolutely baffles me that we are supposed to find it plausible that a young woman engaged to a rich, handsome Viscount who she had known since childhood suddenly decides just before her wedding to go & have sex with a psychopathic, deformed, multiple murderer & stalker! I remember the one time I saw the show live sitting there simultaneously hating the plot & what had been done to the characters while getting goosebumps from some of the music. If only the lovely music had been used for a better plot. Poor Piangi was still warm and yet she chose to ride the Phantom's gondola smh |
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Post by inthenose on May 31, 2021 19:09:37 GMT
It absolutely baffles me that we are supposed to find it plausible that a young woman engaged to a rich, handsome Viscount who she had known since childhood suddenly decides just before her wedding to go & have sex with a psychopathic, deformed, multiple murderer & stalker! I remember the one time I saw the show live sitting there simultaneously hating the plot & what had been done to the characters while getting goosebumps from some of the music. If only the lovely music had been used for a better plot. Poor Piangi was still warm and yet she chose to ride the Phantom's gondola smh Lots of people admire the Phantom's gondola and want a ride! |
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Post by carmella1 on May 31, 2021 19:14:41 GMT
I always found the premise of Paint Never Dries as stupid. As you said above.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 31, 2021 20:16:16 GMT
I enjoyed my experience of LND (the Australian DVD). Sorry to be so backward!
We could spend hours, nay, days picking apart the implausible plot points of many musicals. I find the vitriol directed at this show puzzling.
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Post by inthenose on May 31, 2021 21:42:44 GMT
I enjoyed my experience of LND (the Australian DVD). Sorry to be so backward! We could spend hours, nay, days picking apart the implausible plot points of many musicals. I find the vitriol directed at this show puzzling. As one of those purists I hated it, natch 🤣 |
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 31, 2021 22:11:37 GMT
Alfie Boe cannot act his way out of a paper bag Hamilton isn’t actually that good. Act 1 is brilliant, Act 2 is a snooze fest. And then it just ends. Sheridan Smith is mediocre and shouldn’t have been cast in Funny Girl. The recent Company was a mess but everyone was too scared to criticise it because of the gender swap. Mr B, you're a bit of a stalwart of this place and you get an enormous amount of respect and leeway. So I ask with caution and respect - as there may be things everyone else here knows and I don't - which give you more credibility. I'm curious about what you *do* like? Mods, this isn't an attack, just responding to points made. Previously I've asked for a little more background about why you feel the way you feel, specifically referring to Zeta-Jones as a "disaster" in A Little Night Music on Broadway. Assuming you saw the production, naturally, I asked you why it was a disaster. Sadly, I didn't receive a reply on that. I am not a huge fan of Hamilton, for example, but clearly people do think it's "that good". I assume you didn't like it much, for reasons I'm sure you've stated elsewhere. Which is fine. I don't go looking for and posting in the Hamilton thread. I’m baffled by this response. I don’t think I’ve said anything outrageous here? I didn’t like Catherine Zeta Jones in that show as I felt she acted it very crassly, with none of the subtlety that Judi Dench brought to it. Just watch her Tony performance to see how she ruined Send in the Clowns. I don’t hate Hamilton at all, but I don’t think it’s the second coming that everyone says it is. Also I say Alfie Boe can’t act... because he CANNOT ACT. Not sure what else I can say there. |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Jun 1, 2021 1:03:38 GMT
Some of you have missed the point of Six. The songs are take offs of pop singers (Anne Boleyn = Avril Levigne, Jane Seymour = Adele etc) who were popular in the 2000s and there's very little staging because it wasn't written as a West End musical. It was a clever student musical theatre society show, designed for a venue where the stage might be needed by somebody else straight after you've finished, and a blackout might be achieved by somebody flicking the light switch off... (Whether it should have become a West End musical is a different argument.)
Gilbert and Sullivan is more lyrically clever than Hamilton, and LMM was out of his depth singing-wise in the filmed version (he wasn't bad, but everyone else was better!).
There was no need for a new song for Ellen in Miss Saigon.
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 1, 2021 4:40:50 GMT
If you write a musical about a “misfit” it will be popular despite having crap songs:
Billy Elliot
Everybody’s Talking About Jamie
Kinky Boots
etc
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Post by danb on Jun 1, 2021 4:53:31 GMT
THERE WAS NO NEED FOR A NEW SONG FOR ELLEN IN ‘MISS SAIGON’!
‘Her or Me’ was one of the stand out moments so quite why they felt the need to scrap it and replace it with the inferior ‘Maybe’ is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 5:47:25 GMT
I loved Hamilton
Fun Home was better than Hamilton
Aladdin deserved an Olivier nod for best musical #sorrynotsorry
Can we stop pretending Australian Theatre is any good
Lucy Durack is the worst actress ever
Michael Mayer is one of the best directors ever
I refused to watch Kinky Boots when it won the Tony
Mary Poppins was actually a good musical
Wicked is sh*t
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 5:49:17 GMT
Hugh Jackman was actually good in Les Mis
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 6:08:34 GMT
I enjoyed my experience of LND (the Australian DVD). Sorry to be so backward! We could spend hours, nay, days picking apart the implausible plot points of many musicals. I find the vitriol directed at this show puzzling. I think a lot of the vitriol was created by overly enthusiastic fans whose complaints came down to "I wanted the story to continue but only if it matched the fan fic I wrote". |
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