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Post by talkingheads on Dec 13, 2020 22:53:58 GMT
No chance we will go in lockdown again. The Daily Mail were shameful in doing everything to get the lockdown lifted. This is what Boris ultimately listened to. Really no surprise because of the lockdown their circulation has gone through the floor, as people aren’t commuting. The circulation for all newspapers is so poor, that the circulation figures aren’t published anymore. I am not saying we should go into lockdown, but should listen to scientists first. I think there's every chance of us going into lockdown again. After Christmas we will have no choice. I imagine it's all planned. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 14, 2020 12:06:59 GMT
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Post by Mark on Dec 14, 2020 12:36:21 GMT
I really hope they don't bring forward the date of the move into the now inevitable tier 3.
It was one thing to have Les Mis cancelled, it will be another huge blow if Pantoland is now cancelled on Thursday afternoon.
Genuinely beyond caring now.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Dec 14, 2020 13:30:31 GMT
Looks as if tomorrow is the last night for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 13:58:49 GMT
Looks as if tomorrow is the last night for a while. My reaction to that is a four letter word not suitable for a public forum! I want to throw everyone who is breaking the current rules in jail and let those of us who are complying get the tiniest bit of joy we should be having at the end of this appalling year. See how they like it then! I feel for everyone working in the arts right now. It's so unfair. |
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Post by theatreian on Dec 14, 2020 14:08:00 GMT
I feel for everyone working in the arts right now. It's so unfair. It is so difficult , though not entirely unpredictable. For consistency London will have to be put on Tier 3 as it is now far higher in cases than most current Tier 3 areas. Although I comment theatres for making an effort to open, in the middle of a pandemic which still has some months to run, I don't see it as entirely sensible. Gathering indoors in large numbers was always going to be risky. Hospitality has already taken a hammering and will continue to do so. If you are living in a higher tier you are not supposed to be going to those lower tier venues anyway. It is a catch 22 really. Do you try and open and risk having to close or do you just stay closed and ride it out until it has settled down. With the Christmas period coming , lets hope everyone thinks about others and does not set us back with a huge rise in cases again. The only way to get things up and running quicker is for all of us to keep to the rules and get vaccinated when asked to! |
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Post by clair on Dec 14, 2020 14:10:49 GMT
The saddest part of it is that theatres have worked so hard to be safe - I felt far safer in the Palladium than in my local supermarket, as for the local high street once was enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 14:12:32 GMT
want to throw everyone who is breaking the current rules in jail and let those of us who are complying get the tiniest bit of joy we should be having at the end of this appalling year. There's a story on the BBC website at the moment about the Test and Trace system and how people just don't care when they're told they're infected. There are people who test positive and go to work anyway because they "feel fine". It's like they think their actions don't have consequences. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 14, 2020 14:28:06 GMT
want to throw everyone who is breaking the current rules in jail and let those of us who are complying get the tiniest bit of joy we should be having at the end of this appalling year. There's a story on the BBC website at the moment about the Test and Trace system and how people just don't care when they're told they're infected. There are people who test positive and go to work anyway because they "feel fine". It's like they think their actions don't have consequences. In fairness if people can't afford to miss work then what are they meant to do? I'm not saying it's right to go in but doesn't applying for sick pay etc take a while? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 14:36:33 GMT
Although I comment theatres for making an effort to open, in the middle of a pandemic which still has some months to run, I don't see it as entirely sensible. Gathering indoors in large numbers was always going to be risky. I'm guessing you haven't been in a theatre recently? The safety measures in all of those I have been to have been exemplary and they are not the problem - they have been set up to minimise risk. Same with restaurants. It isn't gathering indoors in large numbers that is the biggest risk, it is the people who are seeing large numbers of family and friends without distancing, the shops where distancing doesn't work, and the schools where distancing is impossible and children then spread the disease back to their families. A change in tiers which affects none of those things is hardly going to make a difference to the case levels, especially if non-essential retail stays open in the biggest shopping week of the year. It's completely laughable, or it wouldn't be if it wasn't so tragically ineffective and causing so much undue misery to people who are complying with the rules while not making a modicum of difference to those who aren't. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 14:38:31 GMT
want to throw everyone who is breaking the current rules in jail and let those of us who are complying get the tiniest bit of joy we should be having at the end of this appalling year. There's a story on the BBC website at the moment about the Test and Trace system and how people just don't care when they're told they're infected. There are people who test positive and go to work anyway because they "feel fine". It's like they think their actions don't have consequences. It really is ridiculous, but if for some people that is their only way of putting food on the table then I can understand their dilemma. Others are just selfish and should be punished. And that also shows very clearly why going into Tier 3 is not going to help. |
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Post by christya on Dec 14, 2020 16:00:38 GMT
The part that I found not even slightly surprising is 70% of calls going unanswered. Most people I know use only mobile phones now, and won't pick up for a number that they don't recognise.
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Post by clair on Dec 14, 2020 16:07:45 GMT
The part that I found not even slightly surprising is 70% of calls going unanswered. Most people I know use only mobile phones now, and won't pick up for a number that they don't recognise. Same here - also many older people don't check voicemails as they have mobiles for essential use thus have to pay to check them. My Dad's one of those, as far as he's concerned if he doesn't know the number he doesn't need to speak to them. All the years of unwanted scams and selling cold calls has resulted in a culture of us all blocking unknown numbers - those companies need to accept that part of the problem now is their fault |
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 14, 2020 16:51:48 GMT
Today’s announcement doesn’t come as a shock, but still very regretful.
Hopefully fast forward a year to 14th December 2021 and all this Covid will be far far behind us.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 14, 2020 16:54:29 GMT
want to throw everyone who is breaking the current rules in jail and let those of us who are complying get the tiniest bit of joy we should be having at the end of this appalling year. There's a story on the BBC website at the moment about the Test and Trace system and how people just don't care when they're told they're infected. There are people who test positive and go to work anyway because they "feel fine". It's like they think their actions don't have consequences. A great staring point would be for the police to get off their arses from canteens and go out and start doing what they’re paid for and protect the people who pay their wages. They don’t have the same problem in Spain. |
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Post by sfsusan on Dec 14, 2020 17:12:47 GMT
My Dad's one of those, as far as he's concerned if he doesn't know the number he doesn't need to speak to them. Doesn't he check his voice mail, though? I may not answer, but if even an unknown number leaves a message, I'll listen to it. (I get a lot of "We've been notified you've recently been in an accident...", but those are easy to delete.) If a message said "You've been exposed to COVID", I'd certainly call them back! |
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Post by theatreian on Dec 14, 2020 17:28:40 GMT
I am sure theatres have made great efforts with safety, but in my mind it is just not feasible at the moment with everything else that is going on. The fact that London has the highest rates and has done for some days now couldn't be ignored I guess. It must be really hard for those venues that have put shows on now to have to close. The fact is we don't really know where people catch covid exactly.
As one who is complying with the rules, it is really difficult as we have been in Tier 3 for some time now. However there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by clair on Dec 14, 2020 17:30:19 GMT
My Dad's one of those, as far as he's concerned if he doesn't know the number he doesn't need to speak to them. Doesn't he check his voice mail, though? I may not answer, but if even an unknown number leaves a message, I'll listen to it. (I get a lot of "We've been notified you've recently been in an accident...", but those are easy to delete.) If a message said "You've been exposed to COVID", I'd certainly call them back! No because he has to pay every time he checks them, he barely uses his mobile so it's pay as you go and living on just state pension every penny counts |
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Post by daisy24601 on Dec 14, 2020 17:57:55 GMT
This is just horrible. It takes so much work to get places up and running again then after a couple of weeks they have to close again. Then be ready to possibly open again whenever. It messes people around terribly.
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Post by Mark on Dec 14, 2020 18:52:11 GMT
I am sure theatres have made great efforts with safety, but in my mind it is just not feasible at the moment with everything else that is going on. The fact that London has the highest rates and has done for some days now couldn't be ignored I guess. It must be really hard for those venues that have put shows on now to have to close. The fact is we don't really know where people catch covid exactly. As one who is complying with the rules, it is really difficult as we have been in Tier 3 for some time now. However there is light at the end of the tunnel. Isn't it time then for places like theatres, cinemas etc. If you don't want to take the "risk" of going to a covid secure venue, don't go, and let those who DO want to take the risk, let them get on with their lives? "Lockdown" isn't working. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 14, 2020 20:14:33 GMT
How about the staff working in the venue?
The government could lift the lockdown and allow theatres to reopen, as was pre March, however the number aren’t to sustain an audience and most show would just close.
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Post by Mark on Dec 14, 2020 20:25:24 GMT
How about the staff working in the venue? The government could lift the lockdown and allow theatres to reopen, as was pre March, however the number aren’t to sustain an audience and most show would just close. I don’t get a choice if I want to be crew on a full flight to India. That’s my job. Same as all those who work in crowded shops. As sold out shows prove, there are plenty of people willing to go. |
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Post by theatreian on Dec 14, 2020 23:24:47 GMT
It is an impossible situation whichever side you are on. All I want is for things to get back to normal in a safe a way as possible as soon as possible. The government rightly or wrongly sees their job to protect the population from this virus and protect the NHS. There have been many errors made by all sides in this pandemic, but the blame game doesn't really cut it now.
I really hope that businesses survive until things can get back to a more normal level so we can actually go back to enjoying the nicer things in life again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 23:55:29 GMT
The government rightly or wrongly sees their job to protect the population from this virus and protect the NHS. If that is what they see as their job then they deserve all the blame they are getting, as the measures they are taking are not having the desired effect, and are very obviously not targeted at the right categories/sectors. |
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Post by kathryn on Dec 15, 2020 0:02:08 GMT
They do deserve all the blame they are getting.
We’ve ended up with the worst of all possible worlds - huge numbers of deaths, huge damage to the economy, and the NHS straining at the seams.
It didn’t have to be this way.
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