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Post by olliebean on Jan 14, 2022 22:28:16 GMT
Boris' Red Wall and Trump's Rust Belt (Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Michigan) are both interchangeable, both won big on the respective general election 2019 and 2016 US Presidential Election and Trump in the 2020 US Presidential election lost all and big in the Rust Belt to Biden, the same will happen to Johnson, the polls in the red wall looks especially dreadful. It won't happen to Johnson, because Johnson will be gone by then.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 15, 2022 0:22:42 GMT
Boris' Red Wall and Trump's Rust Belt (Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Michigan) are both interchangeable, both won big on the respective general election 2019 and 2016 US Presidential Election and Trump in the 2020 US Presidential election lost all and big in the Rust Belt to Biden, the same will happen to Johnson, the polls in the red wall looks especially dreadful. It won't happen to Johnson, because Johnson will be gone by then. Agreed Downing Street is like a sieve, so no real respite for Johnson, not that he deserves any. He is actually despised in Westminster and that is by his own party, as he was always on manoeuvres with his narcissism, he was only selected in 2019 as he was seen as the only Tory that could win a general election as he was popular with the wider public, this was after Tory party were licking their wounds after being trounced by the Brexit Party in the European elections, that popularity has since changed in the last couple of months and is set to get even worse. It is no secret secret that the tabloid newspaper promised him the Prime Ministership if he got Brexit down. If I was the Queen I wouldn’t except his apology and refuse to see him on a Wednesday afternoon. I am no royalist but the Queen acted with absolute dignity sitting by herself for her husbands funeral, he hasn’t. As they say be nice to the people on the way up, as you meet them on the way down. Also they say that someone who is unfaithful to his wife, will be unfaithful to the country. He was having an affair whilst is ex wife Marina was receiving cancer treatment, he is no good and I’m glad I didn’t vote for him. You are right he will be gone, a lot of Tory supporters’ won’t accept the Queen being insulted, it is a bridge too far,
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Post by lynette on Jan 15, 2022 23:02:33 GMT
I hope the Queen does see him. The audience with the Queen should sober him up a bit.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 15, 2022 23:34:20 GMT
When Boris goes, he might walk away immediately which would leave Raab as acting PM until a new leader is elected....
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Post by peggs on Jan 16, 2022 0:08:57 GMT
There's no good outcome as a replacement though is there, all deservedly tarred with the same brush, just varying faces of awful.
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Post by horton on Jan 16, 2022 8:02:23 GMT
I hope that the role he craved his whole megalomaniac life is now causing him exquisite pain and misery.
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Post by og on Jan 16, 2022 9:18:40 GMT
I hope the Queen does see him. The audience with the Queen should sober him up a bit. The amount of narcotics in his system, a months detox wouldn’t sober him up. It’s been overlooked quite considerably, due to the bigger issues, but this has really shone a light onto how systemic the drinking culture in Westminster really is. Ardent alcoholics the lot of them. It’s quite concerning and should have more people talking.
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Post by olliebean on Jan 16, 2022 12:08:16 GMT
Yes, the excuses seem to be converging on the No.10 work culture being such that they can't tell the difference between work and boozy parties. In which case, frankly, that's way more of a problem than the fact that the parties broke the rules.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 16, 2022 13:00:49 GMT
Absolutely. It baffles me that if they are denying they are parties and thus working, they are admitting to drinking copious amounts of booze on the job, which is frankly worse. Why aren't the media quizzing them about this?
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Post by Jon on Jan 17, 2022 12:55:56 GMT
I suspect Boris would rather be writing his book on Shakespeare than leading the country.
In terms of replacement, it's likely to be Rishi Sunak IMO.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 18, 2022 13:40:16 GMT
A quote from our Prime Minister.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 18, 2022 14:13:35 GMT
Person who stood in front of us more or less daily telling us to follow the rules says nobody told me the event (party) was against the rules.
Ignorance is no defence in law but this defence gives ignorants a bad name.
Beginning to wonder who is the most stupid, the ones who unquestionably support Johnson or the man himself, in reality meaningless as this cohort are the ones who are leading the Country whether directly in power or within the media.
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Post by Jon on Jan 18, 2022 17:40:04 GMT
It does surprise that Boris lasted two terms as Mayor of London given he's doing so badly as PM
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 18, 2022 18:06:34 GMT
I for one am looking forward to the litany of offences that can now be written off because 'Nobody told me'. Break the speed limit? Not my fault, nobody told me. Steal something? Not my fault, nobody said I couldn't.
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Post by The Matthew on Jan 18, 2022 18:20:49 GMT
It does surprise that Boris lasted two terms as Mayor of London given he's doing so badly as PM He didn't do that well as Mayor of London. He remained popular on the basis of his amiable bloke-down-the-pub image but he also wasted loads of money — close to £1 billion — on projects that failed or that he didn't see through to completion.
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Post by karloscar on Jan 19, 2022 7:55:36 GMT
The video of Boris facing questions from the Line of Duty leads is very well made, and not so flippant that it can be easily dismissed. He's a goner.
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Post by og on Jan 19, 2022 11:24:36 GMT
Wonder what lies will be peddled at PMQs today. He’s going to come out navy, fighting and very defensive against the op today. Like a little yappy dog that’s just sh*t on your doorstep and barking at you about it.
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 19, 2022 15:18:03 GMT
Wonder what lies will be peddled at PMQs today. He’s going to come out navy, fighting and very defensive against the op today. Like a little yappy dog that’s just sh*t on your doorstep and barking at you about it. Well this was certainly an accurate prediction It all seemed to be going so well for him until David Davis appeared at the end
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Post by Jon on Jan 19, 2022 16:26:09 GMT
I'm going to guess it'll be mid to late May when Boris announces he's leaving then we'll probably see Britain's Next Failure Prime Minister on TV in June and July followed by the new PM in July.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 19, 2022 16:49:41 GMT
Interesting conjecture, Tory MP joining Labour today was a a constructive ruse by Labour to strengthen Johnson’s position, the defection mobilised the Tory ranks to support Johnson vocally more than they have done recently and coalesced the Tory MP’s against a traitor.
The belief is that Johnson is so weakened in the public consciousness that come the next election he is an easy target as evidenced in PMQ’s over the last few weeks.
The dislike in polls is centred more on Johnson than the Party, a new leader will not be such an easy target, better the devil you know.
Like the leaking of the stories, Johnson is not given enough rope to hang himself only cause serious damage.
Johnson is not going to leave voluntarily so death by a thousand cuts is the strategy and let the people remove him, with the numbers he is unlikely to lose a vote of no confidence but at the next election the line ‘a man who couldn’t gain the confidence of his Party is not fit to be PM’
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 19, 2022 16:51:54 GMT
If Boris did hold on that long to June/July and Parliament seems to be smelling blood, I wouldn't have said that last week, last week I would have said Boris was a vote winner in the country, even though despised in Parliament. It is never good when one of your mp's crosses the floor and a Grandeur of the Tory party tells Boris to walk. This Prime Minister is lurching from bad to terrible with his operation 'big dog' failing to hit easy targets such as migrants in the channel and BBC have been unsuccessful to not make Boris the story.
If you told me in December 2019, that Theresa May could of served long as Prime Minister than Boris I would've choked on my Corn Flakes.
This Prime Minister needs to go and find his ditch.
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Post by olliebean on Jan 19, 2022 21:13:58 GMT
Meanwhile, I guess the fact that Tories are now more welcome than socialists in Labour says something about the breadth of choice we are going to have at the next general election.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 19, 2022 21:23:09 GMT
Meanwhile, I guess the fact that Tories are now more welcome than socialists in Labour says something about the breadth of choice we are going to have at the next general election. Starmer 7/1 to be next Tory leader
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Post by olliebean on Jan 20, 2022 9:16:03 GMT
While I'm as keen as the next person to see the back of Johnson, I can't shake this creeping sense of dread that whoever, and whatever, comes after he's gone will be - albeit less obviously - fundamentally worse.
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Post by og on Jan 20, 2022 9:51:32 GMT
Whoever comes next will be infinity more competent but with that will come stronger policies and harsher implications.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 20, 2022 10:16:05 GMT
I think one of Boris's major faults is he does not like conflict. To be a good manager you don't need to eb afraid of making decisions that may be unpopular and you have to go with what you believe in. Boris always seems to dither and one of the reasons why he has appeared popular in the past is his affable nature. This doesn't go well with his position though as Prime Ministers have to make uncomfortable decisions often. I don't see how he can be around much longer though.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 20, 2022 12:27:48 GMT
We get blackmail today, reported by Tory MP which is unprecedented.
Here we go again:
1. This did not happen. (Already in-process)
2. It did happen, but the Prime Minister knew nothing about it.
3. The Prime Minister knew about it, but it wasn’t technically blackmail.
4. It was blackmail, but the Prime Minister wasn’t told that blackmail was against the law.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 20, 2022 12:53:49 GMT
We get blackmail today, reported by Tory MP which is unprecedented. Here we go again: 1. This did not happen. (Already in-process) 2. It did happen, but the Prime Minister knew nothing about it. 3. The Prime Minister knew about it, but it wasn’t technically blackmail. 4. It was blackmail, but the Prime Minister wasn’t told that blackmail was against the law. Whips been blackmailing MP's for years and years 5. MP grows a back bone and stands up for beliefs
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 20, 2022 13:24:14 GMT
Agree, always been around, difference is that it is being reported by a Tory MP and it is withholding public money which is not within the remit of the whips.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 20, 2022 14:01:48 GMT
Agree, always been around, difference is that it is being reported by a Tory MP and it is withholding public money which is not within the remit of the whips. Only going to get worse. The Tory's have worked out a way of pressing reset button without letting the right of the Labour party have a go. #Mostsuccessfulwesterndemocraticparty
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