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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 20, 2020 14:19:13 GMT
I believe in change, in the current Labour Party bullying by a Minister would not be tolerated, actions speak louder than words and since Starmer got into a position of Leadership he has acted quickly and decisively when needed to. I believe all Political Parties should have high standards and since becoming Leader he has demonstrated his values consistently and decisively. I do like it that the only criticism of Starmer is that he was in Corbyn’s Cabinet and therefore has no principles and therefore Johnson is as good as it gets. The reinstatement of the Whip lies with Starmer and cannot see it happening, Starmer has said he has to be more contrite and one thing is sure he wants Corbyn gone and will not rest until he is. Have you massively missed the good Dr's point there?
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Post by david on Nov 20, 2020 23:57:17 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 21, 2020 9:57:36 GMT
Surely Patel will have to go. As a matter of urgency. The Cummings debacle was one thing. This is much more serious. Boris Johnson has told the whole of the UK that not only is it fine to bully, but the victim and the person who wrote the code have left instead of her. Seriously, how long will it he until there is civil unrest in the UK? We can't be far off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 13:14:06 GMT
I believe in change, in the current Labour Party bullying by a Minister would not be tolerated, actions speak louder than words and since Starmer got into a position of Leadership he has acted quickly and decisively when needed to. I believe all Political Parties should have high standards and since becoming Leader he has demonstrated his values consistently and decisively. I do like it that the only criticism of Starmer is that he was in Corbyn’s Cabinet and therefore has no principles and therefore Johnson is as good as it gets. The reinstatement of the Whip lies with Starmer and cannot see it happening, Starmer has said he has to be more contrite and one thing is sure he wants Corbyn gone and will not rest until he is. I have to politely disagree. I agree Starmer’s taking action on anti-semitism, which is certainly welcome. And I don’t underestimate the fight he has on his hands to rid the party of those deeply unpleasant hard Left elements that Corbyn empowered. Good luck to him on that one, he’ll need it. But Starmer has shown zero decisiveness over the trans rights/gender critical ‘debate’ currently raging in his party. Many gender critical feminists within the party say they are seeing women quitting membership in large numbers as the atmosphere is so toxic. Very few Labour MPs have stood with Rosie Duffield, and despite members (on both sides of the debate) begging the leadership to make a statement as to where they stand - answer came there none! I also don’t have much of a clue what the Labour party now stands for, or what it would aim to do if it got into power tomorrow. I see a lot of (sometimes justified) criticism of government, but very little ideas of alternatives.
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Post by vdcni on Nov 21, 2020 14:28:40 GMT
It's four years out from the next election. Has a opposition party ever set out what it intends to do that far out from an election.
It would seem particularly odd to do so right now when we're in the middle of a global pandemic when we don't know what the world is going to look like by the next election.
They're opposing and criticising the government for what its doing wrong, that's what opposition parties do.
Do we know what the goverment stands for right now other than handing over money to its mates and making it clear there's no consequences for wrongdoing and failure if you're part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 13:45:12 GMT
It's four years out from the next election. Has a opposition party ever set out what it intends to do that far out from an election. It would seem particularly odd to do so right now when we're in the middle of a global pandemic when we don't know what the world is going to look like by the next election. They're opposing and criticising the government for what its doing wrong, that's what opposition parties do. Do we know what the goverment stands for right now other than handing over money to its mates and making it clear there's no consequences for wrongdoing and failure if you're part of it. I’m not suggesting they lay out an election manifesto - just giving us a sense of some of their ideas would be good. The government has recently announced a green agenda and Sunak’s Spending Review plans are due to be announced next week, which have been heavily trailed as continuing the ‘levelling up’ promises to the north. Sunak’s also hinted at tax rises to come - and/or spending cuts - to balance the books once things calm down from covid. So I’m pretty clear on what the Tories stand for right now. But really Labour’s wishy-washy approach to standing for things was just a small part of my response above. Do I think the Conservatives should have taken a stronger stance on Patel? Probably. But I’m equally well aware that that’s politics - I’m not sure any party can claim to be squeaky clean on bullying, just as most schools and businesses couldn’t either!
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Post by vdcni on Nov 22, 2020 14:31:16 GMT
Well at the moment Labour to me stand for actual listening to scientific advice not bullsh*tting about it and stand against the rampant corruption in this goverment which is enough for me right now. A sensible opposition party doesn't give away too much this far out, why make it easy for the goverment.
The money announced towards the so called Green agenda was a pittance compared to other countries and it wasn't even all new money. As with most things from this goverment it's image not substance.
And if they were truly interested in leveling up the North it's odd that they couldn't be bothered to fully extend furlough until the South had to go into lockdown as well.
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Post by danb on Dec 6, 2020 21:24:09 GMT
Looking forward to the carefully orchestrated no-deal Brexit disaster hitting at the same time as the worst of peoples Corona poverty in the new year. It will all be made out to be France’s fault for being inflexible and not wanting to compromise and the uk getting a half decent deal. Not quite the ‘oven ready’ deal we had secured eh?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 12, 2021 10:00:06 GMT
Assuming BJ did cycle and wasn't driven. His journey to the Olympic Park (7 miles) is ok isn't it? A 14 mile journey is suitable for cyclist?
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Post by Mr Snow on Jan 12, 2021 10:52:09 GMT
Don't like Boris but trying to put that aside...
We know very little about this ride.
It is possible/likely that he was driven there and he was able to Cycle with his security detail in a traffic light free (think risk for him every time he stops) environment. As it happened I was riding in the other direction round St James, Hyde and Regent Parks and stopping is inevitable. This is no distance for a regular Cyclist and I had no idea I was "7 miles" from what felt very close to home. He's a man who rarely seems to follow through, so lets at least admit he's showing a good example by taking public exercise?
One benefit was for him to see how poor social distancing is in practice. I live close to the Olympic Park and Victoria Parks. Go see for yourselves the gatherings around the open cafe's or the Pub on the Park - getting your dog into the Park past this is almost impossible Sunday Lunchtime. Now that's a real problem. Love my coffee, am on first name terms with some local Barista's, but I just can't see that these shops are "essential" at this time.
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Post by The Matthew on Jan 12, 2021 10:53:57 GMT
A 14 mile journey is suitable for cyclist? I think so. People are just looking for reasons to complain. Personally I couldn't care less if he travels 100 miles. As long as he hasn't met anyone else along the way then there's no more risk than if he'd stayed at home.
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Post by vickyg on Jan 12, 2021 11:17:45 GMT
A 14 mile journey is suitable for cyclist? I think so. People are just looking for reasons to complain. Personally I couldn't care less if he travels 100 miles. As long as he hasn't met anyone else along the way then there's no more risk than if he'd stayed at home. Yes, a 14 mile round trip is not far but on the other hand I don’t think anyone could argue that Stratford is his ‘local area’. It’s not something I really care about for Boris, he’s done (and allowed) far worse, but I was considering travelling 6 miles to exercise with a friend and decided that this was too far as I would be outside my area.
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Post by vdcni on Jan 12, 2021 11:32:36 GMT
I think he's only got himself to blame with the muddle he's made of everything and after the Cummings incident last year but yes this is far down the list of reasons to have an issue with Boris Johnson.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 12, 2021 12:31:13 GMT
No real issue with the cycling in isolation.
The issue is he had a team of security staff, as a solo bike rider the number of people you interact with is neglible.
Security staff would most probably need to interact with people who may have tried to accost the PM and also these are people at work so are not in Johnson’s bubble and therefore this increases the interaction pool and the ripples of risk in the community.
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Post by candela on Jan 18, 2021 2:01:13 GMT
You had those 2 ladies, who went 5 miles out from there hometown for social distanced walk because where they lived was not suitable. Parked there cars 2 meters, had grabbed a coffee and was stopped and fined by police (even though it overturned later on) Then same day you got Boris on 7mile bike ride. Yesterday you got Matt Hancock doing this (on link below) www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9154677/Englands-streets-lie-deserted-amid-Covid-19-lockdown.htmlIf our own government don't follow there own guidelines, what hope do they have asking the nation to?
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Post by southstreet on Jan 18, 2021 11:02:25 GMT
What is wrong with Matt Hancock going out for some exercise with his son? I detest the man, don't get me wrong, but I cannot see anything wrong if he was out there with his son, who he presumably lives with anyway, but even if he doesn't, we are allowed 1:1 meetings for exercise outside.
I think what makes parks, etc. a lot busier this lockdown (and the November one) compared to last March, is that it's cold outside. So even the people that are lucky enough to have a garden (Oh how I wish I had one) will not sit in their gardens for some fresh air as it's too cold, so they will go to parks, etc. for walks to get out of the house for a bit, when they might not have bothered in March as they could just lounge in their gardens in the sun.
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Post by jojo on Jan 18, 2021 13:43:59 GMT
I've got to agree. As much as I dislike many (pretty much all) of the government, I find the attempts to make a story about of them going for a bit of exercise a massive distraction from the real issues.
I thought it was wrong for those women to be given fines for driving a short distance to what appeared to be a suitable place to walk that is by most standards, local to where they live. There may be an argument that Boris could have cycled around St James' park instead, but perhaps they decided that was a security risk, or that there was a chance he'd run over too many joggers or whatever.
This does feel like an extension of the twitchiness during the first lockdown when irresponsible parts of the media decided that paying photographers to take deliberately misleading photos of people spread out in parks was the best way to keep their readers frightened and therefore clicking on links.
It might feel justified to criticise Johnson for everything, but IMO, making a big deal out of a bike ride is letting him off the hook for all of the stuff that deserves condemnation. The same applies to employers who are not following proper protocols. How convenient for them to have the general public blaming socially distanced joggers for the spread of the virus so people aren't asking too many questions about what's happening in warehouses, call centres or building sites.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 18, 2021 16:25:50 GMT
It is all tier 2......sorry meant to type 2 tier.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 26, 2021 17:08:31 GMT
It's only Monday and what a terrible week for this adorable scamp...
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 27, 2021 11:49:41 GMT
It's only Monday and what a terrible week for this adorable scamp... Thoughts and prayers. I just hope that all the soft furnishings have arrived for his flat.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 27, 2021 12:04:58 GMT
I was thinking I hope Michael Gove has the same taste in soft furnishings...
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Post by theatreian on Apr 27, 2021 15:07:28 GMT
It shows what a dire state our political system is in as with all the negative publicity with Boris and co that Labour are still behind in the polls. ( Sir Keir certainly has his work cut out)
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 27, 2021 17:39:13 GMT
It shows what a dire state our political system is in as with all the negative publicity with Boris and co that Labour are still behind in the polls. ( Sir Keir certainly has his work cut out) Labour party finished now, don't get elected by being less worse. Only the Tory party change the prime minister
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Post by vdcni on Apr 27, 2021 21:12:06 GMT
How many polls have actually been conducted in the last week, particularly since the piles of bodies comment.
It's a bit too early to assume no effect.
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Post by david on Aug 7, 2021 18:21:04 GMT
Some fantastic trolling of the PM by the Sandhurst military band on his recent visit -
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 2, 2021 7:53:45 GMT
Johnson on the BBC yesterday
"I've given you the most important metric which is, never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes, look at wage growth."
WTF, not sure if it makes it worse but there is no wage growth only inflation.
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread but I find this disgusting and need to vent as this is abominable and needs to be seen and maybe someone can see another nuance that I cannot, sorry your mum died of a treatable cancer but not to worry at least you are earning more!
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Post by marob on Oct 2, 2021 11:14:31 GMT
It’s always been clear that they don’t give a s*** about the people they’re supposed to represent, he’s just being open about it. The sad thing is people will still vote for them next time.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 2, 2021 11:29:30 GMT
Actually, where the hell has he been? We are in a time of national crisis, shouldn't he be doing briefings on TV? Keeping us informed? I'm not complaining, I loathe and detest the man, but he really is failing at the bare bones of the job never mind the important stuff.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 8, 2021 10:08:17 GMT
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Post by marob on Nov 22, 2021 23:16:47 GMT
Just seen this. Wow. His days must be numbered if even the BBC is putting stuff like this out there now.
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