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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 16:17:30 GMT
Seeing all this discussion on Cummings flouting of lockdown, I am apoplectic. It's one rule for them, another for us. How can they expect us to follow their guidelines if they won't follow them? As I have children I think I would have done the same as him in the specific circumstances. I'm sorry, but why should it be one rule for you and one rule for everyone else? Children are not more important than any other people, no matter what their parents may think. There are plenty of others who need to be cared for as well, and emergency help that can be accessed in the area you live in if you have to. Family living elsewhere is no excuse. |
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Post by vdcni on May 23, 2020 16:19:54 GMT
In the specific circumstances of having family and friends in London who could have helped look after the children if it had been needed.
While then writing about it without a single mention of having travelled out of London.
Meanwhile cabinet ministers line up to claim that anyone can break isolation if they feel like it.
The moral bankruptcy of anyone defending the government over this is breathtaking.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 23, 2020 16:21:01 GMT
One more thing the title of this thread is appropriate for this discussion.
Today was the one day that Boris Johnson should have chaired the briefing and shown the leadership and integrity we expect from our Prime Minister, he is definitely on holiday..... again.
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Post by talkingheads on May 23, 2020 16:41:12 GMT
Seeing all this discussion on Cummings flouting of lockdown, I am apoplectic. It's one rule for them, another for us. How can they expect us to follow their guidelines if they won't follow them? As I have children I think I would have done the same as him in the specific circumstances. You mean trapping your children in a car for five hours with two infected parents, presumably infecting many more along the way, to deliver them to your vulnerable parents knowing that the children could give them the virus, and spreading it amongst the community? |
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Post by Jan on May 23, 2020 16:44:08 GMT
As I have children I think I would have done the same as him in the specific circumstances. I'm sorry, but why should it be one rule for you and one rule for everyone else? Children are not more important than any other people, no matter what their parents may think. There are plenty of others who need to be cared for as well, and emergency help that can be accessed in the area you live in if you have to. Family living elsewhere is no excuse. You plainly don't have children. |
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Post by Jan on May 23, 2020 16:45:10 GMT
As I have children I think I would have done the same as him in the specific circumstances. You mean trapping your children in a car for five hours with two infected parents, presumably infecting many more along the way, to deliver them to your vulnerable parents knowing that the children could give them the virus, and spreading it amongst the community? No, I wouldn't deliver them to my vulnerable parents, neither did he. If he "infected many more along the way" by stopping. I'd agree with you, but it isn't clear he did. Maybe we'll find out. |
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Post by Jan on May 23, 2020 16:47:10 GMT
In the specific circumstances of having family and friends in London who could have helped look after the children if it had been needed. If it was me I'd choose the *best* people to look after my four-year-old, not the *closest* people. And not my local authority either, it goes without saying. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 23, 2020 16:48:45 GMT
God, he must really hate his wife’s sister.
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 23, 2020 16:50:34 GMT
The papers have had this story for weeks.
Why wait until today?
That is something they have yet to address.
And the PM is not on holiday. Parliament is in recess. As is normal.
When did so many people lose their ability to think?
This is all bad enough without the media and online world exploding into anger at things that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things
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Post by vdcni on May 23, 2020 16:54:17 GMT
The closest people in London included his wives siblings.
I obviously missed that part of the child care manual that says trapping your child in a car for hours with someone with a highly infectious disease is better than organising help closer to home if you needed it and there is no evidence that they actually did.
This implication that the many people who struggled to cope at home in this situation and who didn't break the rules actually don't care at all about their children makes the whole defence even worse. Don't you have something better to do than repeat every government line.
They clearly knew they had done wrong at the time hence why his wife lied that they had been locked down in London when she wrote that article about their experience.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 23, 2020 16:56:19 GMT
Believe they were waiting for police confirmation as the report by a neighbour could be easily dismissed, the story in the Spectator was most probably written in defence of a potential sighting.
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Post by Jan on May 23, 2020 17:02:58 GMT
God, he must really hate his wife’s sister. You don't have to hate someone to think someone else would be better at looking after a four-year-old - distance isn't the criteria you'd use. |
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Post by Jan on May 23, 2020 17:07:17 GMT
Don't you have something better to do than repeat every government line. I'm just saying, as a parent, I would have done the same. You're saying you wouldn't. Nothing to do with the government line. Just by the way I was also not bothered at all about Stephen Kinnock either. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 23, 2020 17:14:25 GMT
When caring for your child and not wanting them to get ill which would be the best way forward
Isolating in a large home whilst anyone with Covid-19 were kept apart in a separate part of the house knowing there were friends and family nearby if things deteriorated.
Driving in a confined car for 4-5hrs
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Post by adolphus on May 23, 2020 17:14:32 GMT
If nothing else, Cummings behaviour will make it easier for people to justify their own breaches of lockdown rules. I imagine the police will have this flung back in their faces a lot as they try to monitor social distancing this weekend and going forward. Johnson and the Cabinet members who've tweeted their support are actually undermining any future guidelines they expect the public to act on.
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Post by vdcni on May 23, 2020 17:24:59 GMT
Exactly.
The government's response has made this worse and increased the anger.
Rather than say he shouldn't have broken guidelines but we do not think he should resign and tried to hold the line there they've actively undermined the entire lockdown policy.
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Post by londonpostie on May 23, 2020 17:34:05 GMT
I'm glad more people are understanding the Etonian-led contempt for the Servant Class but I do see this a little differently. I suspect Cummings decision was rooted in entitlement that comes from a second home respite, albeit in the grounds of his family home. This feels like a decision any parent with serious wealth would choose, in fact Johnson's own father made a bolt for Somerset as soon as the doctors announced Johnson would come out of ICU. This is how wealth and privilege works, all the time. The general public just doesn't see it.
Fwiw, I was suspicious when Endgame finished a little prematurely, knowing both the leads lived in New York and the restrictions were anticipated soon. Struck me, Daniel Radcliffe had made more than enough from Potter to hire a private jet and make a last-minute bolt for it (and throw Alan Cumming in the back). This is how it works.
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Post by vdcni on May 23, 2020 17:45:27 GMT
I mean that's obvious isn't it. That's why people are angry, he clearly didn't need to go all that way but they wanted to and they thought they were above the rules.
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Post by londonpostie on May 23, 2020 17:52:19 GMT
They believe they are. Sincerely believe the rules are for the Servant class. It's a reminder how rigged the game is.
For example, we have entire sections of law - passed in Parliament - that exclude what is clearly and obviously white-collar financial crime.
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Post by fluxcapacitor on May 23, 2020 17:55:23 GMT
If nothing else, Cummings behaviour will make it easier for people to justify their own breaches of lockdown rules. I imagine the police will have this flung back in their faces a lot as they try to monitor social distancing this weekend and going forward. Johnson and the Cabinet members who've tweeted their support are actually undermining any future guidelines they expect the public to act on. This is my biggest issue with it. Forget the minutiae of where he was, why, who with and for how long - the back peddling to try and justify it from government officials, coupled with them now so flippantly saying things are "up for interpretation" has made it very difficult to police, and this bank holiday weekend is going to see people really pushing their luck... and there's nothing that the government can say without coming across like hypocrites. It's all open to interpretation. |
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Post by theatremadness on May 23, 2020 18:03:52 GMT
Staunch Tory supporters baffle me. Are they seriously so brainwashed that they believe this government is doing a good job? Or are they too stubborn to admit what a disaster this has been from start to finish so are just keeping up appearances? How far does this government have to go before even their most loyal supporters can't defend them anymore? I feel like we currently live in a totalitarian state. The government does whatever they want whenever they want and there are precisely 0% consequences every single time. And we just have to accept it and move on.
Obviously a myriad of tweets on the subject but this struck a chord
Followed by Boris' own words, maybe? And don't come back with “well he never left his child with relatives”. So WHY the 250 mile trip?!?!
And so this was a lie?? On top of accusing the Durham Police...
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Post by londonpostie on May 23, 2020 18:10:38 GMT
Johnson isn't in office as a conventional PM, he's there for one job only. The whole game is Brexit. Literally a single issue Parliament.
In a sense it doesn't matter if Cummings goes, he's the only person who can deliver and so he'd do exactly the same from off stage, it's just easier if he can wear a lanyard and waltz around.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 23, 2020 18:12:49 GMT
Johnson isn't in office as a conventional PM, he's there for one job only. The whole game is Brexit. Literally a single issue Parliament.
In a sense it doesn't matter if Cummings goes, he's the only person who can deliver and so he'd do exactly the same from off stage.
He isn't Oops sorry, you were saying he thinks he is? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 23, 2020 18:14:47 GMT
Obviously a myriad of tweets on the subject but this struck a chord Followed by Boris' own words, maybe? And don't come back with “well he never left his child with relatives”. So WHY the 250 mile trip?!?! And so this was a lie?? On top of accusing the Durham Police... Ooh that is good |
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Post by theatremadness on May 23, 2020 18:19:18 GMT
These were the supposed official rules. Not followed by Dominic Cummings yet seemingly the goalposts were changed for him today.
A timeline which may also be helpful. Sorry that it's a pic from the DM but no link, at least. They were spotted on April 5th, March 30th-April 6th was the period that Mary Wakefield wrote about in the Spectator, April 25th. Very much seems to imply they were in London. If you're documenting it, why not talk about moving to Durham?
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