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Post by Jon on Aug 18, 2017 19:30:36 GMT
Lily James would be good for Betty.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:40:32 GMT
Anyone else wanna see Meryl Streep have a crack at Norma?? I wanna see Meryl Streep do all the roles... in EVERYTHING!
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Post by d'James on Aug 18, 2017 20:11:02 GMT
Anyone else wanna see Meryl Streep have a crack at Norma?? Really not.
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Post by carmella1 on Aug 18, 2017 22:56:00 GMT
Theatre people are riding the Broadway/London wave with this. Glenn Close cannot sell a movie on her own. What comes across as a brilliant performance on the stage may not transfer as well to the screen. I know everyone raves about her, but she really cannot sing. Never could. Off the top of your head, aside from Fatal Attraction, name one movie of hers. You are comparing her selling power to those of Disney movie and the charasmatic pairing of Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone. Glenn in the movie would need a very strong supporting cast. With recognizeable names. And a strong Joe who can sing and act.
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Post by d'James on Aug 19, 2017 0:05:40 GMT
Theatre people are riding the Broadway/London wave with this. Glenn Close cannot sell a movie on her own. What comes across as a brilliant performance on the stage may not transfer as well to the screen. I know everyone raves about her, but she really cannot sing. Never could. Off the top of your head, aside from Fatal Attraction, name one movie of hers. You are comparing her selling power to those of Disney movie and the charasmatic pairing of Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone. Glenn in the movie would need a very strong supporting cast. With recognizeable names. And a strong Joe who can sing and act. I think you're being unnecessarily harsh on her. Her singing is always up for debate on here but she's certainly good enough to sing the songs from Sunset. She has a very varied filmography and yes I can certainly name more than one, even before I became a fan after seeing her last year. I agree, her name is probably not big enough to sell a film but with the right promotion using her, the name of the show/film and Andrew Lloyd Webber, I think it could sell well. That's not to say there not plenty of names out there who could fill up the cast. As with all musical films I'd rather they went for suitability over name, but one person's trash is another one's treasure and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 9:51:01 GMT
I know this is a tired merry go round (and I'm in the monitory) but please no to Glenn in the film - her voice is WEAK and on the LA CD really unremarkable to listen to. Yes, I know in the flesh she can act the hell out of it but it's a MUSICAL and needs a SINGER.
She's also too old. Though if we are going with Nunn's Normas, Betty Buckley, EP or showbiz's most unlikely reconciliation (that'll never happen) between ALW and Patti would be better.
But please, cast someone new. Fair enough if they wanna film Close in the ENO version but the feature film needs to be epic and perfect for this incredible musical.
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Post by anthony40 on Aug 19, 2017 10:12:48 GMT
The feature film needs to be epic and perfect for this incredible musical. Totally. Out of sheer respect for the original set design and the original film as well.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 19, 2017 10:38:29 GMT
I know this is a tired merry go round (and I'm in the monitory) but please no to Glenn in the film - her voice is WEAK and on the LA CD really unremarkable to listen to. Yes, I know in the flesh she can act the hell out of it but it's a MUSICAL and needs a SINGER. She's also too old. Though if we are going with Nunn's Normas, Betty Buckley, EP or showbiz's most unlikely reconciliation (that'll never happen) between ALW and Patti would be better. But please, cast someone new. Fair enough if they wanna film Close in the ENO version but the feature film needs to be epic and perfect for this incredible musical. Well it's not going to be Elaine, Betty or Patti in a million years so if it isn't Glenn then who? I think, given what happened with Phantom, the last thing they would want to do is go with something new/different. No. It HAS to be Glenn. She'll act the hell out of it and they'll make her sound incredible.
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Post by poster J on Aug 19, 2017 12:03:02 GMT
I know this is a tired merry go round (and I'm in the monitory) but please no to Glenn in the film - her voice is WEAK and on the LA CD really unremarkable to listen to. Yes, I know in the flesh she can act the hell out of it but it's a MUSICAL and needs a SINGER. She's also too old. Though if we are going with Nunn's Normas, Betty Buckley, EP or showbiz's most unlikely reconciliation (that'll never happen) between ALW and Patti would be better. But please, cast someone new. Fair enough if they wanna film Close in the ENO version but the feature film needs to be epic and perfect for this incredible musical. You're forgetting a film isn't live theatre. If they need to autotune her or dub her, they can. For a film version it's far more important to have an amazing actress, and from that perspective, in this role, it can only be Glenn.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 12:22:59 GMT
Theatre people are riding the Broadway/London wave with this. Glenn Close cannot sell a movie on her own. What comes across as a brilliant performance on the stage may not transfer as well to the screen. I know everyone raves about her, but she really cannot sing. Never could. Off the top of your head, aside from Fatal Attraction, name one movie of hers. You are comparing her selling power to those of Disney movie and the charasmatic pairing of Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone. Glenn in the movie would need a very strong supporting cast. With recognizeable names. And a strong Joe who can sing and act. She has been nominated for five Oscars, and several Golden Globes, Emmys and Tonys. Off the top of my head The Big Chill, 101 Dalmations, Fatal Attraction, Dangerous Liasons and Albert Nobbs are fantastic films in which she is giving fantastic performances. As well as her show Damages which was on for however long. As well as that, her voice may not be the best singing voice, but matched with the character and performance, I completely buy it. On her selling power, they may need a male of equal stature as hers to play Joe, but otherwise they'll be fine.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 19, 2017 13:02:45 GMT
I don't agree. Glenn Close is a fine fine actress, and well regarded. But box office material, she isn't. This can do okay in the art cinemas, but it can't be a big Hollywood blockbuster.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 13:09:15 GMT
How did the original movie do at the box office? I know it was critically acclaimed, especially Gloria in the lead, but did it do well in the box office?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 19, 2017 13:16:55 GMT
I don't agree. Glenn Close is a fine fine actress, and well regarded. But box office material, she isn't. This can do okay in the art cinemas, but it can't be a big Hollywood blockbuster. Who would you cast for box office ali973?
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Post by ali973 on Aug 19, 2017 13:42:08 GMT
I honestly don't care, and I'm not saying this in a bitchy or dismissive way at all.
Sunset Boulevard is my favorite musical, and has been since 1992 when I saw the Nunn version several times. Traveled back and forth to see it at the ENO, and was lucky to see it again on Broadway. But I'm just not that into movie musicals that have been made since the golden age of movie musicals. I suppose some of them worked (I'm in the monitory, but I think they did a good job with Dreamgirls). I just have difficulty sitting through a movie where they just randomly burst into song. It's a different case in the theatre.
The reality is, no one but Meryl Streep has the name recognition and ability to pull this off. In both Streep's and Close's case, they are a bit older than how old the character needs to be. So, I really don't know. It's evident that if this were to be made, it'll be Glenn Close's, so there's no point in playing casting fantasies. I think Jake Gyllenhal could do a fine Joe and also attract an audience.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 13:50:02 GMT
If it doesn't get Glenn her first Oscar, it could get Meryl her fourth!
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Post by jgblunners on Aug 19, 2017 13:56:22 GMT
Anna Kendrick as Betty would probably bring in an audience that wouldn't instinctively flock to the film. Actually, Close/Gyllenhaal/Kendrick is casting I'd be very happy with.
Edit: on second thought, Anna Kendrick probably isn't a big enough name. Oh well. You'd probably need an actress of Emma Stone/Amy Adams levels of fame, both of whom have demonstrated that they can sing to a pretty decent level.
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Post by d'James on Aug 19, 2017 16:31:05 GMT
How old is Max meant to be? For some reason I'm seeing Frank Langella in the role.
Jake Gyllenhaal is a good call, I was imagining Ryan Gosling because my brain isn't functioning very well today haha. What about Luke Evans?
For Betty, no one's coming to mind but then I didn't really care about the character when I saw the show.
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Post by jgblunners on Aug 19, 2017 16:37:19 GMT
Ooh that is a very good shout. He was the surprise stand-out from Beauty and the Beast for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 17:50:58 GMT
I'm so over Meryl Streep being in everything. Sunset Blvd id never going to be a huge box office smash, regardless of who you cast in the lead.
I'd much rather see Glenn Close than Meryl Streep.
Luke Evans is a great call as Joe. He definitely has the singing chops for it.
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Post by Dave25 on Aug 19, 2017 19:24:37 GMT
You'd probably need an actress of Emma Stone/Amy Adams levels of fame, both of whom have demonstrated that they can sing to a pretty decent level. While I love both actresses, I think this score demands a whole different level of singing. "Too much in love to care" is a very difficult composition to sing. I don't think I will be able to stand another one of those "speak/moan 4 words and hold the 5th with a shaky vibrato because that makes it so totally raw and real" again. Les Mis was an action movie to me. One big fight of actors struggling with notes. They never reached the stage of acting. Especially not through song.
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Post by jgblunners on Aug 19, 2017 19:55:58 GMT
I agree, Dave25, we've seen time and time again that people are willing to sacrifice the quality of musical performance in order to make big bucks. I guess we just have to hope that whoever ends up calling the shots for this film (if it even happens) does their best to preserve the beauty of this score.
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Post by poster J on Aug 19, 2017 22:52:32 GMT
Anna Kendrick as Betty would probably bring in an audience that wouldn't instinctively flock to the film. Actually, Close/Gyllenhaal/Kendrick is casting I'd be very happy with. Edit: on second thought, Anna Kendrick probably isn't a big enough name. Oh well. You'd probably need an actress of Emma Stone/Amy Adams levels of fame, both of whom have demonstrated that they can sing to a pretty decent level. Kendrick was the first name I thought of as Betty. She's a big enough name for a movie like this - everyone seems to be dream-casting this on the assumption this is going to be the biggest, most high-profile movie musical ever made, when I don't think there's anything to suggest it will be anywhere near as high profile as Les Mis, for example. If you assume they will pay the bucks for the biggest of names, then Streep and Stone might be a possibility. I suspect Close and Kendrick is much closer to the level they will actually get though.
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Post by d'James on Aug 19, 2017 22:59:28 GMT
Ooh that is a very good shout. He was the surprise stand-out from Beauty and the Beast for me. I'm so over Meryl Streep being in everything. Sunset Blvd id never going to be a huge box office smash, regardless of who you cast in the lead. I'd much rather see Glenn Close than Meryl Streep. Luke Evans is a great call as Joe. He definitely has the singing chops for it. Also, for reference, he looks very good in a pair of swimming trunks:
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Post by jgblunners on Aug 19, 2017 23:36:30 GMT
Also, for reference, he looks very good in a pair of swimming trunks:
oh my ...what were we talking about again?
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Post by Jon on Aug 20, 2017 0:11:08 GMT
Luke Evans would be great but I don't think they could sell it with him. I think they're more likely to go with Jake Gyllenhaal.
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Post by Dave25 on Aug 20, 2017 0:13:07 GMT
I know many people are not fond of her, but I think Lea Michele would make a great Betty. She looks the part, she could pass for the naive, enthusiastic writer, she can play clever and confident, deliver jokes and witty and sharp lines, she has the right poise and can deliver the sincerity the part needs in my opinion. Wholesome, yet witty. But most of all I think she can play the interaction with Joe very well, with the balance between the flirting and the serious side and the dramatic scene with Norma too (on the phone) and she has a terrific singing voice, Betty's songs are not easy. I couldn't come up with better names at the moment (except for a few unknowns). And yes, she is a fairly well known tv name.
The actor playing Joe needs a certain kind of poise, feel as well, and while I agree they need at least someone of Luke Evan's singing calibre, I doubt he is the right type. Maybe Jeremy Jordan? Of the bigger names I don't think anyone can sing the part.
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Post by Jon on Aug 20, 2017 1:06:08 GMT
Anne Hathaway could work as Betty or perhaps Michelle Williams.
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Post by carmella1 on Aug 20, 2017 3:13:35 GMT
No Anne Hathaway!!!!!!!!!
I have listened to Jake's voice on YT. Nothing special. But at least he could play dissoute down on his luck. Not really a Luke Evans part. But its one thing for a 30 year age difference on stage and another with film. Unless they film the entire role through a filter.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Aug 20, 2017 5:08:04 GMT
Betty is an underwritten thankless role, I find it hard to imagine any of those ladies wanting to play it.
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Post by distantcousin on Aug 20, 2017 9:31:02 GMT
Let's bear in mind Miss Schaefer is only supposed to be 22 - are we ageing her up with everyone else too?
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