2,496 posts
|
Post by zahidf on Jun 4, 2020 11:09:52 GMT
Page not found. Any idea what its basis with before they realised it was public They will be resubmitting in a few days, wanted to change a couple of things. Basically handwashing and temperature checks, and 200k tests a day happening allowing theatres and gigs to reopen. |
|
2,496 posts
|
Post by zahidf on Jun 4, 2020 11:13:57 GMT
According to some, for example, Allison Pearson of the Telegraph, the virus has upped and gone in London. The PPE etc not needed, distancing even, not needed. I tend to agree but it is a rather controversial opinion. The problem is 1. If one person in a theatre setting on stage or in front becomes infected from an asymptomatic, we are screwed for yonks and 2. Other bugs will come and get us in the Autumn and we can’t get the theatres up and running ‘normally ‘ before that time so we can’t prove it is ok. One sneeze and off we go again or rather IN we go again. Lol, if Allison Pearson said it... Yeah, pearson isnt a scientist and is an ideologue who said she is ok with people breaking lockdown |
|
2,496 posts
|
Post by zahidf on Jun 4, 2020 12:05:49 GMT
|
|
2,496 posts
|
Post by zahidf on Jun 5, 2020 10:10:21 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 14:27:33 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by talkingheads on Jun 6, 2020 14:42:27 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by baguette on Jun 6, 2020 15:00:24 GMT
400 tickets to be sold in a 1,400 seat venue. Good for them for putting up a model but that's not sustainable. They are smart to sell the tickets on an unreserved basis so they can sell more if the physical distancing requirement changes. Theatres are technically open in France (outside Paris) but there have only been a handful of token performances so far. There is far more published detail around the guidelines for cinema (opening at the end of June) than for the theatres. Here is the meaty cinema audience bit: Limiter l’occupation de chaque salle à 50 % de sa capacité théorique et garantir une place vacante de part et d’autre de chaque spectateur. Néanmoins, les personnes arrivant ensemble (couple,
famille…) pourront s’assoir côte à côte, en maintenant une place vacante de part et d’autre. Cette limite pourra évoluer en fonction de l’évolution des règles sanitaires applicablesRoughly meaning this: 50% capacity cap overall and one seat kept empty either side of each booking group. The limit could change in the future as the health guidelines evolve. I haven't seen the '50% capacity cap' bit in the theatre guidelines but have heard that it's likely to be the starting point as a temporary measure. The guidelines are published here www.culture.gouv.fr/Aides-demarches/Covid-19-le-ministere-informe-les-professionnels/Deconfinement-aide-pour-la-reprise-d-activite-et-la-reouverture-au-publicNote: France works to 1m social distancing in line with WHO advice. |
|
19,782 posts
|
Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 6, 2020 17:03:07 GMT
Tamzin Outhwaite was on TalkRADIO this morning saying that the cast of The Seagull at the Playhouse had been given a date to go back into rehearsal with a view to reopening in September. Host asked her if it was with social distancing but she didn’t know the details.
|
|
2,409 posts
|
Post by theatreian on Jun 7, 2020 11:39:52 GMT
Sam Mendes was on the Andrew Marr show this morning. He referred to an article he wrote for the FT this week. He has had some contact with government and he seemed hopeful that help would be forthcoming.
I can't put a link to the article but you may be able to read it yourself as I have done. When I put a link in it just led to subscriptions.
|
|
2,409 posts
|
Post by theatreian on Jun 8, 2020 11:07:02 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by baguette on Jun 9, 2020 10:01:21 GMT
I'd recommend watching this if you can spare the time. Detailed and thoughtful - Julian Bird is giving a good summary of the financial and creative picture and it's pretty bleak. On social distancing: With 2m spacing: Gives an average capacity of 20%. That varies according to the age of the building, from 12/13% - 26/27% With 1m spacing: Most of the estimates show 30-35% capacity, which is nowhere near the 60-65% needed to be viable. The main reason 1m gives such a low capacity is that in a fixed seating theatre, their studies show they need to leave every other row empty to achieve 1m social distancing, so you immediately go below 50% and then empty seats to space the household groupings drops the number further. He points out that modelling has consistently given that picture (1m = 30-35%). Julian said that 1m social distancing renders pretty much all venues uneconomic. The conversation then turns to financial schemes and subsidies to survive until social distancing in venues 'is no longer needed' based on very low levels of circulating COVID. Julian cited Austria, New Zealand and Australia as examples. (As far as I can see, France isn't requiring its cinemas to leave every other row empty when they reopen on 22 June but they do have a capacity cap of 50%) |
|
|
|
Post by baguette on Jun 9, 2020 11:01:30 GMT
From today's Times (£), a discussion about bridging the gap using paid-for streams of live performances. Some interesting points www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/theatre-on-screen-is-panned-by-the-actors-d6gnpkf5v'The Old Vic is planning socially distanced performances of Lungs, the climate crisis drama with Claire Foy and Matt Smith first staged last year. They will perform in an empty venue but 1,000 people a night will be charged up to £65 to stream the production at home'.I had heard about UK cinemas aiming to open from 4 July but hadn't heard about theatres until I saw this sentence. 'Theatres and cinemas may be permitted to reopen from July 4 with stringent safety rules. However,(David) Tennant warned that it was unrealistic to expect audiences to return in large numbers until the virus threat had passed. “You’re asking people to pay a lot of money to potentially have someone coughing into their packet of boiled sweets and infecting them,” he said. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 11:29:46 GMT
There have been a few occasions when I've been to the cinema on a Sunday morning where the closest person to me has been outside. That's distancing.
|
|
1,127 posts
|
Post by samuelwhiskers on Jun 9, 2020 14:06:09 GMT
My local cinema does (or used to do) regular showings that started at midnight.
Going to the cinema at midnight on a Tuesday is an excellent example of social distancing, though possibly not a great example of a healthy or profitable life.
|
|
8,157 posts
|
Post by alece10 on Jun 9, 2020 15:24:59 GMT
From today's Times (£), a discussion about bridging the gap using paid-for streams of live performances. Some interesting points www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/theatre-on-screen-is-panned-by-the-actors-d6gnpkf5v'The Old Vic is planning socially distanced performances of Lungs, the climate crisis drama with Claire Foy and Matt Smith first staged last year. They will perform in an empty venue but 1,000 people a night will be charged up to £65 to stream the production at home'.I had heard about UK cinemas aiming to open from 4 July but hadn't heard about theatres until I saw this sentence. 'Theatres and cinemas may be permitted to reopen from July 4 with stringent safety rules. However,(David) Tennant warned that it was unrealistic to expect audiences to return in large numbers until the virus threat had passed. “You’re asking people to pay a lot of money to potentially have someone coughing into their packet of boiled sweets and infecting them,” he said.I wish them all the luck on the world but are people really going to fork out £65 to watch a live stream on their laptop? Well certainly not in the circles I mix with. Well in reality that's just me and my best friend. |
|
8,157 posts
|
Post by alece10 on Jun 9, 2020 15:26:29 GMT
There have been a few occasions when I've been to the cinema on a Sunday morning where the closest person to me has been outside. That's distancing. I seldom go to the cinema but when I do it's in the morning and I'm usually the only person there. That's probably more to do with my taste in films than anything else. |
|
|
|
Post by baguette on Jun 10, 2020 10:29:26 GMT
From today's Times (£), a discussion about bridging the gap using paid-for streams of live performances. Some interesting points www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/theatre-on-screen-is-panned-by-the-actors-d6gnpkf5v'The Old Vic is planning socially distanced performances of Lungs, the climate crisis drama with Claire Foy and Matt Smith first staged last year. They will perform in an empty venue but 1,000 people a night will be charged up to £65 to stream the production at home'.I had heard about UK cinemas aiming to open from 4 July but hadn't heard about theatres until I saw this sentence. 'Theatres and cinemas may be permitted to reopen from July 4 with stringent safety rules. However,(David) Tennant warned that it was unrealistic to expect audiences to return in large numbers until the virus threat had passed. “You’re asking people to pay a lot of money to potentially have someone coughing into their packet of boiled sweets and infecting them,” he said.I wish them all the luck on the world but are people really going to fork out £65 to watch a live stream on their laptop? Well certainly not in the circles I mix with. Well in reality that's just me and my best friend. I really, really can't see it. Particularly after the theatre industry has spent lockdown setting an expectation that live streaming of quality theatre can be offered for free. So the Vienna State Opera is open again and offering music recitals. Two productions this week with a paying audience and a (free) live stream, which I watched. Pretty bare staging and just a piano accompanying the singers. Tickets were around 100 euro and sold out pretty much immediately. Austria limits live audiences to 100 (from end of May), moving to 250 from 1 July, 500 by 1 August and provisionally are planning full audiences by September. Looking at their seating model, they didn't leave rows empty, had two empty seats between booking groups, and left the front two rows empty. No mask wearing during the performance but I read that masks were required going in and out of the venue. today.rtl.lu/entertainment/news/a/1531519.htmlThe European model seems to be to set guidelines, allow venues to open with limits then fairly quickly increase the audience limits all being well. They are using the State-supported theatres to pave the way. Why isn't the ROH or NT pushing to open here on the same basis? |
|
2,496 posts
|
Post by zahidf on Jun 10, 2020 11:05:23 GMT
Regarding lungs, 5740 in the queue at the moment and an hour wait to get through. So certainly some demand!
|
|
2,496 posts
|
Post by zahidf on Jun 10, 2020 11:31:52 GMT
|
|
4,179 posts
|
Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 10, 2020 11:35:00 GMT
Well no other country seems to think reducing it to one metre is "too soon" given it was never that in the first place. WHO have made clear that 1m is safe the whole time. All this out cry from opposition politicians and members of the public acting like it's dangerous and playing with peoples lives is absurd and quite clearly only political.
|
|
2,409 posts
|
Post by theatreian on Jun 10, 2020 11:40:00 GMT
Let's hope some plan will emerge for the Arts soon.
|
|
4,179 posts
|
Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 10, 2020 12:12:13 GMT
Though Julian Bird seemed to make it clear yesterday no theatres think a 1m rule would be financially viable to operate with either, so i'm not sure what difference it makes in the context of Theatre.
|
|
|
|
Post by clair on Jun 10, 2020 12:35:49 GMT
Surely it depends on the theatre, I do wonder if this is where Charing Cross Theatre can come into it's own as it's a flexible space and from all the shows I've seen there (many absolutely great ones which deserved a far better audience) they have a core audience who are used to socially distanced seating with far fewer people than the capacity. It's the more traditional setups with fixed seating that will struggle more
|
|
|
|
Post by baguette on Jun 10, 2020 13:09:21 GMT
Though Julian Bird seemed to make it clear yesterday no theatres think a 1m rule would be financially viable to operate with either, so i'm not sure what difference it makes in the context of Theatre. I was really surprised that they weren't pushing back more on that aspect yesterday. France has followed WHO 1m guidelines throughout, came out of lockdown gradually on 2 May and pretty fully on 22 May and COVID numbers are still dropping. So the UK can look at 66 million French people and take a view on whether 1m is workable. The Government guidelines for French cinemas have applied the 1m rule to mean one seat empty either side of a booking group, but not every other row empty (theatre guidelines aren't as clear). Julian Bird said 1m rule doesn't work because it starts with every other row empty. Is the French cinema guideline reasonable? I squinted at the Vienna State Opera live streams this week and they were seating in every row as well. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 13:18:33 GMT
Surely it depends on the theatre, I do wonder if this is where Charing Cross Theatre can come into it's own as it's a flexible space and from all the shows I've seen there (many absolutely great ones which deserved a far better audience) they have a core audience who are used to socially distanced seating with far fewer people than the capacity. It's the more traditional setups with fixed seating that will struggle more I have only ever sat in socially distanced formation at the Charing Cross lol - their business model clearly accounts for it. They could open there now! |
|
