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Post by Rory on Jul 5, 2020 22:33:02 GMT
This funding announcement is great news and long overdue. It's early days but the industry seems to be very positive, so fingers crossed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 22:43:35 GMT
That doesn't make much sense. Across Europe companies are being paid so that they can run with much reduced houses without making losses. Why would they not want a theatre to open? If the pubs can open on safety grounds what's the reasoning on theatres?
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 5, 2020 23:01:27 GMT
That doesn't make much sense. Across Europe companies are being paid so that they can run with much reduced houses without making losses. Why would they not want a theatre to open? If the pubs can open on safety grounds what's the reasoning on theatres? I suppose if there was an outbreak in a cast or backstage then that's it. The whole production shut down, who will be willing to risk it so soon?
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Post by xanady on Jul 5, 2020 23:11:27 GMT
Let’s remember that the 1.5 billion money INCLUDES- hundreds of heritage sites independent cinemas music venues art galleries and museums ....so it is not all for theatres.
The French pledged 6-7 times as much to their Arts industry according to Twitter......Will reserve judgement until I see how the pie is divided up.
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Post by crowblack on Jul 5, 2020 23:17:47 GMT
Will reserve judgement until I see how the pie is divided up. And which areas get it - hopefully it'll be spread around and not just go to the theatres/cinemas/etc. in central London/middle class/high property value areas.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 5, 2020 23:21:00 GMT
Can’t this government announce anything, without leaking it first.
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Post by zahidf on Jul 5, 2020 23:34:03 GMT
Will reserve judgement until I see how the pie is divided up. And which areas get it - hopefully it'll be spread around and not just go to the theatres/cinemas/etc. in central London/middle class/high property value areas. I think the regions have specific allocations?
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Post by zahidf on Jul 5, 2020 23:34:38 GMT
Can’t this government announce anything, without leaking it first. Tbf, George Osborne and the FT broke and embargo. Wasn't leaked.
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Post by Jon on Jul 5, 2020 23:37:40 GMT
Let’s remember that the 1.5 billion money INCLUDES- hundreds of heritage sites independent cinemas music venues art galleries and museums ....so it is not all for theatres. The French pledged 6-7 times as much to their Arts industry according to Twitter.... Will reserve judgement until I see how the pie is divided up. TBF it's on par with with Germany which pledged €1bn for their cultural sectors.
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Post by xanady on Jul 5, 2020 23:56:30 GMT
^Jon,a friend of mine saw your comment and pointed me to artnet.com who reported that the figure for the German govts pledge to support businesses predominantly with emphasis on culture,creative industries and media was actually a staggering 50 Billion Euro’s....now that’s what I call a real whopping wedge of money! lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 0:56:13 GMT
Let’s remember that the 1.5 billion money INCLUDES- hundreds of heritage sites independent cinemas music venues art galleries and museums ....so it is not all for theatres. The French pledged 6-7 times as much to their Arts industry according to Twitter.... Will reserve judgement until I see how the pie is divided up. TBF it's on par with with Germany which pledged €1bn for their cultural sectors. That’s Federal Government, Germany has greater decentralisation, so that doesn’t take into account regional governments. They also put more money into the arts as a matter of course, so the base is higher. Berlin, for example, gave individual freelancers (not just arts) 5000 Euros each in March and they had the money in their bank accounts in days.
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Post by viserys on Jul 6, 2020 5:25:21 GMT
Berlin, for example, gave individual freelancers (not just arts) 5000 Euros each in March and they had the money in their bank accounts in days. That was ONLY in the city-state of Berlin - everywhere else freelancers were screwed. Berlin has always been great at spending other people's money. The state governments living firmly in 20th century allocated 9000 Euro over a period of three months for freelancers who lost their income but the money was ONLY to be spend on rent for office rooms, staff and similar, NOT for personal expenses like rent and food. Despite the fact that so many freelancers these days work from home and have neither office nor staff, only a laptop or a music instrument or whatever. So millions missed out on the help and at the same time it became obvious that criminal clans had been able to sneak in there, to grab thousands of Euro of help unchecked, which has now disappeared. The "arts" that are supported here, are also as usual the pampered state-subsidized theatres that have been playing for an elitist target group with their Regietheater nonsense for decades. Privately funded theatres, including the big musical theatres, get NOTHING. So you can soon watch another deconstructed Shakespeare again or a socially distanced heady play with three nude performers musing over the state of the world, but if you want to see a musical with beautiful costumes, songs and distraction from the miseries of the real world, you can forget about that. So not all that wonderful here.
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Post by duncan on Jul 6, 2020 6:12:41 GMT
The big thing that has come out of this is, where the hell is the creativity? We've been in lockdown for almost 4 months and yet we've got, what, The Old Vic and Six attempting to put performances on via different methods. Where the hell is Theatre at this time? Why isn't it leading with different ways of putting on paying performances? Its a creative industry so get creative. Bizarrely 2020 has shown that most theatres view new performances and staging's via the prism of 1920 and they've been caught out with a funding model that hasn't evolved at all over the last century. There have been plenty of online concerts and a few theatre productions if you have looked for them. But all of that takes resources and equipment which many performers won't have lying around at home and are not going to be able to afford given they don't know when they are going to have steady work again. Don't be so quick to judge. Again the answer is be creative - write a Zoom play for Dench etc. Its not quick to judge, its wondering why theatre has been so slow to react. Sitting back and waiting for government intervention instead of being creative has shown the complete dearth of leadership at the top of the theatre sector. Things need to change going forward.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 6, 2020 6:19:12 GMT
Really? We have been crying out for a financial package, which not everyone was even confident we would get at all, and we've just had one announced that is actually higher than most people even predicted or hoped for and yet the only response by some is to start comparing it to Germany? Or start complaining about the potential allocations? Or make digs about it being leaked?
Can people not just be pleased and grateful that we finally actually have something in place that will help?
Honestly.
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Post by Jan on Jul 6, 2020 7:45:40 GMT
^Jon,a friend of mine saw your comment and pointed me to artnet.com who reported that the figure for the German govts pledge to support businesses predominantly with emphasis on culture,creative industries and media was actually a staggering 50 Billion Euro’s....now that’s what I call a real whopping wedge of money! lol That's not true. The Euro 50bn was for ALL small businesses and freelancers which meant it was open to the arts but they only made up a small share of the total, it wasn't predominantly for that.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jul 6, 2020 8:28:04 GMT
There have been countless hundreds of Zoom plays, from all levels of the industry. Within days of theatre being closed Headlong commissioned a selection of the finest established and emerging writers to write Zoom plays which were broadcast on the BBC. Did you miss the NationalETheatr festival, the “Play in a Day” thing, the Donmar Warehouse’s streamed Zoom play, Graeae’s series of commissioned Zoom monologues, the extraordinary performed-live Caryl Churchill Zoom production, the 14:48 Festival, the Elton John/James Graham musical doing a Zoom reading, etc. etc. etc.
Absolutely no one in theatre has sat back and waited for a government handout. If the public had knew even 10% of what “leadership” have been doing behind the scenes (which is the reason this bailout happened) they would not make ignorant comments.
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Post by stevej678 on Jul 6, 2020 8:56:40 GMT
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jul 6, 2020 9:00:40 GMT
At least there’ll be a cracking play in all of this one day.
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Post by mhumphries on Jul 6, 2020 9:09:35 GMT
I think what will happen is the multi-million extravaganza shows will die out for a few years and we will see a rise in the old school grass roots theatre. Shows that can easily budget for a 50% capacity house and still turn in a profit. Basically the multimillionaire producers with million pound salaries will turn their tails and run and we will see a return of a more grounded product with a pricing structure designed to draw more people and families in.
Then once everything gets back to normal greed will take over again, million pound salaries, over priced tickets and astronomical theatre rents. Then in a 100 years time when this happens again it can collapse and be rebuilt all over again.
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Post by xanady on Jul 6, 2020 9:24:36 GMT
^Dr Jan Brock,just checked the web-site I named and just quoting what they said,namely that the 50 Billion pledged in Germany was predominantly for cultural,creative and media industries,so if you disagree with them take it up with them.I am just quoting what the site says.Other sites also seem to agree with them,I notice. Thank you,Sir.
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Post by xanady on Jul 6, 2020 9:30:48 GMT
Panto season officially dead. This will be the death knell for regional theatres. Never mind....when they are demolished we can build more car parks and over-priced apartment blocks instead. Who needs the Arts in a heartless country anyway? If people can sit side-by-side for four hours on a plane why can’t theatres re-open?Please explain as my pea-sized brain doesn’t compute it. Wearing a mask in the theatre would be fine by me.
In relation to theatre,don’t think I’ve felt so disillusioned,angry and depressed after Dowden’s interview than since this crisis started.Been writing/directing and producing Panto’s since 1988 and this feels like a really doom-laden day for the entire professional and amateur industry.Hope I’m wrong!
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Post by kathryn on Jul 6, 2020 10:04:31 GMT
There have been plenty of online concerts and a few theatre productions if you have looked for them. But all of that takes resources and equipment which many performers won't have lying around at home and are not going to be able to afford given they don't know when they are going to have steady work again. Don't be so quick to judge. Again the answer is be creative - write a Zoom play for Dench etc. Its not quick to judge, its wondering why theatre has been so slow to react. Sitting back and waiting for government intervention instead of being creative has shown the complete dearth of leadership at the top of the theatre sector. Things need to change going forward. Did you watch Staged? Or Talking Heads? There’s been loads of work going on online. I haven’t watched all that much of it because to me an online experience just isn't the same - it’s fundamentally TV, rather than theatre. But certainly those innovations have been work for the people involved.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 6, 2020 10:11:33 GMT
the the Elton John/James Graham musical doing a Zoom reading, etc. etc. etc. Erm, given that I’ve been rabidly following all the publicly-accessible news about Tammy Faye and I haven’t heard of an actual Zoom ‘reading’ of the full musical, please can you confirm for me if that was an industry-only event that the public wouldn’t be aware of? Or are you referring to James Graham talking about them using Zoom to work on some new songs for it? Because I wouldn’t call that a ‘reading’ so much as ‘collaborating remotely’.
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Post by n1david on Jul 6, 2020 10:45:15 GMT
If people can sit side-by-side for four hours on a plane why can’t theatres re-open?Please explain as my pea-sized brain doesn’t compute it. Wearing a mask in the theatre would be fine by me. The main difference is that on a plane you don’t have a bunch of people projecting loudly or singing at you for three hours. It may not be an issue in the upper circle, but a singer who was infected but asymptomatic could potentially infect a fair proportion of the front stalls. Wearing a mask as an audience member mostly prevents you passing it on, rather than protecting you from becoming infected. Hence the discussion about whether performances could go ahead with a screen between the stage and the auditorium.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 10:48:12 GMT
Panto season officially dead. Oh no it’s not.
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