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Post by alece10 on Jul 3, 2020 14:47:26 GMT
Passing the Turkish barbers I normally go to today I noticed you can book online. I did so once I got home and have a Turkish date next Wednesday at 10.20am thank goodness!! Just went past my Turkish/Albanian barbers. They have a notice up saying open from tomorrow but nothing about appointments and I don't fancy queueing in the street. Another "trendy" barbers up the street is doing online bookings so I've gone with them. Can't get anything until next Thursday and they are over twice the price of the other but one more week won't matter. My hair is longer than its been in 30 years and I currently look like a mix between Boris Johnson and Derek Jacobi as Cadfiel.
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Post by orchidman on Jul 3, 2020 15:26:33 GMT
I would think London theatre is safe. The situation will return to normal eventually, consumer demand will return. If theatres go out of business they will be bought out of receivership and relaunched when the time is right. All it needs is the government to not allow theatres to be repurposed for offices or flats or anything else in the interim. Regional theatre I would think is much more vulnerable and if the government was going to intervene, that's what I would target.
As Dr. Jan has said, it's not surprising if the government doesn't look too kindly on a sector whose groupthink has been far to the left of every government of the past 40 years. We had people like Mark Rylance merrily going round cocking a snook at corporate sponsorship only last year. Now it's the begging bowl and a classic tragic narrative, you make a virtue of your unworldliness and otherworldliness and then are outraged when the real world happens to you.
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Post by n1david on Jul 3, 2020 15:50:48 GMT
All it needs is the government to not allow theatres to be repurposed for offices or flats or anything else in the interim. Regrettably, the PM announced a significant loosening-up of planning regulations this week to permit commercial properties to be converted to residential with the minimum of paperwork. The grand old dames like the Palladium will be safe, it's the more modern and less-loved theatres that might be at risk where developers have got their eye on prime sites.
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Post by sf on Jul 3, 2020 15:54:32 GMT
Now it's the begging bowl and a classic tragic narrative, you make a virtue of your unworldliness and otherworldliness and then are outraged when the real world happens to you. That's rather simplistic and patronising analysis, and it's also neither true nor fair. We're talking about a sector which makes a very large contribution to the economy, and which - compared to airlines and car manufacturers, for example, which have already received emergency bailout funding from the Bank of England - is likely to be relatively inexpensive to support. A month ago Sam Mendes published a piece in the FT which set out a credible plan to support the industry during this period; it was an investment proposal rather than a "begging bowl", there was nothing "unworldly" or "otherworldly" about it, and the amounts of money involved, in the context of what the total cost of all of this is going to be, are not that large. Mendes published his plan on Friday June 5th - that is, four weeks ago today. It was a clear, realistic, workable proposal written by somebody who knows more than all but a handful of people about how the business operates. The fact that the government, in four weeks, have done nothing reveals a great deal about their priorities.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 3, 2020 15:56:22 GMT
I would think London theatre is safe. The situation will return to normal eventually, consumer demand will return. If theatres go out of business they will be bought out of receivership and relaunched when the time is right. All it needs is the government to not allow theatres to be repurposed for offices or flats or anything else in the interim. Regional theatre I would think is much more vulnerable and if the government was going to intervene, that's what I would target. As Dr. Jan has said, it's not surprising if the government doesn't look too kindly on a sector whose groupthink has been far to the left of every government of the past 40 years. We had people like Mark Rylance merrily going round cocking a snook at corporate sponsorship only last year. Now it's the begging bowl and a classic tragic narrative, you make a virtue of your unworldliness and otherworldliness and then are outraged when the real world happens to you. Through it might be a different type of consumer - a need to attract domestic audiences if tourism to London - especially from outside Europe- settles at a lower level than before.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 3, 2020 16:09:31 GMT
I believe, unless i heard wrong, the PM announced just now that he'll outline next week when sectors currently not up and running will be allowed to open again. I'm unclear if this will include Theatres ect as technically he already said they could open from tomorrow.
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Post by maggiem on Jul 3, 2020 16:16:03 GMT
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Post by stevej678 on Jul 3, 2020 16:16:26 GMT
I believe, unless i heard wrong, the PM announced just now that he'll outline next week when sectors currently not up and running will be allowed to open again. I'm unclear if this will include Theatres ect as technically he already said they could open from tomorrow. Confirmed in the answer to the first question that it does! Also a vague, non-committal reference to "support" in the interim before the proposed reopening date.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 3, 2020 16:19:54 GMT
I believe, unless i heard wrong, the PM announced just now that he'll outline next week when sectors currently not up and running will be allowed to open again. I'm unclear if this will include Theatres ect as technically he already said they could open from tomorrow. Confirmed in the answer to the first question that it does! Also a vague hint there might be some form of support in the interim before the proposed reopening date. Though he still said about getting them open "covid secure", which, unless what that term means changes, would seem to point to no actual change in the situation? So, we can only hope that the ALW trial impressed enough to make them agree to a different version of "covid secure" than before. Also I notice beyond saying that "we will do everything we can to support the events and arts industry in the meantime" he didn't, again, specifically promise a financial package.
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Post by dontdreamit on Jul 3, 2020 17:59:38 GMT
So apart from getting lashed at the pub first thing on Saturday morning what are people planning this weekend? A hairdo? A restaurant? Seeing someone you haven’t seen? I noticed some bloke on one of the gay apps with the profile name “My bubble is open” so I suspect I know what he’s planning! 😝 We will spend another weekend at home. Am looking forward to finally getting out a bit hopefully soon!
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Post by lynette on Jul 3, 2020 18:34:06 GMT
Hairdresser!!!!!
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Post by basdfg on Jul 3, 2020 18:53:04 GMT
In one way maybe the theatre industry should get on board with the campaign for compensation from China or something else right wingers get excited about - it might appeal to the government and government's target voters more. Principles don't get you that far in life anymore.
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Post by Jon on Jul 3, 2020 19:34:30 GMT
In one way maybe the theatre industry should get on board with the campaign for compensation from China or something else right wingers get excited about - it might appeal to the government and government's target voters more. Principles don't get you that far in life anymore. That's never going to happen.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 3, 2020 19:42:33 GMT
In one way maybe the theatre industry should get on board with the campaign for compensation from China or something else right wingers get excited about - it might appeal to the government and government's target voters more. Principles don't get you that far in life anymore. That's never going to happen. What part?
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Post by sf on Jul 3, 2020 19:44:26 GMT
That's never going to happen. What part? Any of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 19:52:45 GMT
In one way maybe the theatre industry should get on board with the campaign for compensation from China or something else right wingers get excited about - it might appeal to the government and government's target voters more. Principles don't get you that far in life anymore. If there are to be compensation claims it would be very hard to enforce when China owns so much of the world. Personally I hold that wet market responsible but what cover up or manipulation of the case figures there we may never know. What if they got a vaccine first and other countries were suing them. They could effectively stick two fingers up to them. The same if US or Russia got a vaccine, would you bet against either of them using it for political and economic gain?
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Post by sf on Jul 3, 2020 22:07:40 GMT
This is an (ahem) encouraging sign, isn't it?
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jul 3, 2020 22:24:56 GMT
Whoever said the government doesn’t have any spare dosh because it’s all earmarked: they managed to come up with the money for the furlough scheme, and to bail out other industries pretty quickly, and how much did re-painting Boris’ plane cost? So apart from getting lashed at the pub first thing on Saturday morning what are people planning this weekend? A hairdo? A restaurant? Seeing someone you haven’t seen? I noticed some bloke on one of the gay apps with the profile name “My bubble is open” so I suspect I know what he’s planning! 😝 Might push the boat out and order a pizza this weekend.
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Post by stagemanager on Jul 4, 2020 3:28:07 GMT
I am feeling quietly confident that next week we can expect some form of announcement on both the possible reopening dates of theatre and also some form of financial support. Although as I have stated before if the finances are announced as part of the Chancellors statement on Wednesday and not as separate announcement I think that it’s is unlikely that size of the financial package will be as large as we would all hope for. I also feel that whatever happens the industry is going to be very different when we come out of this, as the Chancellor has said he can’t save every job and this along with the fact some of the companies have used COVID as an excuse for a restructure means that change is inevitable.
My main concern now is how we get shows up and running, having spoken to Producers of various scale shows, all are of the opinion that even when the Government gives the green light for the reopening of shows nobody wants to risk there money on being first out of the gate. I am pleased to see that the Mousetrap is preparing to open in October and it will be interesting to see what the audiences are like when this returns, but I hear that most of the West End will follow Cameron’s Mackintosh’s lead and wait until they feel certain the audiences will come. If the smaller venues that mainly produce new productions have no Producers and backers we could end up in a situation where the Government says that we can open, but yet we still don’t open because nobody wants to take the risk.
For many years the respective unions have done sterling work in eliminating low pay and no pay from our industry (and I support that) but it occurs to me that the only way we may get some shows to open in the short term in smaller venues is to spread the financial risk. So I am interested to hear from professionals what they would think of a temporary (say for 6 months from when the Government allows opening) period when small scale venues would be allowed to do fully open book profit share productions. No comp tickets for anyone, no papering of seats, everyone who watches the show pays and the profits of the show are split evenly between everyone including the venue. I know that money is tight for all of us and we would all like to return to proper wages but it seems to me that it might be the only way of getting shows open. What are the communities thoughts?
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Post by theatreian on Jul 4, 2020 8:56:24 GMT
I would have expected some announcement next week also based on comments I have seen. The government seems to have done things in line with their original road map issued way back. The priority has been those industries employing a lot of people ie hospitality etc. Lets hope for a good package for the Arts next week. At least some guidance and dates have been promised but hope for financial help too.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 4, 2020 10:03:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 10:36:41 GMT
Newsnight segment with Nick Hytner and Pitlochry AD, Elizabeth Newman,
Talk of how profits are divided are fine but the reality is that any sort of profit is unlikely, given low public confidence and running costs needing to be covered.
Usual reactionary scum in the comments plus added loons (Bill Gates virus etc.).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 11:59:38 GMT
In case anyone thinks that it is about money, maybe look into the issue of contracts to source PPE. A chocolatier, a pest control company an employment agency with a few hundred quid in assets, shady tax avoiders and so on,
If theatres had moonlighted as crony capitalists, they would have had millions given to them.
That’s the government we have.
I’ll be interested to see how the forthcoming package measures up against similar ones in other European countries,
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Post by sf on Jul 4, 2020 13:50:03 GMT
I’ll be interested to see how the forthcoming package measures up against similar ones in other European countries, It will be less, it will be implemented incompetently, and it will probably force some companies to go under.
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 4, 2020 22:13:16 GMT
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