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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 12:26:04 GMT
Well, "quickly" is a flexible term - I don't expect everything to be back to normal within one or two months, but I also don't expect the doom-mongering here that sees theatres closed to the end of the year or even through 2021. Why? Because so many areas of the economy are based on people being in close proximity to each other: Public transport from the local bus to long-haul flights, all sorts of events from theatre and cinema to sports events to conferences, factories and large warehouses, every shopping street and market, every aspect of tourism... and when you look at just how hard a one-month-lockdown has already hit the global economy, it just isn't feasible to sustain this over six month (or more). I expect a step-by-step opening up: Small shops first, restaurants, smaller cinemas and theatres, too. And yes, if necessary with gaps between people. I mean, the cinema I regularly visit is rarely ever "full" and people cluster together in the middle section of the last 4-5 rows, so they can easily spread out. We may not see a packed Palladium for several months, but at least for the long-runs and producers with deep pockets it may be more profitable to run shows in front of 200 people than generating no income at all. It will be longer until big venues of +5000 seats (such as football stadiums) will open up again and I don't expect to see any rock festivals happening at all this year with 50,000 crammed together in front of a stage. But I do think it's possible to let a few hundred healthy people who are very observant of current hygiene rules (wash hands, use a face mask) within close proximity of each other in a theatre. Of course I could be wrong. This is just my personal thinking and hoping. I know that as soon as things are opening up again I will be on my way to London to support the industry I love so much... Well I said ‘quickly’ because you called out the people saying it would take ‘months’ to get back to normal. I agree that the economy can’t just shut down long term but let’s be honest - if it has to I suppose it will. Over 100,000 people have died globally from this and unless it is stamped out or vaccinated against, deaths will continue to occur - and until they stop or dramatically reduce to a position where the NHS can cope with the number of daily admissions, we are going to have to stay as we are... normality be damned. Spain and Italy are lifting some restrictions this week - with Germany not that far behind I’d have thought - so let’s see how they deal with it. France however are planning to remain in lockdown for a lot longer, and the US depends on the mood of The Trumpet in any given day. I just don’t see audiences rushing back to the theatre. Italy and Spain are simply allowing things the UK has never banned.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 13, 2020 12:39:37 GMT
I was musing last night as to whether there might be push-back from employers against their employees doing things like going to the theatre when officce re-open. Imagine how a company would feel if one employee went to somewhere with hundreds of people such as a theatre, caught coronavirus, & gave it to everyone else in the office. The company would then be paying out sick pay for weeks/months. So could companies add something to employees' contracts forbidding them to do activities outside work that increase the risk of coronavirus? I don't know the legality of it but surely a workplace can't dictate your life to this degree? In any case, it would be totally impractical in terms of first proving that said employee went to the theatre and also if there was an outbreak identifying the initial cause would be almost impossible. Besides which, you could catch the virus nipping into a shop or on the bus to work. Way too many variables.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 12:46:21 GMT
It’s bad enough when someone coughs at the theatre anyway, but now if someone coughs it’s going to take you out of the moment and make you worry. So I don’t see theatres re-opening until it’s completely safe to do so... and even then, there’s the question of audiences feeling safe enough to sit with strangers, alongside the question of personal finances: I imagine a lot of people will not be spending money on luxuries and will actually start to save once this is over - for fear of a repeat bought of hardship. The thing is there are people out there now ignoring the social distancing rules and putting themselves and others at risk, even when deaths are at 900 a day. So I find it difficult to imagine that there wont be a significant amount of people that will be happy to sit with strangers when the powers that be have deemed it safe enough to do so, especially after being cooped up for so long not being allowed to do that. Less than there were before for a while, sure. But many will be more eager than they've ever been to do anything but stay at home. In regards to saving money, obviously everyone's employment and financial situation at the moment is different. But for those that continue to get any form of significant income, they currently aren't spending any of that on leisure, entertainment, travel, eating out etc. So they're already essentially saving money. And if we're honest, most of the people that can usually afford to regularly see West End or Broadway theatre at non-discounted prices probably aren't the ones struggling the most through these times. When this is over, people will move on to the next thing. Now we expect - and we hope - that whatever it will be wont be as life-changing as this has been. But regardless, it will dominate the news, the media wont shut up about it and coronavirus will soon enough be a distant memory for all but the most seriously affected. The less it gets talked about as the months go by, the less people think about it and the less they let it change how they live their lives. Look at the way brexit has gone from being the only think you'd ever hear about when you turned on the TV or radio to barely mentioned because they have something new to focus on. Most people are being sensible - don’t let the headlines about over zealous police fool you, and most of these stories come from outside of London, so has less to theatre I suppose (assuming we’re staying on topic). On the issue of finances, I’m sorry but you’re being not all together fair - many people in many industries have been furloughed or worse and are struggling financially. Not everyone can work from home and even if some people can, not everyone can be sure that a second wave will be dealt with in the same way it is now. West end tickets are expensive (at standard full price) and a night out for two, with food and transport etc, can lead into a £200+ very easily - well over £2k a year if done monthly. So yes, I can actually see people cutting back on this and opting to save instead because this is probably a wake up to a lot of people to start saving a bit more Thinking people will forget about Coronavirus though simply because a new issue will distract us is rather shortsighted of you. Regarding Brexit, we are in a transition period and the government has always said they will not seek to extent it. The only reason Brexit went on like it did in the media is because the politicians couldn’t get anything done and we didn’t know how or if we were leaving. That got sorted (more or less) and as a result of all of those dramas, the government are now using some of the contingency plans (for medicine, food etc) to deal with coronavirus. But Brexit coverage largely died down when we left in January. Over 10,000 British people dying on British soil hasn’t happened for god knows how many years. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a day of remembrance sorted for it so no, I don’t think it will be forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 13:19:54 GMT
The thing is there are people out there now ignoring the social distancing rules and putting themselves and others at risk, even when deaths are at 900 a day. So I find it difficult to imagine that there wont be a significant amount of people that will be happy to sit with strangers when the powers that be have deemed it safe enough to do so, especially after being cooped up for so long not being allowed to do that. Less than there were before for a while, sure. But many will be more eager than they've ever been to do anything but stay at home. In regards to saving money, obviously everyone's employment and financial situation at the moment is different. But for those that continue to get any form of significant income, they currently aren't spending any of that on leisure, entertainment, travel, eating out etc. So they're already essentially saving money. And if we're honest, most of the people that can usually afford to regularly see West End or Broadway theatre at non-discounted prices probably aren't the ones struggling the most through these times. When this is over, people will move on to the next thing. Now we expect - and we hope - that whatever it will be wont be as life-changing as this has been. But regardless, it will dominate the news, the media wont shut up about it and coronavirus will soon enough be a distant memory for all but the most seriously affected. The less it gets talked about as the months go by, the less people think about it and the less they let it change how they live their lives. Look at the way brexit has gone from being the only think you'd ever hear about when you turned on the TV or radio to barely mentioned because they have something new to focus on. Most people are being sensible - don’t let the headlines about over zealous police fool you, and most of these stories come from outside of London, so has less to theatre I suppose (assuming we’re staying on topic). On the issue of finances, I’m sorry but you’re being not all together fair - many people in many industries have been furloughed or worse and are struggling financially. Not everyone can work from home and even if some people can, not everyone can be sure that a second wave will be dealt with in the same way it is now. West end tickets are expensive (at standard full price) and a night out for two, with food and transport etc, can lead into a £200+ very easily - well over £2k a year if done monthly. So yes, I can actually see people cutting back on this and opting to save instead because this is probably a wake up to a lot of people to start saving a bit more Thinking people will forget about Coronavirus though simply because a new issue will distract us is rather shortsighted of you. Regarding Brexit, we are in a transition period and the government has always said they will not seek to extent it. The only reason Brexit went on like it did in the media is because the politicians couldn’t get anything done and we didn’t know how or if we were leaving. That got sorted (more or less) and as a result of all of those dramas, the government are now using some of the contingency plans (for medicine, food etc) to deal with coronavirus. But Brexit coverage largely died down when we left in January. Over 10,000 British people dying on British soil hasn’t happened for god knows how many years. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a day of remembrance sorted for it so no, I don’t think it will be forgotten. Most people are being sensible most of the time. I didn't say I necessarily believed all of the headlines but from personal experience I do know multiple people that are still visiting their mothers who are also being visited by all their other children, or are popping round their friends and having a coffee with them in the back garden. Plenty of people are taking these risks even while the virus is peaking. It's no less risky just because it's not being done in public spaces where we can all see them. I'm not sure how my post was unfair when it came to finances. I never claimed that everyone was working from home or that no one was struggling financially? I clearly stated that everyone's financial situation and employment status is different right now. Just that there ARE some people who are currently earning money that they are only currently spending on the basics ie. bills, rent and a weekly shop. Therefore, those people are already saving money. I'm well aware how expensive the theatre can be, which is also why I pointed out that most regular theatregoers (again, not ALL) are likely to be in a stronger financial position than the worst affected. Of course theatre will be something that a lot of people cut back on. It's not something the majority of the population do anyway. Most financially stable Brits will go to see a handful of West End shows in their life. But I do think that most people that have prioritised theatre in the past will happily welcome it back into their lives to some degree when they have re-opened. I don't believe that people will be happy to go back to work and use public transport but terrified to sit in a cinema or theatre. I don't believe that after not having done anything social for months, people wont be willing to spend a bit of money on these types of activities. For as many people who are being more cautious with their health or finances, there will be those that have managed to save money over these months or that don't consider themselves particularly vulnerable that are even more eager than they were pre-coronavirus to go out and enjoy themselves. I didn't once say in my post that people will forget about coronavirus. Of course they wont. I said that when the next thing comes along, people will move on from it and that eventually it will be a distant memory for most. None of this is false. We move on from recessions, wars, disasters and most of the time it doesn't take long for humans to adapt back to how they were before these things. New York didn't forget about 9/11 but they absolutely moved on from it. For a while after, tourists avoided NYC because they were scared. Broadway actors had to make a TV commercial urging people to see shows. Shows closed and the new shows that were successes were largely light hearted fare like Hairspray. But eventually people came back, dark shows like Spring Awakening were being workshopped within a few years and would go on to be successful on Broadway, normality resumed in NYC. That's just one example because it's something we all remember. Just because the things we read about in history books didn't happen in our lifetime doesn't mean they happened to a different species who had a better ability to recover and readjust to normality. Spanish Flu killed more people than WWI yet is referred to as the 'forgotten pandemic'. It got overshadowed by the war that people wanted to talk about more. Obviously with the media and technology, it's not so easy for huge events like this to be forgotten nowadays. But that doesn't mean that something else wont come along that people will want to talk about more within the next few years. Humanity is not lucky enough to have long periods of peace, financial stability, health and so on. There's always something around the corner that will be more of a worry than the thing we're currently worrying about. I think denying that is what is actually short sighted.
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Post by Jon on Apr 13, 2020 13:24:37 GMT
tourism that won't come back - plenty of people very happy that lack of flights has helped pollution and will very hard to stop the levels before returning - lot's of talk of going on a flight is never essential and nobody ever needs to travel where a train cant get them too. Tourism isn't going to die. Stop suggesting it will.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 14:01:11 GMT
The point about shows running with smaller audiences revolves around the “weekly nut”, the point at which costs are covered and losses avoided. To have a production running with, say, a 20% downturn will put many into a loss making position, even 10% will make the difference. This is show but also business, so such a production will close. Theatres could reduce rent, employees take a pay cut but there is only a small margin that could be withstood, there’s a reason for high ticket prices. Hamilton? Probably fine, it’s also got a young audience who will feel much more safe, maybe the highest ticket prices will have to come down. Phantom? Lots of tourists missing, so very much touch and go.
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Post by duncan on Apr 13, 2020 14:05:36 GMT
tourism that won't come back - plenty of people very happy that lack of flights has helped pollution and will very hard to stop the levels before returning - lot's of talk of going on a flight is never essential and nobody ever needs to travel where a train cant get them too. Tourism isn't going to die. Stop suggesting it will. Tourism wont die but its not going back to 2020 levels for a few years. There will be fewer flights at higher prices for the foreseeable future.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 14:13:27 GMT
tourism that won't come back - plenty of people very happy that lack of flights has helped pollution and will very hard to stop the levels before returning - lot's of talk of going on a flight is never essential and nobody ever needs to travel where a train cant get them too. Tourism isn't going to die. Stop suggesting it will. It will till a vaccine comes.
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Post by Jan on Apr 13, 2020 14:16:18 GMT
I guess the small theatres, like the Orange Tree say, will (assuming they survive, which I think they mostly will) be the ones that bounce back immediately - the big venues and companies (RSC) are looking at years of problems. I assume audience sizes may be limited by law for months - 500 ? Fewer ?
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 14:16:27 GMT
Tourism isn't going to die. Stop suggesting it will. Tourism wont die but its not going back to 2020 levels for a few years. There will be fewer flights at higher prices for the foreseeable future. Which will kill toursm as simply only the rich and those going to see family or freinds will bother. Most of the People who have made city breaks to New York will not be crossing the Atlantic for a weekend in New York any time soon.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 14:18:18 GMT
The thing is there are people out there now ignoring the social distancing rules and putting themselves and others at risk, even when deaths are at 900 a day. So I find it difficult to imagine that there wont be a significant amount of people that will be happy to sit with strangers when the powers that be have deemed it safe enough to do so, especially after being cooped up for so long not being allowed to do that. Less than there were before for a while, sure. But many will be more eager than they've ever been to do anything but stay at home. In regards to saving money, obviously everyone's employment and financial situation at the moment is different. But for those that continue to get any form of significant income, they currently aren't spending any of that on leisure, entertainment, travel, eating out etc. So they're already essentially saving money. And if we're honest, most of the people that can usually afford to regularly see West End or Broadway theatre at non-discounted prices probably aren't the ones struggling the most through these times. When this is over, people will move on to the next thing. Now we expect - and we hope - that whatever it will be wont be as life-changing as this has been. But regardless, it will dominate the news, the media wont shut up about it and coronavirus will soon enough be a distant memory for all but the most seriously affected. The less it gets talked about as the months go by, the less people think about it and the less they let it change how they live their lives. Look at the way brexit has gone from being the only think you'd ever hear about when you turned on the TV or radio to barely mentioned because they have something new to focus on. Most people are being sensible - don’t let the headlines about over zealous police fool you, and most of these stories come from outside of London, so has less to theatre I suppose (assuming we’re staying on topic). On the issue of finances, I’m sorry but you’re being not all together fair - many people in many industries have been furloughed or worse and are struggling financially. Not everyone can work from home and even if some people can, not everyone can be sure that a second wave will be dealt with in the same way it is now. West end tickets are expensive (at standard full price) and a night out for two, with food and transport etc, can lead into a £200+ very easily - well over £2k a year if done monthly. So yes, I can actually see people cutting back on this and opting to save instead because this is probably a wake up to a lot of people to start saving a bit more Thinking people will forget about Coronavirus though simply because a new issue will distract us is rather shortsighted of you. Regarding Brexit, we are in a transition period and the government has always said they will not seek to extent it. The only reason Brexit went on like it did in the media is because the politicians couldn’t get anything done and we didn’t know how or if we were leaving. That got sorted (more or less) and as a result of all of those dramas, the government are now using some of the contingency plans (for medicine, food etc) to deal with coronavirus. But Brexit coverage largely died down when we left in January. Over 10,000 British people dying on British soil hasn’t happened for god knows how many years. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a day of remembrance sorted for it so no, I don’t think it will be forgotten. More than that die of several different types of cancer every year.
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Post by Jan on Apr 13, 2020 14:18:48 GMT
Tourism isn't going to die. Stop suggesting it will. It will till a vaccine comes. International tourism will be non-existent for months one way or another - internal tourism within the UK will take up some of the slack.
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Post by clair on Apr 13, 2020 14:27:24 GMT
It could well be a case of theatres opening gradually, thus those who can afford to go immediately do so with just two or three open, then a month or so later another couple open with the first audience and others who have been back at work are able to go to the first ones and so on until we get to a point where most theatres are back open again. I don't know much about theatre finances but perhaps sensible ticket prices could prevail, at least for long enough to get the industry going again. At the moment we have insane prices for tourists/those well off, dynamic pricing, then deals/offers and finally papering - many regular theatre goers are the ones who wait for the deals/papering. If for a few years we simply had sensible prices and people all buying at those prices knowing the only deals likely would be day seats then the potential for survival would surely be greater than on the current pricing model.
I'm on furlough myself which means my basic bills are just about covered as my company are making up the extra 20% for me, however my theatre/fun money all came from overtime so I'll struggle to see things for a while, sensible prices for the lowest prices would enable me to see something each month, perhaps more if the overtime kicks in again by this time next year although I have a feeling it will take longer for that to happen.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 14:29:46 GMT
It will till a vaccine comes. International tourism will be non-existent for months one way or another - internal tourism within the UK will take up some of the slack. Can't see lots of people going to London from the rest of the UK- people will replace international holidays with rural holidays in the UK.
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Post by Jon on Apr 13, 2020 14:32:33 GMT
The point about shows running with smaller audiences revolves around the “weekly nut”, the point at which costs are covered and losses avoided. To have a production running with, say, a 20% downturn will put many into a loss making position, even 10% will make the difference. This is show but also business, so such a production will close. Theatres could reduce rent, employees take a pay cut but there is only a small margin that could be withstood, there’s a reason for high ticket prices. Hamilton? Probably fine, it’s also got a young audience who will feel much more safe, maybe the highest ticket prices will have to come down. Phantom? Lots of tourists missing, so very much touch and go. Phantom and Les Miserables are protected by the fact they are in theatres which are owned by their respective creatives and they've generated so much profit in the last 30 odd years that they could afford to dip into their cash reserves.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 14:36:04 GMT
The point about shows running with smaller audiences revolves around the “weekly nut”, the point at which costs are covered and losses avoided. To have a production running with, say, a 20% downturn will put many into a loss making position, even 10% will make the difference. This is show but also business, so such a production will close. Theatres could reduce rent, employees take a pay cut but there is only a small margin that could be withstood, there’s a reason for high ticket prices. Hamilton? Probably fine, it’s also got a young audience who will feel much more safe, maybe the highest ticket prices will have to come down. Phantom? Lots of tourists missing, so very much touch and go. Phantom and Les Miserables are protected by the fact they are in theatres which are owned by their respective creatives and they've generated so much profit in the last 30 odd years that they could afford to dip into their cash reserves. Through equally they might just shut the doors for a year and revive them when theatre world is profitable again (through if international tourism never returns to anywhere near the old extent that might never be the case for the big musicals.)
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Post by Jon on Apr 13, 2020 14:41:09 GMT
Through equally they might just shut the doors for a year and revive them when theatre world is profitable again (through if international tourism never returns to anywhere near the old extent that might never be the case for the big musicals.) Stop saying international tourism will never return, that is simply false.
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Post by ceebee on Apr 13, 2020 14:41:50 GMT
I think people need to remember that this lockdown isn't just about the virus. Its about creating social immunity to death. Whether we like it or not, death is bring normalised. We need to get used to the figures. The number who die from coronavirus remains in the low % of total cases, and sooner or later life will need to get going. The question will always be around how many is too many - one death or one hundred thousand deaths? Another aspect of this is that our relatively safe cocooned lives have been shaken by this. We are led to believe that most people are born, grow, live to reasonable or older age, then hopefully pass on peacefully. This is as much a struggle to understand our own mortality as it is to understand the disease. For this reason, I want to see theatres reopen and life get moving as soon and as normally as possible. If the consequences of this are that I become a statistic, then so be it. Lockdown is no life for anybody and we need to flip the coin and say "those with known risks must continue to self-manage, everybody else needs to crack on with life and accept a very real new threat to their health and well-being". This is no time for the cossetting, touchy-feely, 'accept and accommodate all' world that we have become used to where we flex and bend to satisfy and pacify every microcosmic element of society. Theatres need to reopen; life must go on; we need to grasp the nettle and accept that we can't cocoon ourselves for eternity. If we don't, there will be no theatres to function because the economies will cease to exist. All to save a tiny percentage of global population.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 14:49:03 GMT
Through equally they might just shut the doors for a year and revive them when theatre world is profitable again (through if international tourism never returns to anywhere near the old extent that might never be the case for the big musicals.) Stop saying international tourism will never return, that is simply false. While I really hope not it's not possible to say it's false - some people (often deluded through) think populations will choose economic damage rather than accept the higher risks mass tourism brings - increasingly through populations seem to prefer to not be so overwhelmed by tourism.
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Post by jojo on Apr 13, 2020 15:14:12 GMT
The point about shows running with smaller audiences revolves around the “weekly nut”, the point at which costs are covered and losses avoided. To have a production running with, say, a 20% downturn will put many into a loss making position, even 10% will make the difference. This is show but also business, so such a production will close. Theatres could reduce rent, employees take a pay cut but there is only a small margin that could be withstood, there’s a reason for high ticket prices. Hamilton? Probably fine, it’s also got a young audience who will feel much more safe, maybe the highest ticket prices will have to come down. Phantom? Lots of tourists missing, so very much touch and go. If theatre owners have a choice of a production running at half capacity paying reduced rent, or empty and no rent, they'll pick reduced rent. There will be some running costs that don't exist in an empty theatre, but the capital cost is already out there. It's going to be about covering the running costs, or even covering the additional running costs based on it being uses, not empty. Even an empty theatre requires some heating and security. There won't be much room for a pay cut, and it would be hard after several months with no work, but if it's a choice between that and not working at a time when the economy is struggling and many people have been made redundant, a lot of people will chose that. We can hope for some grants, and the wealthier members of the community pitching in. Perhaps some of better off names would be prepared to work for well below their normal fees, or would it be better for them to let the jobs go to the less famous? Hard to say, as I think names will help to get reluctant bums back on seats. I know that some film and tv actors have clauses in contracts banning them from doing any dangerous sports like skiing. I'm not convinced any employers could try the same with banning trips to the theatre, but it's fair to say there could be a bit of social push back if people think their colleagues are taking unnecessary risks. I can't see that sticking too long - at least not if the phased withdrawal from lockdown is done correctly. But I do foresee a few family arguments about whether it's OK to do x or y when there's a plan to visit granny the following weekend.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 15:29:18 GMT
On the BBC a senior Italian doctor who has advised the Iralian goverment has said she doesn't see Cinemas or Concerts returning till a vaccine comes.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 13, 2020 15:57:18 GMT
On the BBC a senior Italian doctor who has advised the Iralian goverment has said she doesn't see Cinemas or Concerts returning till a vaccine comes. On the BBC now they're talking about social distancing lasting indefinitely. Obviously this won't happen because humans need contact and people will congregate eventually lockdown or not. This will mean that theatres will at least become a place where there is a reason to congregate and to an extent it can be controlled.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 16:23:36 GMT
If social distancing lasts indefinitely then they would be effectively forcing me and thousands, if not millions, like me to live in solitary confinement, the only difference to solitary confinement in prison being we are allowed to go for a walk and get some shopping. That isn't a life.
There are far too many variables that rely on humans having social contact - mental health, physical health, tourism, almost the entire leisure and retail sectors and, if we're going to take it to extremes, reproduction. Yes, some of those are less important than others, but none are unimportant for social and economic survival, so no one with any ounce of sense will want or be planning for social distancing to continue indefinitely.
Is it necessary to slow and flatten a peak? Of course. But coronavirus isn't the only deadly illness that exists in the world, and there will have to come a point where it is simply treated like any other, so that we can get back to properly treating people for other critical illnesses and more progressive ones who are currently being restricted in their access to treatment options, and get back to some semblance of a normal society.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 16:36:54 GMT
Indefinitely doesn't mean permanently. One way or another we will beat this.
If we get a vaccine fairly soon that would be great, but there's another way to beat it and that's by stepping up the distancing. This is a virus that can only survive for a few days outside a host. If we follow a hard-line isolation policy where everyone with the disease and everyone they've come into contact with are isolated for a couple of weeks then it won't be too long before the virus is extinct. The italicised part is important, because that way you stay one step ahead of the infection instead of chasing after it as we are right now. If every infected person has zero chance to pass on the infection then there are only two outcomes: they recover and the virus dies, or they die and the virus dies. It has no way out.
It's just a disease. We've driven quite a few diseases into extinction. There's no reason why this one can't be the same.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 13, 2020 16:37:59 GMT
If social distancing lasts indefinitely then they would be effectively forcing me and thousands, if not millions, like me to live in solitary confinement, the only difference to solitary confinement in prison being we are allowed to go for a walk and get some shopping. That isn't a life. There are far too many variables that rely on humans having social contact - mental health, physical health, tourism, almost the entire leisure and retail sectors and, if we're going to take it to extremes, reproduction. Yes, some of those are less important than others, but none are unimportant for social and economic survival, so no one with any ounce of sense will want or be planning for social distancing to continue indefinitely. Is it necessary to slow and flatten a peak? Of course. But coronavirus isn't the only deadly illness that exists in the world, and there will have to come a point where it is simply treated like any other, so that we can get back to properly treating people for other critical illnesses and more progressive ones who are currently being restricted in their access to treatment options, and get back to some semblance of a normal society. I agree. On a purely base primal level, the thought of not being hugged or able to hug again is the most depressing thought ever. I think the most realistic is what someone earlier in the thread talked about theatres reopening gradually and incrementally increasing attendance.
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