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Post by tmesis on Feb 28, 2020 20:27:20 GMT
This is according to Norman Lebrecht's site slippedisc.com
First the good news -
Antonio Pappano is conducting
Now the bad news -
Barrie Kosky is directing
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Post by Xanderl on Feb 28, 2020 20:33:54 GMT
I suspect the clips online of his previous Ring Cycle in Hannover from 2011 may not reassure you
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 28, 2020 21:09:28 GMT
I'm beginning to think I'll never get to see the Ring Cycle live. I didn't see the last ROH production because I disliked it when it was televised when new & after The Nose I've sworn off Kosky permanently. I wish I could get a time machine back to a performance about a hundred years ago, that's the sort of production I'd like to see.
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Post by tonyloco on Feb 29, 2020 11:13:16 GMT
Good luck, Dawnstar!
But I think the best one can expect these days is to get a superb musical performance and hope that what happens on stage is not too awful! After all, if a production adhered totally to Wagner's original stage directions I don't think we would be all that happy!
Perhaps the best outcome would be for semi-staged concert performances with some sensible projections and appropriate acting from the principals.
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Post by tmesis on Feb 29, 2020 11:19:07 GMT
I actually really liked Kosky's last production which was of Handel's Agrippina but hated his Nose and truly detested his Carmen. The Ring seems to bring out the worst in present day directors - even those whose work I generally admire seem to go for the wild and wacky and seek to trivialise it.
My favourite production of all is still the first one I ever saw in 1978 by Gotz Friedrich at ROH. This used a hydraulic platform that could tilt at what must have been hair-raising angles for the singers and elegantly solved the multiple locations that Wagner demands.
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 29, 2020 12:57:43 GMT
tmesis Sadly I wasn't born at that point! I don't think it was filmed either, was it? I have seen the recording of the Chereau Ring from a couple of years later & find that production pretty decent, although I gather it was considered a bit extreme at the time. Good luck, Dawnstar!
But I think the best one can expect these days is to get a superb musical performance and hope that what happens on stage is not too awful! After all, if a production adhered totally to Wagner's original stage directions I don't think we would be all that happy! I'd be prepared to give Wagner's original stage directions a go. They have to be better than what's inflicted on his works nowadays! (Based on reading reviews. I've seen little Wagner live because the reviews of most productions are so offputting.)
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Post by Xanderl on Feb 29, 2020 17:19:10 GMT
Perhaps the best outcome would be for semi-staged concert performances with some sensible projections and appropriate acting from the principals.
That’s how the Opera North one a few years ago was done - it worked really well There is an LPO Ring Cycle at the Festival Hall next year which is a purely concert performance I think
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Post by tonyloco on Feb 29, 2020 19:25:38 GMT
Perhaps the best outcome would be for semi-staged concert performances with some sensible projections and appropriate acting from the principals.
That’s how the Opera North one a few years ago was done - it worked really well There is an LPO Ring Cycle at the Festival Hall next year which is a purely concert performance I think Thanks, Xanderl, for confirming Opera North. That's actually what I had in mind but I wasn't sure which company it was. I only saw it on TV but I thought it was extremely successful and did full justice to the work. I felt it must have been very satisfying to attend it live.
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Post by Mr Snow on Mar 2, 2020 11:29:49 GMT
I guess that's the price of keeping Papanno?
I thought the last one was still serviceable with (Spoiler Alert) the incredible fireburst at the end a real coup de theatre (My eyebrows have just about recovered). With sets and design costs for 4 complete Opera's you might expect it to get more than 3(?) run outs especially when the no of performances are limited to save the signers. Last used in 2018 so its not as it it's been consigned to History.
Doubt I'll ever enjoy a run more than my first Barenboim at the Proms 2013. A concert affair with only a few effects added.
No doubt about it, Opera is illogical.
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Post by TallPaul on Mar 2, 2020 13:22:27 GMT
That’s how the Opera North one a few years ago was done - it worked really well The full Cycle is available to view online, for free, if anyone has about a week to spare! More here: Ring, ring. Ring, ring.
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 2, 2020 20:01:27 GMT
TallPaul I'll bear that in mind if the country goes into lockdown for coronavirus!
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Post by vabbian on Mar 3, 2020 22:58:02 GMT
I suspect the clips online of his previous Ring Cycle in Hannover from 2011 may not reassure you Oh good god Why can't these directors just stick to the source material. They are so indulgent and self-important coming up with this sh*te. Give us our full gods and goddesses FANTASY Modernity has no place in opera
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Post by Mr Snow on Mar 4, 2020 14:16:07 GMT
Lebrecht/Papanno full interview here. beta.spectator.co.uk/article/antonio-pappano-on-diversity-a-new-ring-cycle-and-defending-verdi-from-dodgy-directorsFWIW Papanno is absolutely right, the sound in the Slips is at least as good as anywhere else in the theatre. I've had so many happy nights up there. Used to go A LOT. There was a real community of people who went every night Tickets were about £2 (1980's). I remember Jeremy Issacs moaning that he'd tried to introduce more affordable seats but they were inevitably snapped up by the same few people. One of my happy memories was in the Upper Slips watching Il Trovatore with some up and coming singers named Carreras, Lloyd and Mattila. At the curtain call the Lady next to me produced a box and from it showered the Tenor with Red Carnations- No thorns?) at his curtain call. The next time I went the regulars informed me that it was his wife! Now when revisiting an revived production, or sometimes to see it twice in one run we tend to join Les Enfants du Paradise. It is rare that you can't easily see the front half of the stage where most of the action will take place.Best value Theatre tickets in London.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 19, 2020 18:35:43 GMT
Many of you probably know her already, but in grim times like these it's such a joy to watch Anna Russell's brilliant and hysterically funny analysis of Der Ring
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