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Post by ctas on Jun 11, 2019 4:45:15 GMT
I don’t know for certain but I’ve never seen a standing ovation at the ROH, they have multiple red runs where you can show appreciation and flower throws for special occasions. Lately I’ve seen a few people stand and just imagined it’s annoying as then the people behind have to stand just to see.
Have to agree with Mr Sondheim and his comments at the NT recently, mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Post by frankubelik on Jun 11, 2019 6:36:42 GMT
I will only give a standing ovation when I think it is truly deserved (rare for me) but increasingly find myself having to do so just to see the curtain call! SOs have become the norm these days which is regretful.
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Post by missthelma on Jun 11, 2019 10:39:28 GMT
There's nothing rude about a standing ovation. It's a show of appreciation. You may be blocking people behind you but from what? The show's over, people have come out to bow, nothing else is actually happening or am I missing something? Sometimes they do those horrible reprises of a number from the show but really if you're not standing up you probably aren't that bothered. Mid show ovations are still thankfully rare but would block people, usually a more isolated thing though?
The fact that ovations are now de rigueur is a separate issue!
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Post by tmesis on Jun 11, 2019 10:48:38 GMT
Well sadanon standing ovations at ROH are extremely rare. There was quite an extensive one at the end of the recent Ring Cycle and even that surprised me as I had never witnessed one before in the many other complete cycles I've seen. I've been going to ROH for over 40 years and probably attended in that time around 400 - 500 or so performances of both operas and ballets. I can't ever recall it happening at the ballet and even when Pavarotti, Caballe, Domingo, Carreras or Sutherland sang it never happened, but this was obviously many years ago and elsewhere ovations are now two a penny.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 10:54:01 GMT
If it's the Ring Cycle, I bet you a fiver that at least 80% of those standing were just seizing their earliest opportunity to stretch their legs rather than feeling the need to express any sort of admiration.
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Post by lynette on Jun 11, 2019 12:56:55 GMT
Nothing to do with being British. He was simply a rude old silly self important man in any nationality. So sorry you had to put up with that. Opera standings as been said much less common that musicals or v serious plays.
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Post by gibbo1956 on Jun 11, 2019 14:42:54 GMT
The problem I have with the ROH is that the applause just goes on and on. Then out-of- towners get up to catch their train (fair enough) and it gets a bit embarrassing as half of us are clapping ourselves sore and half are putting their coats on. (I have a very low embarrassment threshold) Think I'd rather have a big lot of applause (even a bit of standing) and then get on my way. Tell you what does irk me... clapping starting before the last note has died away. Very rude.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 17:23:41 GMT
Struggling to see where the racism comes into this sadanon...? The problem I have with the ROH is that the applause just goes on and on. Then out-of- towners get up to catch their train (fair enough) and it gets a bit embarrassing as half of us are clapping ourselves sore and half are putting their coats on. (I have a very low embarrassment threshold) Think I'd rather have a big lot of applause (even a bit of standing) and then get on my way. Tell you what does irk me... clapping starting before the last note has died away. Very rude.I'd been 'brought up' under the premise that to start clapping before the song has completely ended (diminished) was a sign of appreciation, where you were applauding under compulsion, almost subconsciously. In musical theatre atleast. At classical concerts (and opera) it's form to wait for every note to diminish completely and the conductor to rest before applauding.
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Post by xanady on Jun 11, 2019 20:07:07 GMT
sadanon,if this ‘gentleman’ poked you deliberately it is assault in law.Not acceptable!
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Post by paulbrownsey on Jun 13, 2019 18:53:12 GMT
So I went to see an opera at the Royal Opera House, and greatly enjoyed the performance. So towards the end of the curtain call, when the main characters came out, I was tempted to give a standing ovation. I looked around, and saw a few people giving standing ovation, so gave a standing ovation myself. Even before the curtain call ended, roughly 30 seconds afterwards, an old man sitting behind me poked me. Because of the applause I could not clearly hear him, but I thought he said something like “What are you doing?”, and since that is such a rude thing to say, thought that I was mistaken. So I said “Sorry?” and he said, “Sit down.” I was dumbfounded but nevertheless sat down. Then after the curtain call ended and the audience left the theatre, and I met the same old man in the queue to the exit. He said, “Why were you standing?” in an aggressive way, so I replied, “You do realise that standing ovation is a form of showing appreciation and”—I couldn’t finish what I was saying as he interrupted by saying “No. It is not. You were blocking my view. What were you thinking?” And so I tried to tell him that there were other people who stood up during curtain call as well, but he insisted that I was wrong, there is no such thing as standing ovation, and that he was angry because I blocked his view. When I told him that the way he talked to me was rude, he said that “It was meant to be.” I want to ask if it is indeed inappropriate to give standing ovation in ROH- I am not british, so I am unsure whether standing ovations are indeed forbidden in the uk opera scene as he said, or if he was just a rude racist guy. Please tell me your thoughts! I am surprised you cannot see that standing ovations are very selfish and inconsiderate, since they prevent people behind seeing the cast taking their bows (and sometimes prevent the people behind from seeing the finale, too), unless they stand as well. Who are you to compel others to stand if they want to see the finale?
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Post by paulbrownsey on Jun 13, 2019 18:55:16 GMT
Nothing to do with being British. He was simply a rude old silly self important man in any nationality. So sorry you had to put up with that. Opera standings as been said much less common that musicals or v serious plays. The self-important people are the ones who stand to applaud and thereby treat the people in the seats behind with contempt, forcing them to stand as well if they want to see the bows/finale. Standing ovations were, unfortunately, encouraged on those TV talent shows because it was thought to be 'good television' to see a whole audience rising to their feet.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Jun 13, 2019 18:57:08 GMT
People giving a standing ovation doesn’t overly bother me, it’s the people at the end whooping and whistling between their fingers, that I have a problem with - why do people feel the need to do that, especially the latter as it goes right through my head? The shriekers are just as inconsiderate as they standing-ovationers. In both cases, they are thinking only of demonstrating their own feelings and not giving a damn about the members of the audience around them or behind them.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Jun 13, 2019 18:59:37 GMT
There's nothing rude about a standing ovation. It's a show of appreciation. You may be blocking people behind you but from what? The show's over, people have come out to bow, nothing else is actually happening or am I missing something? Sometimes they do those horrible reprises of a number from the show but really if you're not standing up you probably aren't that bothered. Mid show ovations are still thankfully rare but would block people, usually a more isolated thing though? The fact that ovations are now de rigueur is a separate issue! They ARE rude, in that they show no consideration for the people behind but force them to stand, too, if they want to see the performers taking their bows. And sometimes the poor people behind have to stand, too, to see the finale. You're awfully selfish, aren't you? And what you you say about "nothing else...actually happening" is just self-serving flannel to cover your own selfishness.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Jun 13, 2019 19:00:44 GMT
I tend to save it for spectacular performances, however, I do find myself reluctantly standing if people have done so in front of me just so I’m not aimlessly looking at their bottoms and can see what’s happening on the stage. Well, yes. Standing-ovationers are so selfish with their 'look at me applauding' thing.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Jun 13, 2019 19:02:10 GMT
Oh please don't get certain people started on this again, I feel like it is a topic that has been done to death on various threads here... Anyway, my view on it is simple - if you feel the show is worthy of a standing ovation in your personal opinion, then give one if you want to. If you don't, then don't. Whether a show "warrants" that sort of reaction is and always will be entirely subjective and what everyone else around you feels about the show is irrelevant - plenty of people stood when I saw Company but I didn't overly like the production, so I didn't. My prerogative. The people sitting beside me didn't stand at A German Life, I did. Their prerogative and mine! It's nothing more complicated than that, and there's certainly no "should" involved, unless you choose to make it that. If people feel they have to stand up, that's nothing more than a personal choice on their part, no-one is forcing them to do it. "if you feel the show is worthy of a standing ovation in your personal opinion, then give one if you want to. " Consideration for other people--the people behind you--should obviously play no part.
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Post by andrew on Jun 13, 2019 19:21:51 GMT
To anyone that will visit this thread:
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Post by xanady on Jun 13, 2019 19:25:20 GMT
My opinion on this is............nah,I’ll visit the never-ending marketing/casting debate on the 200 pages of the Waitress thread instead...much less stressful lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 21:04:51 GMT
Is there a way to put someone on ignore on the mobile version of the forum or do I have to log in on a desktop? Should have done it ages ago but I foolishly assumed the last round of tiresome spamming on the subject was the end of it all...
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jun 13, 2019 23:25:19 GMT
Having seen the Bridge's Midsummer Night's Dream this evening I will no longer be giving standing ovations.
Instead I will be throwing giant silver beach balls at the cast whilst dancing furiously.
It's theatre, I don't make the rules.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 14, 2019 6:58:00 GMT
Is there a way to put someone on ignore on the mobile version of the forum or do I have to log in on a desktop? Should have done it ages ago but I foolishly assumed the last round of tiresome spamming on the subject was the end of it all... You have to use the desktop version. Profile/Edit Profile/Privacy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 9:59:54 GMT
If you don't have access to a PC, you can scroll to the bottom of the mobile version of the forum and tap on the word Desktop on the black bar at the bottom, that will give you the desktop version right there on your phone. You'll probably need to zoom in a lot but it's workable, and then you can scroll to the bottom and switch back to the Mobile Version easily enough once you're done.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 14, 2019 13:07:57 GMT
The shriekers are just as inconsiderate Oh, those who whoop are way worse - particularly mid-show after a song. Or whooping at some ridiculous and pointless “riffing” thereby encouraging the riffer to do it even more 😡
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Post by joem on Jun 14, 2019 13:47:03 GMT
My last standing ovation was probably for Maggie Smith but I justified that as being a tribute to her great career rather than her very good performance in a fairly average play.
I may have stood 10 times or so in the past 40 years.
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Post by xanady on Jun 14, 2019 18:10:25 GMT
Being very tall and often squashed into impossible angles with zero leg room,I try to go for as many SO’s per show as possible.Ooooh,me poor knees...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 14, 2019 19:18:37 GMT
I like to get my 6’3 frame up on my feet ASAP, and deffo before the final note is played. And quite often will save time by swinging my big flappy coat around me, extravagantly getting my arms into it, successfully, blocking the view of entire swathes of people behind me. Let’s face it if they’re THAT bothered about seeing the finale they’ll get up, or just peer round me. I don’t see a problem 🙂 (Shhh don’t tell paulbrownsey 🤫)
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