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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 20:38:36 GMT
Just such a fascinating musical. To change and evolve so much yet to have such glorious parts in all versions. Even Chess doesn't come close to all the chopping and changing that went on here.
Wish the 2nd Prince Edward version had also been recorded!
Though never saw the Watermill version so no idea how it's changed again since the WYP tour.
Still find it utterly bizarre to use the alternate in the OLC (stunning though she sounds - but what a snub for the leading lady).
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 19, 2022 20:41:12 GMT
The problem with any retelling of this story is how to create tension when we already know the essence of the story.
Of the versions I have seen, I do prefer the original which I saw very early on in the run. It felt better than the rather heavy handed focus on the conflict between Catholic and Protestant communities which came to the fore with the earlier reworkings.
But they have never found a way to build real tension into the musical.
There is a lot of good music to be salvaged.
But the plot is a harder but to crack
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 21:18:23 GMT
Saw a version at the Goodman Theater in Chicago on the 90s and was blown away by it all. Longest-lasting memory is of the cast foot-stomping in the opening musical number and the sheer power of a simple gesture done in unison.
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Post by ceebee on Sept 19, 2022 21:49:21 GMT
Whilst I’m with Ceebee in my love & respect for ‘Martin Guerre’, I do not wish to hear the score played/augmented/bolstered/butchered by a machine that will make it sound like an ice cream van has just entered the cul-de-sac or I’m about to get on a Blackpool carousel horse. I think the original intro would sound great in ice-cream van chimes...
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Post by max on Sept 20, 2022 21:55:12 GMT
As long as they don't restore the prominence of the sex obsessed elder village women, and the lad singing songs to a corn dolly. I saw the West End version when it opened, and then the version after it closed for readjustments and reopened. Just watched a bit of archive on youtube and lyrics landed very four-square on too much 4/4 time, leaving lots of time to guess rhymes which always takes you out of it.
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Sept 21, 2022 12:02:00 GMT
Hmm. While I loved some of the changes made for the second recording, I much prefer the orchestral sweep of the original. As many have said, the story lacks a certain dramatic tension.
The Jim Carey movie The Majestic is a partial update of the legend of MG (it’s set in the 50s in the aftermath of WW2) and I wonder if this might actually make a better musical; although not critically acclaimed at the time it’s actually a great little movie & is well worth checking out.
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Post by ceebee on Sept 21, 2022 12:49:08 GMT
As long as they don't restore the prominence of the sex obsessed elder village women, and the lad singing songs to a corn dolly. I saw the West End version when it opened, and then the version after it closed for readjustments and reopened. Just watched a bit of archive on youtube and lyrics landed very four-square on too much 4/4 time, leaving lots of time to guess rhymes which always takes you out of it. The burning of Louison used to make me cry. (Or at least the superb acting of Sebastien Torkia did when he was playing Benoit.) The three old crones can do one though.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 21, 2022 15:10:26 GMT
Hmm. While I loved some of the changes made for the second recording, I much prefer the orchestral sweep of the original. As many have said, the story lacks a certain dramatic tension. The Jim Carey movie The Majestic is a partial update of the legend of MG (it’s set in the 50s in the aftermath of WW2) and I wonder if this might actually make a better musical; although not critically acclaimed at the time it’s actually a great little movie & is well worth checking out. Sommersby too, of course.
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Post by danb on Sept 21, 2022 18:11:04 GMT
Hmm. While I loved some of the changes made for the second recording, I much prefer the orchestral sweep of the original. As many have said, the story lacks a certain dramatic tension. The Jim Carey movie The Majestic is a partial update of the legend of MG (it’s set in the 50s in the aftermath of WW2) and I wonder if this might actually make a better musical; although not critically acclaimed at the time it’s actually a great little movie & is well worth checking out. Sommersby too, of course. How do you know? HOW DO YOU KNOW? I knaww becosh I never lurved him tha way that ah lurve you. Awwww Sommersby.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 22, 2022 11:05:46 GMT
Seems to be at the Old Vic theatre according to the rumour mill, with Matthew Warchus directing
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Post by ceebee on Sept 22, 2022 14:12:50 GMT
Seems to be at the Old Vic theatre according to the rumour mill, with Matthew Warchus directing Apparently it has been workshopped recently at the OV (further up the thread). Though don't be surprised if it appears in the RSC repertoire for the 2024 season... You heard it here first.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 22, 2022 18:30:16 GMT
There’s a rumour circulating around the thread that it’s going to the Old Vic in 2024. *taps nose*
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Post by ceebee on Sept 22, 2022 19:52:15 GMT
There’s a rumour circulating around the thread that it’s going to the Old Vic in 2024. *taps nose* I really hope so. I love this show so much, I'll happily go and see it in the Dog and Duck pub if it's on!
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Post by theatrefan62 on Nov 10, 2022 21:11:25 GMT
Has anyone heard more from the workshops? Who was involved cast wise? And anything more on a possibly production? Desperate to see a production of this
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 10, 2022 23:51:37 GMT
The Old Vic is doing this. I’m sure I said that on here over a year ago?
They’ve been workshopping it for quite a while now. A bold move as I’m not sure it would have mass appeal.
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Post by showtoones on Nov 11, 2022 0:00:29 GMT
The Old Vic is doing this. I’m sure I said that on here over a year ago? They’ve been workshopping it for quite a while now. A bold move as I’m not sure it would have mass appeal. Will this be their Christmas musical next year Mr. B?
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Post by og on Nov 11, 2022 7:59:25 GMT
The Old Vic is doing this. I’m sure I said that on here over a year ago? They’ve been workshopping it for quite a while now. A bold move as I’m not sure it would have mass appeal. Will this be their Christmas musical next year Mr. B? Licks finger, holds it up to the wind. It'll be A Christmas Carol.
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Post by Being Alive on Nov 11, 2022 12:00:03 GMT
...it is indeed Christmas Carol. It makes them a fortune every year so I get why they continue to do it.
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Post by theatrenewbie on Nov 11, 2022 12:36:33 GMT
So is this musical if Martin guerre a couple have said is going into the coliseum? Or have I got my wires crossed.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 11, 2022 13:25:21 GMT
So is this musical if Martin guerre a couple have said is going into the coliseum? Or have I got my wires crossed. Have you not read above? It’s going to the Old Vic. I BELIEVE early 2024. Groundhog Day is returning there autumn next year.
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Post by ceebee on Nov 11, 2022 13:52:23 GMT
So is this musical if Martin guerre a couple have said is going into the coliseum? Or have I got my wires crossed. My coliseum comment was wishful thinking. Too big a venue and not enough demand to fill it. A short run at the Old Vic will do very nicely. I don't see A Christmas Carol making way for it though - it's selling well this year.
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Post by showtoones on Nov 11, 2022 22:07:49 GMT
They already know A Christmas Carol is going to be at the Old Vic in Dec 2023? Wow...
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 12, 2022 0:00:23 GMT
They already know A Christmas Carol is going to be at the Old Vic in Dec 2023? Wow... I’m not sure that’s necessarily true. I’ve heard Groundhog Day will have a longer than usual run , through to January 24.
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Post by Jon on Nov 12, 2022 0:19:03 GMT
I'm sure A Christmas Carol could go to another regional venue or even the West End, they have a set in the US which is made for touring which could be shipped over here.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Nov 12, 2022 4:37:07 GMT
They already know A Christmas Carol is going to be at the Old Vic in Dec 2023? Wow... Not really a surprise if true. Theatres often plan scheduling pretty far in advance, pantos for next year will be sorted by now for most venues across country.
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Post by topaz on Apr 27, 2023 16:15:39 GMT
Very sorry to bump this without anything new to offer myself - but has anyone heard any more tidbits about this recently?
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Post by cezbear on Apr 27, 2023 18:17:56 GMT
Very sorry to bump this without anything new to offer myself - but has anyone heard any more tidbits about this recently?
Go sit in the sin bin for making my heart leap when I saw the thread title!
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Post by topaz on Apr 27, 2023 18:23:24 GMT
Very sorry to bump this without anything new to offer myself - but has anyone heard any more tidbits about this recently?
Go sit in the sin bin for making my heart leap when I saw the thread title!
Ha! I’m sorry - I did seriously question the morality of doing so, and obviously my heart leapt in turn when I saw your reply, so I suppose I’ve been adequately punished.
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Post by ceebee on Apr 27, 2023 21:47:14 GMT
Who are the imposters here? I thought we had bona fide news on next season's production.
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 27, 2023 22:44:19 GMT
Entire 2024 season up in the air I believe. Lots of things moving around. Definitely not locked in
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