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Post by lynette on Feb 27, 2021 13:10:19 GMT
Am confused, Kevin, as to why William would not have support when he becomes king. He has a wife and kids and quite pleasant relatives. Chances are Camilla will be alive. No king or Queen has older sibling alive, that’s the nature of the job.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Feb 27, 2021 13:13:54 GMT
I have to admit it amuses me that Harry and Meghan landed a huge Netflix deal when William’s attempts to pitch to Netflix were unsuccessful. You see, that it the end goal for a lot of people. They want them to get divorced. That is why they are purposely making their married life difficult. I don’t think that’s true at all. There was overwhelming support for Harry and Meghan from the moment they announced their engagement. I accept the press have been tough on them after the initial wave of excitement passed, but that is part of public life - and let’s be honest, Meghan’s family is the gift that keeps on giving. Come on, of course that’s not true. Meghan was bullied and smeared and subjected to racial abuse from the very first second their relationship became public. The racism was so bad Harry had to make a statement about it. One of my relatives used to work at Mumsnet and the extreme hate against Meghan in the run up to the wedding was so bad, they had people monitoring it 24/7. Posters using the N word, sockpuppeting, telling the most insane lies about Meghan, getting banned and creating new accounts, starting literally dozens of threads. Just to promote hate for some woman who’d had the audacity to get engaged to a white prince. |
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Post by lynette on Feb 27, 2021 13:22:02 GMT
I am horrified at the racial persecution of this woman. Obviously we don't know the half of it. But it wasn’t most people, most of us who had seen him grow up and even people who considered him very special, ‘our boy’ for whom no woman would be good enough. No, most people were either quite jolly about it or indifferent. I think the press should have had a good look at themselves, been more proactively ‘for’ her. They have done themselves out of a lifetime of stories and crowd pleasing photographs.
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Post by theatreian on Feb 27, 2021 15:39:03 GMT
I guess the bottom line is most find it sad that what was so promising for the future ( The Fab Four) will not now be happening. I have nothing against the decision Harry made, but it is the way he has gone about it and the lack of respect for the Monarchy where all his success and monetary reward will come from( not directly but the reason his projects will happen).
The Queen and others have shown what real Duty is and how to act graciously.
I do wish Harry well though and hope he doesn't live to regret what he has done.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 27, 2021 16:47:31 GMT
The whole thing is so sad. It felt so refreshing having Meghan as a member of the Royal Family. I hate the pile on that they seem to inspire , but I can’t help feeling at this point, that all they want is money and they have embarrassed the royal family.
Sad to say but I think Meghan represents the very worst things about modern American celebrity - self obsession, hypocritical ‘wokeness’ and greed. I particularly loved them lecturing us on flying and global warming, as they fly private jets everywhere.
I have a horrible feeling Harry is going to severely regret the whole thing.
Good riddance.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Feb 27, 2021 16:58:38 GMT
If William’s so desperate for Harry’s “support” he shouldn’t have used Harry as a whipping boy. Doing things like publicly snubbing/blanking Meghan, staging cheesy pap stunts like the budget airline one to hypocritically score points and make Harry look bad, and almost certainly leaking info to the press about Harry (even if William wasn’t personally involved in the leaks, which is unlikely, he didn’t act when the leakers on his team were exposed as taking tabloid payments), none of these things are the actions of a loving brother.
It’s shameful the way none of the family lifted a finger to defend Meghan or protect her from the press racism and lies, considering how aggressively the defend Kate from even stupid stories about hair, how Sophie and Andrew were publicly supported when their actions were far worse, not to mention how efficiently the Rose Hanbury story has been suppressed.
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Post by sph on Feb 27, 2021 17:22:25 GMT
Saying that William won't have enough familial support or that there aren't enough working members of the family is making a drama out of nothing really. He'll have his wife and children and the various many other relatives. The Royals are largely ceremonial, they can cover everything with what they've got. They always have. And they have a ton of senior staff and secretaries and advisors making sure the whole thing runs like a well-oiled machined. It'll be fine. The Queen only had one sibling and she was rather fond of the high society lifestyle, although she never stepped away from the family. Then the Queen's children came along and there was a whole new generation of working Royals, as will happen with William's children.
All a lot of fuss and pearl-clutching over nothing.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 27, 2021 17:29:13 GMT
“We want to get away from the press and the media spotlight. Where should we move to?”
“LA!”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 20:45:27 GMT
The whole thing is so sad. It felt so refreshing having Meghan as a member of the Royal Family. I hate the pile on that they seem to inspire , but I can’t help feeling at this point, that all they want is money and they have embarrassed the royal family. Sad to say but I think Meghan represents the very worst things about modern American celebrity - self obsession, hypocritical ‘wokeness’ and greed. I particularly loved them lecturing us on flying and global warming, as they fly private jets everywhere. I have a horrible feeling Harry is going to severely regret the whole thing. Good riddance. I'm afraid this is my view as well. I thought Meghan was a breath of fresh air when their relationship first became knowledge, and the amount of vitriol she received and the racist abuse aimed at her was disgusting. But I find the way they have gone about leaving the Royal Family to be hypocritical to say the least - they did leave for privacy, that was the reason they gave. Yet now they are sharing more than ever and making millions from it, and seem increasingly desperate to stay relevant. Frankly I find their behaviour embarrassing, in the same way I find the likes of the Kardashians embarrassing. It's nothing to do with their connections to the Royal Family, which for me is a hopelessly outdated and out of touch institution that William & Kate are doing their best to save, along with Anne and Sophie Wessex, but simply to do with what comes across to me as a very calculated and concerted attempt to be the biggest celebrities they can be, which is at odds from their supposed longing for privacy and normality. |
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Post by sph on Feb 27, 2021 21:13:27 GMT
Saying that William won't have enough familial support or that there aren't enough working members of the family is making a drama out of nothing really. He'll have his wife and children and the various many other relatives. The Royals are largely ceremonial, they can cover everything with what they've got. They always have. And they have a ton of senior staff and secretaries and advisors making sure the whole thing runs like a well-oiled machined. It'll be fine. The Queen only had one sibling and she was rather fond of the high society lifestyle, although she never stepped away from the family. Then the Queen's children came along and there was a whole new generation of working Royals, as will happen with William's children. All a lot of fuss and pearl-clutching over nothing. I don’t clutch pearls - I’m more into crown jewels. I don't mean you specifically, I just mean it's a silly thing for so many people to worry about when it really won't affect anything that much. Plus, the Royal family has always had its scandals from one century to the next. It's all part of the overall tapestry. As people remember Edward VIII's abdication as history, a few generations from now there will be a drama series or film about "Harry - The Celebrity Prince who married an actress and ran away from it all". |
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 27, 2021 22:14:40 GMT
Good luck to them if they are making millions off their own back. At least we are not paying for an accident of birth out of our pay checks anymore, like some others.
What they do with their lives is up to them, as long as we are not paying for it.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 28, 2021 8:54:26 GMT
Harry's sound.
He said he left the UK because the press intrusion was affecting him and his families mental health. Good luck to him, as a young father he's done what's right by his wife and family and for that he's got to be applauded.
Mental health doesn't give a care whether you're rich or poor or part of the family.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 28, 2021 9:47:20 GMT
The headlines they are generating now are far more negative than anything that was written before they decided to move to the US.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 28, 2021 12:51:29 GMT
Some people have very short memories. Or perhaps they just haven’t paid much attention in the past to the media’s treatment of Harry.
A reminder that he has hated the press for a long time before he even met his wife:
Some of the reasons why he hated them include - and this is just off the top of my head -
1) his parents divorce being treated like a soap opera
2) his mother being chased by papparazzi before dying in a car crash
3) said paparazzi taking pictures of her dying on the back seat of the car
4) said photos being sent to British newspapers for publication, because the paparazzi had working relationships with those newspapers
5) the negative feeding frenzy around his family in the aftermath of his mother’s death, which led to him being trotted out for public appearances while grieving his mother’s death
6) years of false stories and conspiracy theories about his dead mother
7) the tabloids hiring private investigators to identify, stalk, and hack into the phone of his teenage girlfriends
8) the tabloids hacking his mobile phone and his laptop, and publishing stories based on the material stolen from them
9) the tabloids publishing false stories about him that they claimed were based on interviews with his schoolfriends
10) the tabloids setting honey traps for him to try and catch him buying drugs
11) the tabloids claiming he had a drug problem - even though the honey traps failed and he was not using drugs
12) the tabloids turning a fancy dress costume into a front-page scandal
13) persistent untrue insinuations about his paternity
14) the tabloids plotting to steal his hair so they could test his DNA for a paternity test
15) the tabloids publishing pictures of him naked
16) the tabloids leaking details about his military service in Afghanistan, creating a security risk which meant it has to be cut short
And that’s all before Meghan came on the scene.
He had a very brief period where they were writing positive stories about the Invictus Games and his military service and charity work, but at the time that was happening they were also calling Kate Middleton a social climber and calling her and William lazy, so they were effectively playing positive coverage about him off against negative coverage of his brother. Because that is what they do with the Royals - they pit them against each other for public affection. Negative coverage of Harry’s supposed drug problem facilitated positive coverage of a publicity stunt with Charles taking him to visit a rehab centre. It has been noted by many that negative coverage of Meghan and Harry served as a distraction from far more serious news about Prince Andrew. It’s likely that many of the ‘sources’ for the petty negative stories about them are within the Royal Family PR team, as a deliberate media strategy to keep more serious negative stories of other members of the family away from the front pages.
It’s all a game to the tabloids - they don’t care what effect they have on the relationships and well-being of the people they target. In fact they are happy when people and relationships fall apart under the strain of it.
I personally cannot fathom why anyone would actively hope for someone else to be miserable and have their marriage break down, but it seems many here have a sadistic streak. No doubt that reflects why tabloid stories sell as well as they do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 13:31:38 GMT
kathryn I'm sorry but the tone of your last post is out of order. People are allowed to be critical and to have a different opinion than you. The only one throwing insults around here is you. You seem to think Harry and Meghan are saints and should be treated as such. That is your prerogative, but we don't all have to think the same. The vast majority of the criticism of them in the last couple of pages of this thread has been measured and reasoned, and there is no call for you to label us as sadists for daring to criticise. And frankly your viewpoint baffles me - it defies all logic that anyone who really hates the press as much as Harry should then decide to court them as much as he has. Pretty much none of what the press has published can or should be condoned, but that doesn't mean Harry's conduct in getting paid mega bucks to chat to Oprah and court the celebrity lifestyle has to be applauded either. He said he wanted privacy but he is actively seeking the opposite and choosing to share. He can't have his cake and eat it.
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 28, 2021 15:08:57 GMT
People forget what an entitled, privileged Pr**k he was as a younger man - the Swing Low rugger guy, the banging babes guy, the drink/drugs West End clubbing set ...the army eventually started to straighten him out. May have been the first time he spent time with real, normal people. Not the end of the world becasue many of us have embarrassing immature periods.
What I'm never sure about with him is whether he's just changed mentors again - the young man with his Bullingdon-type set, the responsible army/family/Invictus guy, the dutiful consort of queen Megan ... just don't know, though he does seem to respond to the ethic of the group he falls in with.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 28, 2021 17:05:02 GMT
I met H&M through their work with the mental health crisis support line SHOUT 85258. His commitment to that was genuine. So I do not doubt his sincerity on that topic.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 28, 2021 17:46:29 GMT
People forget what an entitled, privileged Pr**k he was as a younger man - the Swing Low rugger guy, the banging babes guy, the drink/drugs West End clubbing set ...the army eventually started to straighten him out. May have been the first time he spent time with real, normal people. Not the end of the world becasue many of us have embarrassing immature periods. What I'm never sure about with him is whether he's just changed mentors again - the young man with his Bullingdon-type set, the responsible army/family/Invictus guy, the dutiful consort of queen Megan ... just don't know, though he does seem to respond to the ethic of the group he falls in with. That's a bit harsh |
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Post by theatreian on Mar 1, 2021 14:49:51 GMT
First look at the Oprah interview! Supposed to be shown here next Monday 8th.
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Post by marob on Mar 1, 2021 16:43:04 GMT
I know it’s only a promo piece but I hate the way the US networks edit any kind or factual or reality TV. It’s an interview with Oprah, but they’ve got music like Jack Bauer’s having a shootout against some terrorists. Ridiculous.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 1, 2021 18:59:16 GMT
“We don’t want to be in the media spotlight! What should we do?”
”Go on Oprah!”
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Mar 1, 2021 19:11:38 GMT
I know it’s only a promo piece but I hate the way the US networks edit any kind or factual or reality TV. It’s an interview with Oprah, but they’ve got music like Jack Bauer’s having a shootout against some terrorists. Ridiculous. If I was drinking tea, I would be spitting it out in laughter! The US networks can be a bit extra  |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Mar 1, 2021 20:07:08 GMT
“We don’t want to be in the media spotlight! What should we do?” ”Go on Oprah!” 🙄 The are full of contradictions but I find a lot of broken people are |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Mar 1, 2021 22:22:17 GMT
When have they ever said they don’t want to be in the spotlight?
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Post by princeton on Mar 1, 2021 22:40:04 GMT
The Mail Online, the paper which has for quite some time peddled the line that they are nothing more than publicity seekers and shouldn't be given the time of day, is currently running 11 different articles about them - all off the back of a 30 second trailer!!
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