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Post by crowblack on Jan 6, 2023 17:24:04 GMT
Harry in America no different from any other famous person. What he can do with himself though? He's not creatively talented, as far as I'm aware, he's not an actor or a musician, he doesn't have the charisma or pouty looks of a famous for being famous reality star, he can't go into US politics, can't work for something like an animal/eco charity, having spent so much of his life hunting them, and he seems to have burned his boats with the UK institutions he was connected to through his social class and military service.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 6, 2023 18:28:23 GMT
He and Meghan are senior leadership for Archewell archewell.com/about/It’s a management position, essentially - strategic decisions about the direction the company should take. He’ll be an executive producer on Archewell productions - they have a whole partnership with Netflix to produce programming and Spotify to produce podcasts. Exec producers are not necessarily creative themselves, they are often more about persuading creative people to partner with them and jump on board. It’s a lot of networking - which he is obviously very good at. They’ve already demonstrated what they call ‘convening power’ with the Global Citizen vaccine effort. Multiple people who worked on the campaign said that their ability to get big companies to agree to sit down for a meeting was pivotal. Live to Lead is an example of that www.netflix.com/gb/title/81406763They are co-producers - they struck a deal to get involved once the production was already conceived and under way. Their profile was valuable to the production and that is primarily what they have contributed to it. archewell.com/productions/archewell.com/audio/He is also CIO of Better Up: www.betterup.com/en-gb/about-us/leadership-team/prince-harry-the-duke-of-sussexAgain, part of his job there is his profile, bringing attention to the company. And of course he is still involved with the Invictus Games and Africa Parks and Travalyst and Sentebale, which were pre-existing. How many jobs does one man need? People seem to have this weird thing of not recognising how successful he has been in his career. The reason that he can still be involved with Invictus Games and Travalyst and Sentebale and Africa Parks is that they were not ‘Royal’ projects - they were not ‘engagements’ that he carried out on behalf of the Crown. They were his own projects. And his Army career - he really was commanding missions, he really did have responsibility, he really did earn his rank. He has transferable skills just like any other veteran.
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 6, 2023 19:27:39 GMT
Well, he's cornered the market in post-Royals being able to do everything Royal can't. How long before he's advertising manscaping products on US tv.
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Post by sukhavati on Jan 6, 2023 19:46:32 GMT
You're right. I don't understand why his mother doesn't have a chat with him about that "hot temper", a few empathetic words from the right person might help. Oh staaaaaaahhhhhp!
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Post by sukhavati on Jan 6, 2023 20:11:46 GMT
Several ex military on the radio this morning saying that talking about who/how many people you’ve killed is simply not done. It’s not a badge of honour. I agree. It seems crass and desperate. This just naturally falls into the "don't make a spectacle of yourself" school of what it means to be British. Not that I'm conflating the men, but what were the popular press saying about TE Lawrence when he was still alive and perhaps active in the field?
Harry apparently was paid a $20 million advance on his memoir. With an American publisher, there was no way that it was going to be some book of hazy, golden reflections. He was most likely contractually obliged to make intimate revelations. I think The Telegraph mentioned that the manuscript was sent back twice to Harry for revisions prior to HM's death, due to him not sharing enough intimate detail.
Andrew certainly spoke of his Falkland experience in interviews. In America there was a memoir by one of the Navy SEALS who killed Osama bin Laden. In my grandparent's day, combat pilots kept count of their kills and toting up a certain number made them aces. Look at old photographs of combat planes and see the small enemy flags painted on the side. Each flag represents a confirmed kill. It wasn't considered crass, it was a point of patriotism and pride.
Unless Hugh Jackman is lurking somewhere on this board, I don't think any of us are going to be able to claim a $20mm advance on our life story. Harry's got a $14mm mortgage for the sake of living in a protected, private community. In that sense, how is it different from his family's estates around the UK? He and his wife have been able to leverage their names to do it on their own. More power to them.
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Post by mkb on Jan 6, 2023 21:55:03 GMT
The Daily Mail front page today was hilarious. I think the headline was something like "Please Spare Us!" followed, it was promised, by 17 pages inside of their readers not being spared.
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Post by mkb on Jan 6, 2023 22:04:30 GMT
... also worth underlining the point already made that, contrary to today's coordinated media narrative, it is actually pretty common for ex-military personnel to reveal how many people they killed on service, in interviews, in books and in casual conversation. One rarely senses that they are fully comfortable with what they did. Sometimes when you hear a soldier talk about their sense of duty and it being the right thing to have done, you wonder if its themselves they are trying to justify it to, for the sake of their own sanity.
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Post by lynette on Jan 6, 2023 22:15:06 GMT
Harry has stuck a huge target on his back. This won’t end well. Please, please may I be wrong
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Post by sweets7 on Jan 6, 2023 22:45:50 GMT
It’s very worrying really. How will he cope with the reaction from this. Needs money I guess.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 6, 2023 22:57:49 GMT
Several prominent military officers, nothing to do with Harry have said he should not have said what he did and the way it was said. He has been so poorly advised as to wording etc in areas of his book.
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Post by crowblack on Jan 7, 2023 0:04:25 GMT
How many jobs does one man need? Well, we'll see. I think he has rather thrown away a lot of his USP with this.
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Post by sukhavati on Jan 7, 2023 9:09:21 GMT
The Daily Mail front page today was hilarious. I think the headline was something like "Please Spare Us!" followed, it was promised, by 17 pages inside of their readers not being spared. That is funny. But I've been thinking that this circus of over-hyped outrage is effectively distracting from important things. The Tory MPs quoted in the DM telling Harry to shut up. Why don't they shut up and start working on the cost of living crisis, ending the rolling strikes, bringing inflation down, et al? After all, the DM is the de facto mouthpiece of the Tory establishment, albeit a vulgar mouthpiece. It's classic misdirection, screaming headlines at one target, helping the easily distracted reader forget that the government is still effectively doing nothing to make things better for struggling families.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 7, 2023 9:23:47 GMT
Several prominent military officers, nothing to do with Harry have said he should not have said what he did and the way it was said. He has been so poorly advised as to wording etc in areas of his book. Except they were not actually reacting to his wording in the book, they were reacting to press headlines. Which were based on the quickest possible translation of the Spanish-language edition they could make and then spun further to make him look as bad as possible. For the record, Peter Hunt has now gotten hold of the actual passage in the English edition:
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Post by kathryn on Jan 7, 2023 9:34:03 GMT
How many jobs does one man need? Well, we'll see. I think he has rather thrown away a lot of his USP with this. I think the actual memoir will be very different from the well-poisoning press headlines, and that people who actually read it will feel very differently about him than the people who don’t. We’ll see.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 7, 2023 9:59:35 GMT
Except they were not actually reacting to his wording in the book Except they were because the exact words quoted on tv and media where from the translation you quote and in fact read worse than were reported:I didn't think of them as people , they were chess pieces removed from the board.
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Post by crowblack on Jan 7, 2023 10:47:16 GMT
There's an interesting piece in The Times today, with this : "This isn’t just a revenge book, it’s an attempt to blow up the institution. If he can’t be a royal, no one can." But at the end of the day, Americans enjoy Royal-watching. Meghan wouldn't have sought him out if he was just some random Brit. But the timing is what is so troubling. I'm a republican and on the Left but see why the Queen was a useful figurehead for the Commonwealth at a globally very insecure time. Damaging that now - another very insecure time with a new Cold War - is narcissistic selfishness. He's a dangerous dickhead.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 7, 2023 10:52:02 GMT
There's an interesting piece in The Times today, with this : "This isn’t just a revenge book, it’s an attempt to blow up the institution. If he can’t be a royal, no one can." But at the end of the day, Americans enjoy Royal-watching. Meghan wouldn't have sought him out if he was just some random Brit. But the timing is what is so troubling. I'm a republican and on the Left but see why the Queen was a useful figurehead for the Commonwealth at a globally very insecure time. Damaging that now - another very insecure time with a new Cold War - is narcissistic selfishness. He's a dangerous dickhead. Yep was always going to be Harry if it wasn’t his Mum
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Post by kathryn on Jan 7, 2023 11:45:52 GMT
Meghan wouldn't have sought him out if he was just some random Brit. But she didn’t ‘seek him out’. He saw a picture of her on a mutual friend’s Instagram and asked to be put in touch. This was covered (including the picture!) in the Netflix series. The whole idea that she ‘sought him out’ comes from the deranged internet stalkers who do things like photoshop pictures of Princess Diana into the background of pictures of her as a child in her bedroom, to make it look like she was Diana-obsessed.
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Post by Rory on Jan 7, 2023 13:46:13 GMT
I can't stand the pair of them and I hope his book dies on its arse.
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Post by johartuk on Jan 7, 2023 15:24:45 GMT
It's a terrible, terrible thing when a brother shouts at you. In other news, Harry also says he's killed 25 people. People’s reaction to this snippet have been doing my head in. He was an Apache helicopter gunner. His job as a gunner was to shoot and kill people on the missions that he was commanding. The gunner needs tactical control and so is in command. The people he was killing were the Taliban - who in return were trying to kill him. This has been public knowledge for years, and - as I’ve been saying since forever - one of the reasons why he has a heightened security risk. The Taliban are very well aware of his military service. And yet people are losing their minds now that he talks about the experience. As if this wasn’t already known - or, I don’t know, as if they never quite believed that he was an actual soldier who fought in an actual war and actually killed people while doing so. It's one thing actually going into a war zone and fighting/killing. But to openly talk about the number of people you've killed in a book that the whole world can read (and now that excerpts are all over the press, you don't even need to wait for the book to come out to read the relevant extract!)? Absolutely disgusting, not least because it puts a target on the backs of Harry and his family, and on the rest of us innocent Brits (and also Americans, since he's married to one and lives there now)! I don't suppose that crossed his mind when he was churning out his magnum opus!
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Post by johartuk on Jan 7, 2023 15:47:28 GMT
He gets worse, stories of having sex with an older woman in a ‘grassy field’, his drug adventures and spurious stories of him versus the Taliban and his head count (really? 😂): I take it back about comparing him to Kanye, he’s the missing link in Kevin and Perry Go Large. Is that Nazi uniform high jinks night out swept under the carpet? My only interest in this book is if there is suddenly a global shortage of toilet paper. He blames William and Kate for that! Seriously! There's also Meghan being a seal whisperer (apparently, some seals sang to her and she sang back)! Harry communicating with his dead mum via a medium! Harry being injured by a dog bowl and getting his necklace broken by big bruv! Meghan borrowing Kate's lip gloss and getting the hump because Kate looked at her funny! Harry's penis getting frostbitten (and both him and William being circumcised...because millions of complete strangers all over the world really needed to know that!) The whole thing comes across as a spoof - how can anyone take Harry and Meghan seriously after this?
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Post by johartuk on Jan 7, 2023 15:56:33 GMT
Several prominent military officers, nothing to do with Harry have said he should not have said what he did and the way it was said. He has been so poorly advised as to wording etc in areas of his book. Except they were not actually reacting to his wording in the book, they were reacting to press headlines. Which were based on the quickest possible translation of the Spanish-language edition they could make and then spun further to make him look as bad as possible. For the record, Peter Hunt has now gotten hold of the actual passage in the English edition: It's irrelevant what the actual passage says - the Taliban have seen the excerpts all over the media (both mainstream and social) which is all they need to take offence and possibly retaliate. Harry's 'kill tally' should never have appeared in the book!
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Post by mkb on Jan 7, 2023 16:09:43 GMT
He gets worse, stories of having sex with an older woman in a ‘grassy field’, his drug adventures and spurious stories of him versus the Taliban and his head count (really? 😂): I take it back about comparing him to Kanye, he’s the missing link in Kevin and Perry Go Large. Is that Nazi uniform high jinks night out swept under the carpet? My only interest in this book is if there is suddenly a global shortage of toilet paper. He blames William and Kate for that! Seriously! There's also Meghan being a seal whisperer (apparently, some seals sang to her and she sang back)! Harry communicating with his dead mum via a medium! Harry being injured by a dog bowl and getting his necklace broken by big bruv! Meghan borrowing Kate's lip gloss and getting the hump because Kate looked at her funny! Harry's penis getting frostbitten (and both him and William being circumcised...because millions of complete strangers all over the world really needed to know that!) The whole thing comes across as a spoof - how can anyone take Harry and Meghan seriously after this? How did you manage to get a pre-release copy of the book for this review/assessment?
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Post by kathryn on Jan 7, 2023 16:30:07 GMT
Some of the stuff circulating out there literally is a spoof. People trolling the media to see if they can get them to pick up ridiculous stories.
Other stuff will just look very different in context.
I don’t know why people are finding mention of a necklace being snapped and a dog bowl being broken in a physical fight funny, though. All it indicates to me is the amount of force being used during the assault. It ain’t easy to break a necklace when it’s round someone’s neck.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 7, 2023 16:37:20 GMT
]It's irrelevant what the actual passage says - the Taliban have seen the excerpts all over the media (both mainstream and social) which is all they need to take offence and possibly retaliate. Harry's 'kill tally' should never have appeared in the book! Riiiight, so NOW people are worried about the Taliban retaliating for the invasion of Afghanistan. Probably would have been better off getting worried before we sent the armed forces over there, if you’re so terrified of provoking the terrorists. Once upon the time the media insisted that they supported British soldiers who fought in Afghanistan and would not dream of giving space to Taliban commanders making threatening ex-servicemen.
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