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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Sept 1, 2022 22:19:33 GMT
Not the Milky White hate .. :’( I love the Milky White in this production. A great costume and performer. 🐮
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Post by squidward on Sept 2, 2022 0:19:54 GMT
Sorry but that cow showed no ‘emotions’ at all. It was designed to get some cheap laughs and that’s it. From what I’m now hearing- if you want to see it, get thee to Bath. The chances of a west end run are looking more and more remote. Every theatre owner in London has seen it and they have had no offers of a theatre. The Phoenix (ATG?) clearly has had other ideas since seeing it. Sorry but I respectfully disagree, especially about the cheap laughs. I thought the costume was very clever and the interaction of the character within the scenes it appeared in added an extra layer of inventiveness to the show. I’ve only ever seen MW presented as a wooden animal on wheels. IMO the one in this production was a real character along with the rest of the cast.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Sept 2, 2022 6:14:37 GMT
Sorry but that cow showed no ‘emotions’ at all. It was designed to get some cheap laughs and that’s it. From what I’m now hearing- if you want to see it, get thee to Bath. The chances of a west end run are looking more and more remote. Every theatre owner in London has seen it and they have had no offers of a theatre. The Phoenix (ATG?) clearly has had other ideas since seeing it. Sorry but I respectfully disagree, especially about the cheap laughs. I thought the costume was very clever and the interaction of the character within the scenes it appeared in added an extra layer of inventiveness to the show. I’ve only ever seen MW presented as a wooden animal on wheels. IMO the one in this production was a real character along with the rest of the cast. We can disagree. If you’ve only seen MW done as a wooden version then I understand now. I’ve only ever seen her performed by a human in a costume/puppet so that’s what I compare this version too.
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Post by danb on Sept 2, 2022 6:32:03 GMT
I am amazed by this, if true. So much crap gets into the West End, it would be madness not to transfer this. What exactly is going in to all these theatres (Duke of Yorks, Phoenix, Ambassadors, Harold Pinter, Lyric etc) then in the New Year? There is so little buzz about any transfers or upcoming shows so it doesn't seem like they are spoiled for choice. Of your list I think only the Phoenix or at a push the Lyric could take this production design as is. I should imagine that all the houses you mention have plays or revivals of plays lined up.
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Post by Mark on Sept 2, 2022 6:50:24 GMT
I do wonder if a venue is lined up for Tammy Faye and/or Bands Visit to transfer.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Sept 2, 2022 6:56:53 GMT
I do wonder if a venue is lined up for Tammy Faye and/or Bands Visit to transfer. I think so for Tammy Faye, my understanding is that it was supposed to open in the West End, it has a venue, and they decided to have the Almeida run first once Rupert Goold got invovled.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Sept 2, 2022 10:29:52 GMT
I would expect Tammy Faye to go to a Cameron theatre
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Post by Jon on Sept 2, 2022 11:02:53 GMT
I do wonder if a venue is lined up for Tammy Faye and/or Bands Visit to transfer. I think so for Tammy Faye, my understanding is that it was supposed to open in the West End, it has a venue, and they decided to have the Almeida run first once Rupert Goold got invovled. Sounds similar to what happened with The Ferryman, Sonia Friedman developed it but Jez Butterworth wanted it to debut at the Royal Court first.
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Sept 2, 2022 13:52:50 GMT
Loved this yesterday afternoon. If Milky White or the actress inside is nominated in any category for an award they'll have my vote.
Five seats in the centre of the front row (C) of the stalls and one dead centre in the second row were unoccupied in what otherwise appeared to be a near full house. I think that may be because of the one of the stage effects. I was middle of the third row which is E for this production and it made me jump. Gorgeous theatre but poor legroom.
National Express from Victoria Coach Station at 9.30 arriving Bath at 12.25 and the return at 18.15 arriving Victoria 21.20 are ideal for matinees at the Theatre Royal and cheap at £17.80 return.
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Post by Sotongal on Sept 2, 2022 17:34:28 GMT
Loved this yesterday afternoon. If Milky White or the actress inside is nominated in any category for an award they'll have my vote. Five seats in the centre of the front row (C) of the stalls and one dead centre in the second row were unoccupied in what otherwise appeared to be a near full house. I think that may be because of the one of the stage effects. I was middle of the third row which is E for this production and it made me jump. Gorgeous theatre but poor legroom. National Express from Victoria Coach Station at 9.30 arriving Bath at 12.25 and the return at 18.15 arriving Victoria 21.20 are ideal for matinees at the Theatre Royal and cheap at £17.80 return. Watched it yesterday evening and we enjoyed it. Three hours long (including interval) but zips along without a pause or dragging. The two princes duets went down well with the audience. Love the set design and how the it echoes/copies that of the little girl’s toy stage shown at the beginning. Seeing Milky the Cow reminded me of the little toys (the child had one at the start) where you press upwards under the base of the cow and the various strings through it make the cow move (though the child’s toy is quite small so hard to appreciate from the audience).Thought the actor Milky got this quite well! Would be a shame if this doesn’t transfer to somewhere in the West End.
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Post by alexanderdavies1994 on Sept 2, 2022 22:13:50 GMT
Just received a brochure from the Theatre Royal, Bath and it does have in bold font… ‘Opening in Bath prior to the West End’ 🎭
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Sept 3, 2022 11:37:14 GMT
Just received a brochure from the Theatre Royal, Bath and it does have in bold font… ‘Opening in Bath prior to the West End’ 🎭 the producers clearly want the west end, but if no suitable west end venue wants the show, then it can't come in.
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Post by Sotongal on Sept 3, 2022 11:49:11 GMT
Just received a brochure from the Theatre Royal, Bath and it does have in bold font… ‘Opening in Bath prior to the West End’ 🎭 the producers clearly want the west end, but if no suitable west end venue wants the show, then it can't come in. That applies to any out of London production hoping to move into the West End, surely?
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Sept 3, 2022 12:07:19 GMT
the producers clearly want the west end, but if no suitable west end venue wants the show, then it can't come in. That applies to any out of London production hoping to move into the West End, surely? Well yes, exactly. The point being: just because the producers state their intention for a West End run in the Bath brochure doesn't mean it will materialise.
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Post by Deal J on Sept 3, 2022 14:00:05 GMT
Five seats in the centre of the front row (C) of the stalls and one dead centre in the second row were unoccupied in what otherwise appeared to be a near full house. I think that may be because of the one of the stage effects. I was middle of the third row which is E for this production and it made me jump. I’m in seat D5 this evening, it sounds like I might be in for a fright!
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Post by mrbarnaby on Sept 3, 2022 15:04:03 GMT
Just received a brochure from the Theatre Royal, Bath and it does have in bold font… ‘Opening in Bath prior to the West End’ 🎭 I’ve lost count of times I’ve read that in brochures or on posters and it never happens. Of course they want it to- but it’s also well used phrase used to sell it
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Post by Sotongal on Sept 3, 2022 16:49:41 GMT
Five seats in the centre of the front row (C) of the stalls and one dead centre in the second row were unoccupied in what otherwise appeared to be a near full house. I think that may be because of the one of the stage effects. I was middle of the third row which is E for this production and it made me jump. I’m in seat D5 this evening, it sounds like I might be in for a fright! Enjoy the show! 👍🏻
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Post by Rory on Sept 3, 2022 18:05:00 GMT
Just received a brochure from the Theatre Royal, Bath and it does have in bold font… ‘Opening in Bath prior to the West End’ 🎭 I’ve lost count of times I’ve read that in brochures or on posters and it never happens. Of course they want it to- but it’s also well used phrase used to sell it Agree totally but there should be a strict rule against advertising shows as 'Prior to West End' unless there is a definite theatre booked. If it's an aspiration with nothing concrete behind it, producers shouldn't be able to use it. It's been a bug bear of mine for years and years.
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Post by danb on Sept 4, 2022 7:49:56 GMT
They could’ve had a theatre pencilled but its current show has unexpectedly extended or some money dropped out? Everyone thought that ‘Spring Awakening’ was a shoo-in for a transfer then a producer drops out and it’s gone.
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Post by Deal J on Sept 4, 2022 12:01:46 GMT
I’m in seat D5 this evening, it sounds like I might be in for a fright! Enjoy the show! 👍🏻 Thank you - I certainly did! They kept those front centre seats free again, it must be because of the stage effect because the ushers kept checking beforehand that the people on the sides weren’t moving further in. I was in the second row, one from the centre, and… {Slight Spoiler - click to view}…I felt a blast of wind from the effect. The gentleman next to me was right in the centre and he was certainly startled, and ended up with a few “leaves” on his lap. What an incredible production, I loved it. Everything seemed to be working as it should - including the cuckoo clock and vased flower. I notice on Twitter that members of the Sondheim Society were back for a repeat visit and remarked on how much tighter and funnier it has become since their first trip. Milky White was an absolute treat, what a performance! Very funny and I even shed a tear when she and Jack said goodbye to each other… that’s never happened to me before! Alex Young is incredible, her comic timing and delivery really shone. But every performance was spot on, just delightful from beginning to end. The changed Mysterious Man character works really well, I think. It made the second half even more dark than usual. It took me a beat to work out why he would have found the Baker’s father’s note, but then when it clicked it hit hard. The only thing (I think) was missing was the cameo from Sleeping Beauty and Snow White, I don’t remember them appearing but that’s an exceptionally minor quibble. I do agree that The Witch’s transformation outfit could be a lot more glamorous, but in my head-canon I think this might be the little girl imagining her as a “scary” grown up lady, someone relatively “normal” from the real world but who has upset or frightened her in her real life. Given the relationship between the Witch and Rapunzel, perhaps the girl has even modelled her after her own mother. I wish (sigh) I’d been able to get seats slightly further back to take everything in, but maybe being so close is why I didn’t have any trouble with the masks used by the Witch and the Wolf. In conclusion, in my best Prince voice, I long to go back to “the Whooooods”!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 4, 2022 12:11:52 GMT
Can someone tell us in spoiler tags about the effect mentioned above please, and details of any other interesting theatrical tricks or magic in this show please?
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Post by fiyero on Sept 4, 2022 12:55:10 GMT
Can someone tell us in spoiler tags about the effect mentioned above please, and details of any other interesting theatrical tricks or magic in this show please? I was there and want to know what I forgot / missed. I was sat front stalls. Will get round to a review soon but I loved it, 5 stars from me
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Post by Sotongal on Sept 4, 2022 13:13:32 GMT
Thank you - I certainly did! They kept those front centre seats free again, it must be because of the stage effect because the ushers kept checking beforehand that the people on the sides weren’t moving further in. I was in the second row, one from the centre, and… {Slight Spoiler - click to view}…I felt a blast of wind from the effect. The gentleman next to me was right in the centre and he was certainly startled, and ended up with a few “leaves” on his lap. What an incredible production, I loved it. Everything seemed to be working as it should - including the cuckoo clock and vased flower. I notice on Twitter that members of the Sondheim Society were back for a repeat visit and remarked on how much tighter and funnier it has become since their first trip. Milky White was an absolute treat, what a performance! Very funny and I even shed a tear when she and Jack said goodbye to each other… that’s never happened to me before! Alex Young is incredible, her comic timing and delivery really shone. But every performance was spot on, just delightful from beginning to end. The changed Mysterious Man character works really well, I think. It made the second half even more dark than usual. It took me a beat to work out why he would have found the Baker’s father’s note, but then when it clicked it hit hard. The only thing (I think) was missing was the cameo from Sleeping Beauty and Snow White, I don’t remember them appearing but that’s an exceptionally minor quibble. I do agree that The Witch’s transformation outfit could be a lot more glamorous, but in my head-canon I think this might be the little girl imagining her as a “scary” grown up lady, someone relatively “normal” from the real world but who has upset or frightened her in her real life. Given the relationship between the Witch and Rapunzel, perhaps the girl has even modelled her after her own mother. I wish (sigh) I’d been able to get seats slightly further back to take everything in, but maybe being so close is why I didn’t have any trouble with the masks used by the Witch and the Wolf. In conclusion, in my best Prince voice, I long to go back to “the Whooooods”!
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Post by Deal J on Sept 4, 2022 13:16:53 GMT
Can someone tell us in spoiler tags about the effect mentioned above please, and details of any other interesting theatrical tricks or magic in this show please? The effect requiring the front centre seats to be vacant: During “So Happy”, the Baker is centre stage as they all sing “Then fortune smiled, so hap-…” - then there’s a big creaking sound and the tall scenery piece of the Baker’s House falls forward quickly, crashing over the Baker’s head (much like the Buster Keaton Steamboat Bill Jr effect). The apex of the roof reaches the front of the stage, so it creates a huge gust of wind and bits of paper leaves blow forward. We felt it in the 2nd row, so I imagine it would be too much for the 1st row.
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Post by Deal J on Sept 4, 2022 15:07:40 GMT
Other tricks and flights of fancy: {HUGE Spoilers - click to view}For the Witch’s first entrance she appears at the Bakery door window, which the Baker closes the blind on, then almost immediately she’s at their first floor window, then back again.
The Witch has her usual spell flashes that zap at the groins of the Baker and his Wife.
The ghost of Cinderella’s mother is heard through an oversized pink flower in a stem vase. The head of the flower raises and gestures as it sings, dropping her petals to Cinderella’s feet. When she appears later on her ball gown looks like it’s been made using the petals.
As the Wolf attempts to lure Red away from the path, he sings “You’re missing all the flowers…”, and as he points a number of roses fly down from the sky landing bolt upright on the stage. Much more impressive than it sounds.
Mysterious Man frequently appears from behind trees without any hint that he’d been hiding there.
The giant pocket watch is originally used as the first beanstalk which Jack climbs down and sits atop to sing “Giants in the Sky”. It’s then used several times throughout the rest of the show, swinging in like a pendulum for each midnight gone (accompanied by the cuckoo clock atop the fake proscenium arch) and finally to dispose of the Witch.
The faux theatre boxes at the sides are opened as a window into the Royal Castle, and during the Prince’s shoe fitting as the Stepmother attempts to bring her daughters’ feet down to size, blood drips down the wall below.
Red Riding Hood’s rescue from the Wolf’s stomach is particularly gruesome. The Wolf is in Granny’s four poster bed, and as the Baker cuts his belly open, Red emerges dripping in blood and covered in entrails, closely followed by a vengeful Granny equally drenched. Both have strong Glaswegian accents, and they really play up their violent intentions.
I didn’t mind the backdrop, I thought it added a bit of extra depth in the darker scenes. It was also used to show (in silhouette) the banishment of Rapunzel’s Prince and his fall into the thicket of thorns. Similarly as the Royal Family attempt to escape to a far-off Kingdom, they exit the “theatre” only to be captured by the Giant’s Wife (“No you don’t - that’s cheating!”) who grabs them all (again in silhouette) lifting them to their doom.
The Giant’s Wife is voiced by the little girl, her doll’s feet are HUGE and stomp around the stage controlled by people underneath. The soles are hollow, so she can step on the other characters and have them disappear underneath. She’s supposed to be a large doll that doesn’t “fit” in the toy theatre properly, so it works well within the framework of this production. Her huge “plastic” arm sweeps down out of the wings to grab the Narrator, and when the survivors eventually slay her, her huge broken head lands on the stage (looking a little like the poster of Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?).
My descriptions don’t do the real thing justice at all, everything is just so BIG and imaginative. There are plenty of other delights I’ve not mentioned here too, but hopefully this at least gives a flavour for those who won’t be able to see the show. I turned around during the bows and it looked like the entire house were on their feet - quite right, too!
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