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Post by d'James on Aug 3, 2019 0:25:47 GMT
Now I know some people don’t care about the environment so this probably isn’t the thread for you.
What can be done to improve Theatre’s eco-friendliness.
Top of my list is plastic cups. Waitress had reusable plastic cups, so surely this is the way forward? You don’t have a choice in a lot of theatres though. I already told my Hamilton story but they were single use plastic wine cups, but what if I’d refused to take them? I’m sure they wouldn’t have let me back in to see the second half or I wouldn’t have got a drink.
Perhaps Theatre chains should start a scheme where you get a reusable cup which gets you a discount on future drinks in their bars. (I’ll take my commission now.)
Straws are out obviously.
However I’m also thinking about costumes, make-up etc. Jamie tried something to to re-use the jewels from the show. Maybe they could find a way not to use them at all.
We all love sparkly/glittery things but they need to make sure it’s environmentally friendly.
Maybe a lot of this is done already but I haven’t seen it in force at all.
Let’s hear ideas.
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Post by showgirl on Aug 3, 2019 3:32:29 GMT
Theatres could look beyond themselves to consider, then allow for transport options. I am fed up with websites and "You are coming to see" emails which go into great detail about driving routes and car parks but completely ignore those travelling by public transport. How about incentives for those who do; performances timed to allow patrons to catch trains home; accommodation suggestions near transport hubs etc?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 4:02:05 GMT
Solar panels on the roof.
Switch over to LED lighting where they can. I know there are still a few aspects of lighting the show itself that currently require incandescent lighting (though they need to do something about that because people won't keep manufacturing bulbs forever) but everywhere that can be replaced should be.
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Post by steve10086 on Aug 3, 2019 6:42:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 7:16:41 GMT
Some theatres are taking good steps:
Donmar - moved to compostable plastic cups and now allows glasses to be taken into the stalls (which isn't necessarily a good idea for other reasons!). From what they said at the time I think this was a licensing restriction that was lifted.
Bridge - reusable plastic cups that you pay a refundable deposit on.
Union - no paper tickets, you get a reusable number when you give your booking reference to the box office.
Barbican - clearly marked recycling bins as you come out of the auditorium
Ideas from elsewhere:
In some German cities when you buy an opera ticket it includes free public transport for that evening.
On Broadway you get a solid reusable plastic cup with a drink, which you have to pay for. Not sure if you are able to then reuse them in another theatre though!
Some suggestions:
With e-tickets, make clear you can show the ticket on your phone rather than print it off.
Make electronic programmes an option. The Royal Opera House does this, I think some other theatres experimented with it but it didn't seem to take off.
Electronic season brochures rather than paper. I've never been able to find a way of getting the Barbican not to post me a brochure every month. Similarly the Hampstead sends me multiple copies of flyers for each play.
Have a poster in the foyer with a QR code that takes you to the electronic brochure rather than a big pile of paper copies.
As in some coffee shops, offer a discount on drinks if you use your own reusable cup
What about the ice cream tubs - usually a cardboard tub, plastic lid, plastic spoon.
Think about costumes / staging - eg productions using loads of balloons or glitter. For instance Jesus Christ Superstar at the moment - maybe they are using biodegradable glitter?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 7:49:21 GMT
Send less emails. The amount of c02 produced by server and host clients to send, process and store emails is contributing massively to the amount of pollution server farms and data centres produce. I don't 3 emails from Liverpool Empire, Manchester Palace and Stoke Regent Theatre all telling me when Chicago is playing, despite having only subscribed to Manchester. Likewise I don't need an email from Dear Evan Hansen, Delfont Macintosh and Whats on Stage to tell me open auditions are happening. The negative side of GDPR is that companies with shared interests can't work together to reduce the amount of collective spam they produce. They could however work around this. Theatres, producers and associations could also seek to employ data management and hosting from companies with an eco-fiendly policy. Lighting. Tough one. There has actually been a campaign in place to maintain the production and use of tungsten lighting in theatre production (The EU sought to curb this completely by 2020 if I remember rightly). There is a big difference between the colour and output of tungsten light and LED and this can affect productions massively. Technology is getting better to improve colour temperature and brightness of LED technology but it's not cheap and designers are not altogether too favourable. By and large this LED is getting adopted as a preference though. Hamilton a good example, the vast majority of it's rig is LED. Exterior lighting however. Do theatres really need lighting up like the Ritz at 4am? I think signage and exterior lighting could be adapted a lot more appropriately than current use. Solar Panels were mentioned. Nice idea but I think generally the cost vs long-term benefit for a big theatre is pretty negligible. Personally I'd like so see the implementation (where possible) of living/green roof areas. In particular the brutalist National Theatre could really soften itself with living 'areas' on it's upper level surfaces. I also think the Apollo, Sondheim, Gillian Lynne and even Apollo Victoria would like great with living walls out front. Helping to reduce the amount of smog from traffic etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 8:29:56 GMT
Thought of another one - lots of theatres when you collect the tickets or have them posted use three times as much paper as they need to - you get the ticket + a card receipt on another ticket + sometimes your name and address on a third ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 8:36:17 GMT
Thought of another one - lots of theatres when you collect the tickets or have them posted use three times as much paper as they need to - you get the ticket + a card receipt on another ticket + sometimes your name and address on a third ticket. This is also a bug bear of mine. Do keep them all and then put the two extra into recycling, but could save alot of resources (and cost their side!) if they didn't do this.
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Post by lynette on Aug 3, 2019 11:36:33 GMT
“Personally I'd like so see the implementation (where possible) of living/green roof areas. In particular the brutalist National”
OMG Serial Shusher, what a good idea. Maybe have those plants that hang down and then ivy, yes, ivy which will eventually cover the whole place and when they find out that it cuts into the fabric of the building, they will have to knock it all down. Come on nature, do your thing and swallow the NT.
Seriously, they could certainly do a lot more with the balconies. Now that quite a few buildings in the city are having roof gardens and restaurants I think the NT could cash in on similar. The NT was planned and built during a cold snap so that is why it doesn’t look out or take us out to the magnificent views or the outdoors. It was a miracle it has windows at all. But now, it should be opened up completely. The architect apparently would not allow any significant changes over the years, hence the ridiculous piecemeal efforts and frankly does anyone think the latest changes have made much of an improvement? That silly cafe on the ground floor which you are not encouraged to go to unless you are visiting the theatre , so eliminating part of the income, and which has tables under beams and in dark corners..I mean, really. And the daft way you can’t access one of the eateries except from one particular lift which is not signposted properly..I could go on, you know I could..but this idea of greening is really a good one. Why didn’t I think of it? Probably because I’m beset by depression every time I step inside the NT. And while I’m at it, what happened to the preshow entertainment in the foyers? Could have all sorts on the balconies.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 3, 2019 21:25:33 GMT
Every sector can always do more.
In terms of lighting, a lot of the stock used these days is LED based - thus reducing power usage and the use of gels (as they are often colour-changing devices) - of course, older lighting stock is still in use and the threat to ban the production of replacement bulbs has rescinded. It is surely better to keep these going as long as possible rather than forcing companies to get rid of existing, working lights.
Bio-glitter and make-up is very widely available these days - so there is no reason not to use it unless you need something very specific.
In terms of things like jewels used on costumes, given how many performances each costume serves, the impact is spread over a long life-span. Of course, companies can pass on their discarded costumes to hire companies or similar so that they have a life after any particular production. Yes, not all of them will be viable - but a good many of them would be. When I was running a student drama wardrobe, we were lucky enough to get costumes from a range of West End and other productions - and they got put to very good use over many, many years.
It isn't just about changing materials/suppliers, it is about changing the culture of disposing of things at the end of a run. Sell or donate props/costumes/set pieces - there will be theatre-makers (pro and am) who would be delighted to give them a new home
In terms of marketing, paper brochures are still a valuable sales tool. That will change - but it will take time. GDPR has affected how effective email marketing can be for smaller companies who have seen their mailing lists shrink significantly since the new rules came in. Do away with paper-based marketing and you will see an increase in online activity - which isn't always well targeted. Of course, shift to recycled paper or pay for offsets with new tree planting.
Buildings are going to need to be updated - we are almost certainly going to need better aircon in major public spaces like theatres. That will have an impact. But if we want to go to the theatre in comfort, we are going to have to accept that airconditioning is part of what is necessary for a significant part of the year.
I never understood why theatres were so insistent on no glasses in the auditorium. I was never aware of a rash of glass-related injuries in the years before that particular culture change. I suspect it was a perceived rather than real issue. But I think we can cope with being allowed glasses back into our theatre spaces.
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 3, 2019 23:55:10 GMT
Glad this thread has been created, I started a similar thread a long time ago. theatreboard.co.uk/thread/3845/sustainable-theatreThe environment is very important and how we treat it and the respect we show for it, we can look at Trump and co and deny climate change and stick how head in the sand with fingers in the ear singing. La.da.da.da. But this really isn’t helpful. My hero is David Attenborough. A lot of theatres are now taking substainability seriously. Such as; Almeida almeida.co.uk/greenNational www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/your-visit/policies/environmental-policyYoung Vic www.youngvic.org/about-us/our-environmental-commitmentSo three examples of theatres, striving to be green, which is great and I am sure there are others. But theatre can and should do a lot more. I include myself in this as well and sure I can do a lot better. Using sustainable sets is a big tick for me, when I saw a while back, Shakespeare in Love at the Noel Coward, I was horrified by all that good quality unsustainable wood being used, hope this attitude is in the past now and creativity should include substainability, why not have an Olivier award for it? Man has beautifully succeeded in vandalising the world, by putting itself first. Finally what does a Polar Bear, Lion, Tiger, Rhino, Giraffe and Elephant have in common? Yeap they are all Mammals. They are also all endangered species, which basically means they’re heading for extinction in the wild.
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Post by d'James on Aug 4, 2019 0:16:42 GMT
An award is a brilliant idea. That’ll make them take notice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 7:08:00 GMT
Using sustainable sets is a big tick for me, when I saw a while back, Shakespeare in Love at the Noel Coward, I was horrified by all that good quality unsustainable wood being used, hope this attitude is in the past now and creativity should include substainability, why not have an Olivier award for it? There is at least one company who will recycle sets, and offer reusable items for sale or hire - www.greenclover.com/. I think the National use them. According to their website at the moment 95% of theatre sets end up in landfill. At one point there was a plan to reuse the Shakespeare in Love set as the auditorium for a new theatre in Islington, but the plans fell through www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/collins-theatre-400-seater-underground-venue-islington-green-finally-open-1-5657302
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Post by Rukaya on Aug 4, 2019 9:49:59 GMT
On Broadway you get a solid reusable plastic cup with a drink, which you have to pay for. Not sure if you are able to then reuse them in another theatre though! You can! I can't specifically remember the benefits of doing this but I feel like it's theatre organisation specific. eg, if you got a cup from a Shubert Theatre on a Tuesday, then saw a different show at another Shubert Theatre on Friday and use the same cup at the bar, you'll get a discount. Not a lot of people are aware of this, I don't think, but it's good that they offer it. I think at some theatres you can even get a free refill of soft drinks at the interval when you have the cup, but I could be wrong there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 10:05:07 GMT
Ooh. Here's another one....
Urinals that don't self flush every 3-5mins, or worse the ones that flush after every patron. Absolutely no use in the automated ones that flush throughout the day when the theatre is empty! Waterless urinals exist and are combatting the amount of wasted fresh water wasted by urinals.
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Post by Stephen on Aug 4, 2019 11:21:55 GMT
At the Royal Court last year we used 62,000 plastic cups. This year we haven't used one single throwaway cup. Every cup has been reused again and again and again. We've gotten rid of takeaway coffee cups now too.
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 4, 2019 17:47:26 GMT
Using sustainable sets is a big tick for me, when I saw a while back, Shakespeare in Love at the Noel Coward, I was horrified by all that good quality unsustainable wood being used, hope this attitude is in the past now and creativity should include substainability, why not have an Olivier award for it? There is at least one company who will recycle sets, and offer reusable items for sale or hire - www.greenclover.com/. I think the National use them. According to their website at the moment 95% of theatre sets end up in landfill. At one point there was a plan to reuse the Shakespeare in Love set as the auditorium for a new theatre in Islington, but the plans fell through www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/collins-theatre-400-seater-underground-venue-islington-green-finally-open-1-5657302I wasn’t aware that the set for SIL was going to be upcycled, but it wasn’t and as you pointed out more than likely ended in Landfill, as 95% of sets are, which I didn’t know that fact, so thanks. But isn’t that just dreadful and more than likely the wood comes from a third world country, such as Brazil or Indonesia, where ecology really does suffers. I have my own coffee cup that I use in Caffè Nero, other coffee shops are available and it is made of bamboo, it is very light, easy to clean and very sustainable. I also think it is great that Network Rail stations do free water fill stations as do Pret A Manger now. I also think the best way to combat single use plastics is simply by recycling it!
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Post by dippy on Aug 4, 2019 18:34:57 GMT
I also think it is great that Network Rail stations do free water fill stations as do Pret A Manger now. I also think the best way to combat single use plastics is simply by recycling it! Charing Cross Station has become one of my most visited places in central London for the free water when I'm in the area. I'm very glad they do that now as sometimes you do drink a whole bottle of water quickly and need more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 19:00:57 GMT
I wasn’t aware that the set for SIL was going to be upcycled, but it wasn’t and as you pointed out more than likely ended in Landfill, as 95% of sets are, which I didn’t know that fact, so thanks. But isn’t that just dreadful and more than likely the wood comes from a third world country, such as Brazil or Indonesia, where ecology really does suffers. I have my own coffee cup that I use in Caffè Nero, other coffee shops are available and it is made of bamboo, it is very light, easy to clean and very sustainable. I also think it is great that Network Rail stations do free water fill stations as do Pret A Manger now. I also think the best way to combat single use plastics is simply by recycling it!I'd say the best way to combat single-use plastics would be to avoid using them as much as possible in the first place. Then to recycle should you need to use them.
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Post by Stephen on Aug 4, 2019 21:31:57 GMT
I think that digital programmes are a fantastic idea. The only issue is that commercial theatres would still want to charge a lot for them which would be a rip off.
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Post by shady23 on Aug 5, 2019 6:27:34 GMT
Theatres could look beyond themselves to consider, then allow for transport options. I am fed up with websites and "You are coming to see" emails which go into great detail about driving routes and car parks but completely ignore those travelling by public transport. How about incentives for those who do; performances timed to allow patrons to catch trains home; accommodation suggestions near transport hubs etc? The big theatres in Sunderland and Newcastle give you free travel to and from the performance on the Metro with your theatre ticket, which is a brilliant scheme.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 6:42:10 GMT
I think that digital programmes are a fantastic idea. The only issue is that commercial theatres would still want to charge a lot for them which would be a rip off. Could abolish free printed cast lists as well perhaps (or make them available on request at the box office?) - all of that info is on the website these days.
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 5, 2019 7:58:50 GMT
I also think it is great that Network Rail stations do free water fill stations as do Pret A Manger now. I also think the best way to combat single use plastics is simply by recycling it! Charing Cross Station has become one of my most visited places in central London for the free water when I'm in the area. I'm very glad they do that now as sometimes you do drink a whole bottle of water quickly and need more. Pret have water stations now and you don't have to buy anything.
National Gallery have a water refill by both the toilets as well.
I wasn’t aware that the set for SIL was going to be upcycled, but it wasn’t and as you pointed out more than likely ended in Landfill, as 95% of sets are, which I didn’t know that fact, so thanks. But isn’t that just dreadful and more than likely the wood comes from a third world country, such as Brazil or Indonesia, where ecology really does suffers. I have my own coffee cup that I use in Caffè Nero, other coffee shops are available and it is made of bamboo, it is very light, easy to clean and very sustainable. I also think it is great that Network Rail stations do free water fill stations as do Pret A Manger now. I also think the best way to combat single use plastics is simply by recycling it!I'd say the best way to combat single-use plastics would be to avoid using them as much as possible in the first place. Then to recycle should you need to use them. It is very hard to eliminate single use plastics, even how much well intentioned we are. When you buy your strawberries, cherries or grapes or bleach for the bathroom, a bottle of Coke Zero is better than a can, as you can drink from over a period of time and then store it in your rucksack, than just knock it back as you do a can.
I get a glass bottle can become another glass bottle, a can become another can, but a plastic bottle is unlikely to become another plastic bottle, but why cannot we recycle all plastic?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 12:12:08 GMT
Charing Cross Station has become one of my most visited places in central London for the free water when I'm in the area. I'm very glad they do that now as sometimes you do drink a whole bottle of water quickly and need more. Pret have water stations now and you don't have to buy anything.
National Gallery have a water refill by both the toilets as well.
I'd say the best way to combat single-use plastics would be to avoid using them as much as possible in the first place. Then to recycle should you need to use them. It is very hard to eliminate single use plastics, even how much well intentioned we are. When you buy your strawberries, cherries or grapes or bleach for the bathroom, a bottle of Coke Zero is better than a can, as you can drink from over a period of time and then store it in your rucksack, than just knock it back as you do a can.
I get a glass bottle can become another glass bottle, a can become another can, but a plastic bottle is unlikely to become another plastic bottle, but why cannot we recycle all plastic?
So we should just maintain our use of plastics because it's convenient, should we? Just because we can doesn't mean we should. No offence but if this widespread lethargic approach continues, we're destined for even more trouble. Why? It's fundamental science. Glass can be broken down and burnt and turned into more glass, as with aluminium. The chemical properties of the elements allow it so. Plastics are made of compound elements, polymers, which an irreversible bond. Once a polymer exists, it can not be broken down. You can change it's shape by melting it or crushing it, but it won't ever regain it's properties that you started with. Theres also the issue of where these materials come from. Plastics are made from oil etc, of which there is only a finite amount. On the subject of drinks. Alcohol (beer) comes in 500ml cans. A regular drink in a plastic bottle is 500ml also. I see no real reason why drinks manufactures can't adapt and swap bottles for large and small cans - other than them having to invest in a change. It'd cost a bit to implement but I'd love to see soft drink refill stations in shops and service stations. Like where you fill your cup yourself at say McDonalds. £1 in, 500ml dispenses into your bottle. Once rolled out it would actually be cheaper for suppliers to buy/sell soda and syrups than bottled drinks.
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Aug 5, 2019 12:31:49 GMT
I think that digital programmes are a fantastic idea. The only issue is that commercial theatres would still want to charge a lot for them which would be a rip off. I was happy to pay for the digital programme for the NT Live screening of Frankenstein that I saw while in New Zealand. If it’s informative and convenient (as it was) I don’t see the issue. Just because it’s digital shouldn’t imply it should be free when there had obviously been considerable time and money invested in producing it. Plus, it is now the ONE programme that I own that isn’t currently in a box in storeage!
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