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Post by showtoones on Jul 3, 2019 5:05:46 GMT
All the YV needs to do is pay Tori and Sarah for their work and give them an additional material by: credit.
It’s not difficult and everyone wins, but by doing so the YV in a sense admits wrongdoing which is probably not something they are prepared to do.
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Post by horton on Jul 3, 2019 6:10:19 GMT
I would be interested in comparing the 2 scripts / drafts to see exactly how different they are.
The Young Vic at present, has failed to offer a coherent and compelling version of the narrative; instead it's a legal defence of the right to behave in an ethically questionable way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 6:11:14 GMT
Bridget Minamore, who did the above interview with Elba and Kwei-Armah, tweeted ... and then retweeted this ... |
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Post by zahidf on Jul 3, 2019 6:25:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 6:42:21 GMT
The thing that gets me is that KKA had a huge amount of support at the start of his writing career to get it off the ground through the NT etc - you'd think he would want to pass that on to other emerging creatives.
I worked in a job a while ago in which I had very glancing experiences with him and he was one of the rare people who was friendly and nice to the lowly serfs so this is very depressing. And the responses from him and the YV are extremely ill-judged in tone.
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Post by partytentdown on Jul 3, 2019 7:23:27 GMT
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Post by MrBunbury on Jul 3, 2019 8:45:30 GMT
The whole thing looks rather depressing and KKA and the YV (a theatre I really love) are really coming out badly. It would be fairly simple to compare the scripts between the old "Tree" and the new "Tree" since there have been workshops with the original work. I find Tori and Sarah' detailed report quite convincing, at least for the point that they should deserve credit. This situation has turned a bit sour my relationship with the Young Vic.
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Post by lynette on Jul 3, 2019 11:42:42 GMT
Judging by comments here and on twitter Kwame’s response hasn’t helped him much.
Two points: 1. Even if a ‘project’ has been rewritten the original creators are credited in some way ( and in theatre of this kind surely would prob be involved along the line) 2. A public discussion would do what exactly? Sounds like the man wants a bloomin’ trial or something like the Tory leader so called debates. Ridiculous. Demeaning and who does he think he is?
I’m thoroughly disgusted. Just seems brutal and a total carve up to me. Is this how it is done?
Well, no more Young Vic for me.
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Post by mrkringas on Jul 3, 2019 12:00:45 GMT
I have no idea what to think of this particular case.
But I do know that the Young Vic is consistently the flagship London theatre of its scale that is grounded in the London I live in.
It goes above and beyond with the local community and young people that other non profits in the area could learn from.
Thats not a space I plan on withdrawing support from anytime soon.
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Post by zahidf on Jul 3, 2019 12:29:45 GMT
I'll see how it develops before deciding. Also if any more stories like this start coming out...
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Post by Fleance on Jul 3, 2019 12:45:14 GMT
I have no idea what to think of this particular case. But I do know that the Young Vic is consistently the flagship London theatre of its scale that is grounded in the London I live in. It goes above and beyond with the local community and young people that other non profits in the area could learn from. Thats not a space I plan on withdrawing support from anytime soon. was a particularly good example of that. But of course, that was the previous administration. And it's still important, no matter what noble enterprises the new Young Vic leaders may be involved in, that they proceed with integrity, |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 3, 2019 14:20:18 GMT
I wonder how this going to pan out
Cancellation of show
Court case
Protests during the performances
Resignation
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jul 3, 2019 14:40:58 GMT
The surprising intervention was the KKA twitter reply, assume it was cleared, usually the opening gambit is a legal précis as released by the Producers to take control of the narrative and stem the rumours and close down the story.
The likelihood is, Idris Elba will either, or be seen to engineer a resolution that pacifies all parties, otherwise the piece he was instrumental in getting off the ground and appears truly proud of will remain tarnished and is most probably why he has not publicly given his opinion so far.
Of the Production itself I am unsure what it exactly is, a play with songs, a musical or some kind of installation piece.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 3, 2019 15:13:32 GMT
It’s been getting quite a bit of adverting on tv in the northwest, not the general MIF advert but a separate ad for this this specific piece. It’s not enticed me to book.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 15:15:49 GMT
I wonder how this going to pan out Cancellation of show Court case Protests during the performances Resignation ? The show will go ahead. Court Case not likely as the girls said they couldn't afford to pursue legal action. Protests? Maybe a few silent protests in the form of boycotts. Resignation? Maybe if there's enough voices in force. Feel like this has the potential to fizzle away, like YV have seemingly already tried to make happen. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jul 3, 2019 15:49:47 GMT
I have no idea what to think of this particular case. But I do know that the Young Vic is consistently the flagship London theatre of its scale that is grounded in the London I live in. It goes above and beyond with the local community and young people that other non profits in the area could learn from. Thats not a space I plan on withdrawing support from anytime soon. was a particularly good example of that. But of course, that was the previous administration. And it's still important, no matter what noble enterprises the new Young Vic leaders may be involved in, that they proceed with integrity, That depends on how you look at it. More than one of Kwame's YV productions, including Suppliant Women, were accused of exploitation because the community participants were expected to work for free for months (often having to cover their own travel expenses) and were not thanked or acknowledged. exeuntmagazine.com/features/community-choruses-exploitative/ |
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Post by ali973 on Jul 3, 2019 15:54:18 GMT
I wonder how this going to pan out Cancellation of show Court case Protests during the performances Resignation ? I think this sounds extreme and none of this is about to happen. It's a dispute that seemed to have gone public. Someone will get paid off and they'll settle. Or not. It does not come across as a crime or transgression great enough to cause an extreme outcome. |
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Post by xanady on Jul 3, 2019 16:53:13 GMT
Crowdfunding for legal costs or some of them ?
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Post by xanady on Jul 3, 2019 17:00:31 GMT
Look what happened with the protests about the Color Purple debacle/disgrace! If enough people rattle cages(figuratively speaking),anything’s possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 17:13:52 GMT
The Suppliant Woman was a particularly good example of that. But of course, that was the previous administration. And it's still important, no matter what noble enterprises the new Young Vic leaders may be involved in, that they proceed with integrity, That depends on how you look at it. More than one of Kwame's YV productions, including Suppliant Women, were accused of exploitation because the community participants were expected to work for free for months (often having to cover their own travel expenses) and were not thanked or acknowledged. exeuntmagazine.com/features/community-choruses-exploitative/Suppliant Women was under David Lan, I think? The controversy around that one related to Ramin Gray (see www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/nov/20/ramin-gray-actors-touring-company-harassment-allegations) Kwame's production with an unpaid community chorus (who from the sound of it would have made a loss travelling to rehearsals) was Twelfth Night. |
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Post by ali973 on Jul 3, 2019 17:48:34 GMT
Look what happened with the Color Purple debacle/disgrace! If enough people rattle cages(figuratively speaking),anything’s possible. These two cases aren't the same. For starters, with Color Purple, there was evidence that proved the star was homophobic, ignorant and who said words that could hurt a community. I don't think the same could be said about this case. It's a dispute over intellectual property and the public aren't privy to any of the facts or timeline of events outside of what both parties have disclosed. TBH, I don't think the two 'original' authors have much of a case. It seems that Tree has taken a completely different route from what originally intended. If I were them I would have opted for a small royalty and a "based on an idea by Tori Allen-Martin and Sarah Henley" credit. TBH I find this entire affair really boring. I'm only posting to be contrarian and because it seems like the topic of the moment. |
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Post by lynette on Jul 3, 2019 17:56:47 GMT
Why would Kwame argue? Surely a credit generously acknowledged and letting them attend events and community stuff would sort it out and all would be good. Should have nipped it in the bud.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 18:04:56 GMT
Look what happened with the Color Purple debacle/disgrace! If enough people rattle cages(figuratively speaking),anything’s possible. These two cases aren't the same. For starters, with Color Purple, there was evidence that proved the star was homophobic, ignorant and who said words that could hurt a community. I don't think the same could be said about this case. It's a dispute over intellectual property and the public aren't privy to any of the facts or timeline of events outside of what both parties have disclosed. TBH, I don't think the two 'original' authors have much of a case. It seems that Tree has taken a completely different route from what originally intended. If I were them I would have opted for a small royalty and a "based on an idea by Tori Allen-Martin and Sarah Henley" credit. TBH I find this entire affair really boring. I'm only posting to be contrarian and because it seems like the topic of the moment. Almost as boring as the final concept, ironically. KKA's self-riotousness is overwhelming here. To me, his vision of the production sounds confused and contradicts the summary on the MIF website. Also makes for a great watch, if you just the first 5 seconds. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 3, 2019 18:11:10 GMT
That video gives the impression of the whole thing being an exercise in theatrical onanism
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Post by david on Jul 3, 2019 18:13:58 GMT
Almost as boring as the final concept, ironically. KKA's self-riotousness is overwhelming here. To me, his vision of the production sounds confused and contradicts the summary on the MIF website. Also makes for a great watch, if you just the first 5 seconds. Well, just watched the video. I’ll go with an open mind on Saturday afternoon when I go and watch it. It will certainly be an interesting afternoon! |
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