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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 2, 2019 18:54:03 GMT
You have come into some money and decide to fulfil an ambition to invest in your greatest love, Theatre. You have £100k to invest. Which concept will get you your money back AND some profit?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 20:06:31 GMT
To answer the post "A new comedy with a Hollywood name as the lead" would by my safest bet for a profitable return. Comedy is probably the easiest sell across the board and a name from Hollywood would probably have an equal or better draw to "All-Star British" or stunt casting. It does depend entirely on how you define "All-star" and "stunt casting". My interpretation of All Star would probably be Hollywood or legendary names, whereas others would (and do) use that term a great deal looser.
In a hypothetical reality - to answer the thread title, rather than the post - I'd actually spend my money on musical development and hope to hit a point of break-even.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 20:26:39 GMT
The cost of musicals makes one, even with a decent run, a risky investment so I'd eliminate those first. A Hollywood star wouldn't want a long contract and replacements are a risk so that one goes as well. Of the suggested options, then, a revival of a highly regarded play with an all star British cast is the obvious option - a number of known domestic names gets in different audiences and a play with a known name is less of a risk than anything new.
Personally, I'd spread that sort of money out among a group of younger theatremakers and, if something succeeds, then great but, if not, then at least you are trying to bring on the next generation.
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Post by showgirl on Jun 3, 2019 4:07:00 GMT
I too would prefer to spread the money and perhaps to theatres whose work I wish to encourage and which appear to lack monied supporters, eg Southwark Playhouse. I know all theatres need more money (and keep asking for it) but some other venues I visit regularly seem to have big-name funding in place and/or more wealthy clientele, or give a less welcoming impression.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 3, 2019 7:23:27 GMT
I'd pay for English Touring Opera to revive their productions of Xerxes & La Clemenza di Tito with casts of my choice. Any left over money I'd spend on private performances of Showstopper & Mischief Movie Night where I'd get to make all the audience suggestions. None of this would make me any money back but it'd give me pleasure!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 8:09:23 GMT
It's two separate questions really, isn't it? How I would invest £100k if I hoped to get my money back is completely different to how I would invest £100k in theatre in a way that I wanted to. (I would absolutely not invest any money in theatre at all if I hoped to get any money back; I don't even pay out for theatre memberships in the hopes of benefiting from perks, and those are much more guaranteed than the possibility of making money from ticket sales.) Also, as I think we've all recently learned, £100k really isn't very much at all when it comes to professionally producing theatre! Honestly, assuming I've got £100k to spare, I would probably just donate to theatre-makers I know personally who are heavily under-represented in the field. I'm not going to make any money back, but I can at least help alleviate the weight on the shoulders of those who are trying to tell stories that we haven't heard a million times before from the same posh crowd who seem to get all the funding as easily as they appear to get everything else in life.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 3, 2019 8:28:26 GMT
Put it into regional theatre, for an outreach team using social media and more user-friendly websites, booking schemes etc. to pull in potential audiences who still find it daunting or feel it's too stuffy / middle class / oldie etc.. Put on and flag up post or pre-show talks, workshops, that sort of thing - something to build bridges with audiences and people who might want to go into the field but haven't a clue where to begin (and not just youngsters btw, at whom all the London entry/access schemes I've seen seem to be advertised!). And improve disability access, which some venues esp. smaller ones, upstairs at pubs and so forth don't even have.
Btw, remember when TV shows used to have a voiceover at the end saying "X is currently appearing at the so and so theatre in whatnot"? That's why I booked my first independent (non school) trip to a theatre with schoolfriends. These days, though, TV stars don't do the "provinces" and the cost of West End theatre, travel and hotels puts star vehicles out of reach of most. Given the way Ian McKellen sold out in seconds and return queues for Maxine Peake shows in Manchester start at dawn, a few more familiar 'marquee' names setting foot outside London would, I think, really help the national theatre scene, especially when they are playing to half-empty houses in London or even closing early, like Foxfinder. NT live - especially at the £22 plus booking fee price tag in my Northern home town - is not a substitute.
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Post by Stephen on Jun 3, 2019 15:46:39 GMT
I would love a new British musical with an incredible cast. Not necessarily any big names but if there are then the right people for the job, not stunt casting.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 3, 2019 16:49:55 GMT
I'd put it into one or possibly two fringe theatre musical tryouts of new material by lesser known composers. Good enough response, make £££ off the transfer that sweeps the world. I was going to say “in yer dreams” but seeing as I’ve imagined the £100k for you in the first place I’ll let it go 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 0:24:36 GMT
I would not put hard earned (and tax paid) money into theatre. Unless you find a story or show that you love and would see multiple times yourself. Burleybear knows great theatre when he sees it. Of the options I would go for a show that has done, at least ok overseas. With a popular young attractive reality star as the lead.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 4, 2019 8:25:54 GMT
I can only echo the above responses. From the poll, the all-star cast revival. Left to my own devices, donate to regional/fringe/education and development. No return, but hopefully helps people and makes me feel virtuous.
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Post by jaqs on Jun 4, 2019 10:18:27 GMT
Cult show done on the cheap with loads and loads of merch.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 4, 2019 10:57:22 GMT
Burleybear knows great theatre when he sees it. No, Burleybear knows great snack food when he eats it... Sod theatre, I’m investing in a new flavour of Monster Munch 😀
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Post by jaqs on Jun 4, 2019 15:00:17 GMT
No, Burleybear knows great snack food when he eats it... Sod theatre, I’m investing in a new flavour of Monster Munch 😀 I'm requesting it is salt and vinegar.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 4, 2019 15:36:21 GMT
Sod theatre, I’m investing in a new flavour of Monster Munch 😀 I'm requesting it is salt and vinegar. I agree. I’ve often thought that Salt n Vinegar was a huge omission from the MM portfolio.
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Post by david on Jun 4, 2019 15:38:09 GMT
Having had a think about this, I would be tempted to invest my money in upgrading the theatre seating to include the ability to allow patrons to give electric shocks to those patrons who are badly behaved during performances. Ok, there is no financial benefit, but at least you get the emotional benefit of being able to watch the performance in peace.
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Post by jaqs on Jun 4, 2019 16:08:55 GMT
I hope the shock renders the subject mute at the same time. So no over dramatic squeals are let out from the shock and the inevitable dropped phone.
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Post by properjob on Jun 4, 2019 16:37:15 GMT
Btw, remember when TV shows used to have a voiceover at the end saying "X is currently appearing at the so and so theatre in whatnot"? That's why I booked my first independent (non school) trip to a theatre with schoolfriends. These days, though, TV stars don't do the "provinces" and the cost of West End theatre, travel and hotels puts star vehicles out of reach of most. Given the way Ian McKellen sold out in seconds and return queues for Maxine Peake shows in Manchester start at dawn, a few more familiar 'marquee' names setting foot outside London would, I think, really help the national theatre scene, especially when they are playing to half-empty houses in London or even closing early, like Foxfinder. NT live - especially at the £22 plus booking fee price tag in my Northern home town - is not a substitute. I wonder if this is something Nottingham Playhouse is trying? It is a bit dodgy extrapolating a trend from two items but they had Mark Gattis in "Madness of King George III" and are about to have Alex Kingston in "An Enemy of the People“
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 4, 2019 16:48:01 GMT
remember when TV shows used to have a voiceover at the end saying "X is currently appearing at the so and so theatre in whatnot"? Yes! It's only in later years I've pondered on that. As the credits rolled at the end of some variety show or something, the voice would suddenly say "Hugh Paddick is currently appearing in Aladdin at the Blackpool Empire" or something. Now it makes me think, all sorts of people must have been appearing in a whole load of things but they only mentioned a few.
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Post by david on Jun 4, 2019 17:18:46 GMT
I hope the shock renders the subject mute at the same time. So no over dramatic squeals are let out from the shock and the inevitable dropped phone. Oh definitely. A short, sharp jolt of electricity to render them unconscious but not enough to fry them. The burn marks would ruin the seating upholstery and leave a smell of rotting flesh in the air.
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Post by lynette on Jun 5, 2019 9:37:40 GMT
Obviously I would invest in better toilet provision. Not much room in the West End but there is room for some imagination in all punter facilities. The Donmar could make the loos gender neutral for a start. So I would have a woman with a clip board go round every theatre and show em where to make changes and then make em do it. Me obviously. With unlimited funds, I would demolish the NT and start again. As the people who try to help hoarders say, if you need to preserve it, take a photograph and keep that.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 5, 2019 13:42:30 GMT
I would demolish the NT and start again. No! I love 70s concrete. There must be plenty of places where they could install more bogs. The Donmar is terrible (no seat rake either) but is going to be restructured soon, according to a thread on this site.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 5, 2019 14:02:34 GMT
I would demolish the NT and start again. No! I love 70s concrete. There must be plenty of places where they could install more bogs. The Donmar is terrible (no seat rake either) but is going to be restructured soon, according to a thread on this site. I'm with you on leaving the NT alone. We can lead the protestors and form a human shield around it when lynette's wrecking crew show up. Good idea though about toilet improvements where possible.
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Post by lynette on Jun 5, 2019 15:14:49 GMT
Ok, ok, I will leave you a 3D mock up you can enjoy. Or you could maybe help me put up signs which state clearly where the entrances are, the exits, the directions of the corridors, move the toilets and triple the number with proper rest areas for patrons to take off their corsets if ness so with seats in the rest rooms and so on... provide proper restaurants, pref several all looking on to the beautiful river view, surely one of the most expensive views in Europe, not at present viewable from inside the building. Provide a proper theatre book shop, with all the audio and dvd and streaming tech of plays from the past, don’t argue, with ample seating inside and outside the building. Then may we have theatres with excellent acoustics, from any seat, perfect mechanics and ultra modern tech with future proofing. At present you cant hear from the side of the Lyttleton and the circle of the Olivier, hence all the miking going on there. Funny how I could hear every word crisp as can be in the Duke of York’s last night. Moveable seating but comfortable with leg room and aids for hearing problems built in etc. If you want a studio theatre, then have one and don’t pretend it is for arrogant directors who want a sold out sign on their shows cos so few seats for what are in fact major productions. Ditto playwrights. Make a car park, taxi, little bus facility to from stations, including the tube, and easy payment techie ie on your bl***y phone. Make the pedestrian ways to the different theatres differentiated and disabled friendly. Make the lifts work. More lifts. Put a garden on the top. Build it with total up the minute and future proofed energy supplies. Put a bee hive on the top. I could go on and I have mixed up the categories but you get my drift. Some of the problems are because they never allowed enough dosh for the place and some because it wasn’t built by theatre people despite one or two actors being involved. Of course Olivier wanted his theatre to be a huge amphitheatre - who wouldn’t ? But it was a serious mistake and self indulgent. I haven’t got the money of course and looks like we never, as a society ever will have the money again to build a National Theatre. Such a shame our one chance was taken by people from the long gone ..and I say that with respect, I do. They were post war in chronology only, not in mind set.
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 5, 2019 16:58:58 GMT
Would someone please remind me never to upset lynette. That ^ is why she's going to be my Secretary of State for Education. Can you imagine the approval ratings? They'll be through the roof!!!
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